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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/19/2011 1:11:07 PM

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...........LaTigresse, you are right about religion controlling people (group singing, all the stand/kneel/sit stuff- all subtle mind control), though this stuff is something I see as worth emulating, it is an effective way to achieve an altered emotional state, which is after all what we seek to achieve....

As a Protestant I don't kneel, but the purpose of group worship is a communion of spirit with God and fellow church members. It's one hour a week to pay attention to spirit rather than the mundane material world (It should be a daily thing if one is trying to be devout). And it should be personal and from within rather than just showy on Sunday (or Friday night, or Saturday night).

I see a parallel between communion of spirit with another sexually, but I don't see organized religion as mind control.

And I am uncomfortable when people deliberately mock religion in a sexual way. But that's MY issue. I'm not going to worry about your mote, I've got my own beam to worry about!!

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/19/2011 1:19:40 PM

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And I am uncomfortable when people deliberately mock religion in a sexual way. But that's MY issue. I'm not going to worry about your mote, I've got my own beam to worry about!!

For some odd reason I find the whole blasphemy thing very offputting, not because I'm religious but it just seems to be disrespectful to people who genuinely believe, if somebody needs to get their rocks off this way by rubbing other people's faces in, I think they are are just doing it for shock value and feel sorry for them. Nothing against the kink itself, but also no need to super flaunt it and try to wind others up, same thing as being "out" by involving nonconsensual vanilla folks in your kink by forcing them to witness it. A bit of respect seems to go a long way.

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/19/2011 1:24:05 PM

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I only mind it as much as I mind people flaunting their religioun in my face. Which, I am going to guess, is why the reverse gets done.

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/19/2011 1:26:46 PM

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I actually enjoy discussions about religion, as long as they don't try to convert me to their religion, then I friendly ask them to stop, if they don't I tend to be really angry and start poking holes into their religion.

But the whole stuff some do with flaunting sexual blasphemy around, it just makes me uncomfy and squids me out as much as scat.

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/19/2011 1:29:49 PM

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Religion & Scat make me uncomfortable too.

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/19/2011 1:31:34 PM

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well again doesn't that come down to 'if it offends you don't look at it'? it's just the same as any other area of sexuality so no need to be prissy about it. let's face it, most really religeous people are going to think having anything to do with a site like this is way off base. they don't have to be here though just as anyone not interested in scat shouldn't go into an area where it's rather graphic just to say they are offended.

i found some of the images in the first link rather too much and i'm not religeous, but then i was warned before i looked at what the content could be.

just because it's one person's belief doesn't mean that someone else is being disrespectfull to them or their religion. all it means is that the other person sees things in a different light that doesn't suit the first. if the first is offended it's not the other person's fault.

it's not anyone's sticking jesus where the sun don't shine.

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/19/2011 1:34:06 PM

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I don't like much of anything that is blatantly, anything, to be honest. I appreciate subtle nuances of sexuality instead of dick/vagina, in your face. That is just me and my thing.

I also prefer people to be more private about their religious beliefs, or if we are discussing, they avoid the pulpit and attempts at conversion. Or the worst, the condescending attitude conversation, because they feel they are better human beings because of their religioun. Of course that can also be said for many atheists too.

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/19/2011 1:34:20 PM

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I'm in total agreement, LadyC! (post #22)

To me it's sort of a rebellion thing. I'm not going out of my way to convert people. Why does anyone deliberately try to provoke indignation in others who believe? Why the loud protest?

Disclaimer - Everyone is entitled to their indignation, contempt, scorn for organized religion, especially in light of the atrocities people commit on one another in the name of religion.

But I don't spit in non-believers' eyes, please accord me the same respect.

ETA: (post #22) I wanted to be clear about what I was agreeing with.

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/19/2011 1:34:57 PM

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it's not anyone's sticking jesus where the sun don't shine.

needles

Linda Blair did.

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/19/2011 1:39:19 PM

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it's not anyone's sticking jesus where the sun don't shine.

needles

An assortment of religious dildoes for sale, including a crucifix:

http://www.blowfish.com/catalog/toys/symbolic_dildos.html

Buddha, a nun, grim reaper, etc...

ETA: To me, these are JUST dildoes, y'know? I especially like the "diving nun's" suction cup attachment. I can understand that others would be horrified to shove Buddah up one's ass / vagina, but sometimes a dildo is just a dildo.

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/19/2011 1:43:32 PM

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I'm in total agreement, LadyC!

To me it's sort of a rebellion thing. I'm not going out of my way to convert people. Why does anyone deliberately try to provoke indignation in others who believe? Why the loud protest?

Disclaimer - Everyone is entitled to their indignation, contempt, scorn for organized religion, especially in light of the atrocities people commit on one another in the name of religion.

But I don't spit in non-believers' eyes, please accord me the same respect.

seriously hlen5, don't tell other people what they should or shouldn't do just because it offends you. if you don't like it just don't look and move on. it's the same for any of us that are uncomfortable with any form of anything. just because it's religion doesn't mean it's out of bounds and not be here incase it offends you or anyone else.

so instead of derailing what could be a good thread just move on to something that suits you better the same as i would do with a scat thread.

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/19/2011 1:44:00 PM

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it's not anyone's sticking jesus where the sun don't shine.

It doesn't offend me, as I said, I'm not religious, but like certain forms of play, I prefer not to see it because the people who indulge in it openly are simply lacking respect for the beliefs of others - often they are the ones who scream loudest that their beliefs should be respected. Funny how that pans out...

Well, some people get turned on by what other people consider violating their religious symbols, nobody complains if they do it privately, if they need to show how "daring" they are by rubbing other people's faces in it, I feel sorry for them, they seem to need attention that badly, that's basically it. Same as scat, not offended by it, just don't want to see or smell it.

Where people stick what really doesn't bother me, as long as they don't really wave in my face.

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/19/2011 1:45:45 PM

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quote:

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<snipped>
it's not anyone's sticking jesus where the sun don't shine.

needles

An assortment of religious dildoes for sale, including a crucifix:

http://www.blowfish.com/catalog/toys/symbolic_dildos.html

Buddha, a nun, grim reaper, etc...

ETA: To me, these are JUST dildoes, y'know? I especially like the "diving nun's" suction cup attachment. I can understand that others would be horrified to shove Buddah up one's ass / vagina, but sometimes a dildo is just a dildo.

well know i stand corrected, or maybe that should be kneel

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/19/2011 1:50:29 PM

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I'm in total agreement, LadyC!

To me it's sort of a rebellion thing. I'm not going out of my way to convert people. Why does anyone deliberately try to provoke indignation in others who believe? Why the loud protest?

Disclaimer - Everyone is entitled to their indignation, contempt, scorn for organized religion, especially in light of the atrocities people commit on one another in the name of religion.

But I don't spit in non-believers' eyes, please accord me the same respect.

seriously hlen5, don't tell other people what they should or shouldn't do just because it offends you. if you don't like it just don't look and move on. it's the same for any of us that are uncomfortable with any form of anything. just because it's religion doesn't mean it's out of bounds and not be here incase it offends you or anyone else.

so instead of derailing what could be a good thread just move on to something that suits you better the same as i would do with a scat thread.

needles

I'm within the topic, I have not told ANYONE how to act or be. My opinion is as valid as yours. In each of my posts I have stated everyone is entitled to their own opinion (see the disclaimer, see the mote vs beam quote). I have treated everyone's opinion with respect. I have not said it's wrong to do or say anything.

I went to the link of provocative photos. You didn't hear me raining fire and brimstone on those, did you?

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/19/2011 1:55:02 PM

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it's not anyone's sticking jesus where the sun don't shine.

It doesn't offend me, as I said, I'm not religious, but like certain forms of play, I prefer not to see it because the people who indulge in it openly are simply lacking respect for the beliefs of others - often they are the ones who scream loudest that their beliefs should be respected. Funny how that pans out...

Well, some people get turned on by what other people consider violating their religious symbols, nobody complains if they do it privately, if they need to show how "daring" they are by rubbing other people's faces in it, I feel sorry for them, they seem to need attention that badly, that's basically it. Same as scat, not offended by it, just don't want to see or smell it.

Where people stick what really doesn't bother me, as long as they don't really wave in my face.

maybe there are some who are deliberately trying to wind up others. but the way i see it is like this; daddy Dom and little girl arn't trying to offend those who have been abused. people hold vicar and tart parties all the time and it's nothing to do with offending people.

this site has something for everyone and so if a thread comes up that is going to offend, or make people feel creeped out they should stay away from it. it's just kink.

my stuff isn't about trying to offend, it's about me worshiping a very kinky man in a bdsm way that just happens to have an imagery slant that happens to also have a religeous side too. i'm not waving it in anyone's face or forcing anyone to to view it.

we all know that we could enter any thread on the site and feel not right about it, so all that is to be done is click out of it again.

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/19/2011 2:02:33 PM

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My opinion depends on what you're doing.

If it's all herp derp look my dildo is shaped like Jesus then I'll just roll my eyes and call you a twat. But to me there is so much beauty and elegance in Catholic ritual that it seems so easy to sexualize some of it. If it's just something that turns you on, like crucifiction, or being laid out on an altar, or something, and the intent is to just do something you enjoy, rather than to deliberately mock religion, then I understand it.

There's also the potential for incredible sexual tension in a space known for being chaste and sanctified.

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/20/2011 12:01:53 AM

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But anyway, the subject of religious imagery, sexual fantasies based upon religion, what do you think, wholesome or blasphemous ?

Neither. Edgy?

Here's photographer Alan Pedroso's nun series. Warning - the adult disclaimer is in effect for a reason.

http://scoptophilia.blogspot.com/2010/11/alan-pedroso-nun-sense.html?zx=b8b70d2e50297820

Whew... some of that stuff is pretty "arty"... but, I do really really dig the "sexy nun" thing.

I think there must be a bazillion different motivations for this kind of kink, here are the first three I can think of..

- It's a little taboo
- It's about reclaiming sex from a religious orthodoxy that sought to make it wrong
- Hot nuns just give me the horn.

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/20/2011 5:04:09 AM

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the only good one is the gagged nun under the crucifix.

the first few look like stereotypical porn with costumes, the praying one would have been good but the mouse traps on her breasts don't match, the miscarriage and pregnancy ones are ok concepts with poor execution.

but the gagged nun under the crucifix is perfect.

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/20/2011 6:13:49 AM

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the only good one is the gagged nun under the crucifix.

The symbolism is actually quite appropriate given Benedict's tendency to bear down on nuns. See Double Crossed: Uncovering the Catholic Church’s Betrayal of American Nuns by Briggs.

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RE: Religious Imagery and Bdsm ? - 7/20/2011 6:18:38 AM

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rawtape, FYI Imperatrixx simply copy/pasted a comment from the blog post with the photos of the nuns etc

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