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imperatrixx -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/25/2011 3:23:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Clearly, Obama was telling "The Racists" was that he wished he were dictator

That it would be so much easier that way, on many levels

And that were he dictator he would swing the border gates wide open

Later in the speech Obama read words off his teleprompter urging  "The Racists" to rise up:

quote:

"I need you to keep building a movement for change outside of Washington, one they can't stop, one that's greater than this community," Obama told them.




not sure if troll or republican.




Owner59 -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/25/2011 8:07:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

a term often mistakenly translated into english as meaning "the race", the true meaning of la raza is much closer to "the people". this term cannot be properly defined in english by a simple one word answer due to language differences. i will explain the definition, but first:

other definitions on this site claim that la raza is a racist organization. they are refferring to a group that calls itself "national council of la raza", which they believe is a racist organization; and the people who typed those definitions mistakenly called the group la raza for short, either not knowing that la raza was actually a seperate term, or not knowing the true meaning of the term "la raza".

the term originated in the book "La Raza Cosmica" written by José Vasconcelos, a Mexican intellectual (1881-1959). He described la raza cosmica as the product of racial mixing over time that was already in progress (black, white, asian, native american, all becoming racially and culturally mixed due to the events of time, for example the conquest of mexico resulted in mixing of the blood and culture of the natives and the spaniards). He believed that eventually all of the races would be completely mixed into a new race that had the best attributes of all the cultures and would "show us the way" so to speak.

the term caught on as simply "la raza" and has come to refer to the people of mexican ancestry(mexican as in from mexico, not specifically the native mexica tribe)wherever they may live a...


Don't talk as if you are an intellectual, specifically when you are against them by ideology. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBTq9wz1bSw&feature=related Aiyee!!!! Vato!!!!

More bigoty-trolling tis all.El asno de caballo has done this race-baiting fear-tactic bullshit before.

He says this like he`s making a charge or accusation.Roarrr!....lol

When has President Obama (or anyone) ever hid their association with La Rasa.

No one has.





TheHeretic -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/25/2011 8:08:01 PM)

That, "do it myself" thing has been popping up a bit lately.  President Obama remarked the other day on how much more time he'd have to spend with his daughters if it weren't for the rules of our democracy.

Of course, his reasoning on why he can't do that would be a lot more comforting, if he hadn't said one thing, and then done the opposite as many times as he had.




Owner59 -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/25/2011 8:19:22 PM)

http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/001799/

shrub and Mcgramps has addressed the group multiple times and shrub thanks them for help after Katrina.

What the race obsessed white conservatives fear most about La Raza is that they are organized and fighting their anti-American agenda,effectively.

They are also the largest Hispanic civil rights organization,which erks cons too.Cons are jealous and envy folks who come together and work together well.

Why cons are antithetical and belligerent to them are the same reasons why they are hostile to the NAACP or ACORN.They are empowering people who aren`t conservative.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/25/2011 9:08:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: imperatrixx


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Clearly, Obama was telling "The Racists" was that he wished he were dictator

That it would be so much easier that way, on many levels

And that were he dictator he would swing the border gates wide open

Later in the speech Obama read words off his teleprompter urging  "The Racists" to rise up:

quote:

"I need you to keep building a movement for change outside of Washington, one they can't stop, one that's greater than this community," Obama told them.




not sure if troll or republican.


Both. There's not a single poster here who takes a single thing he says seriously, with the possible exception of himself, and frankly I often wonder about that, too. He's at least good for an occasional laugh, though!




popeye1250 -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/26/2011 12:24:05 AM)

Wow, so Il Duce thinks he can sleep with the dogs and he'll be re-elected?
He wasn't even a very good lawyer was he?




DarkSteven -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/26/2011 1:45:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

Clearly, Obama was telling "The Racists" was that he wished he were dictator

That it would be so much easier that way, on many levels

And that were he dictator he would swing the border gates wide open

Later in the speech Obama read words off his teleprompter urging  "The Racists" to rise up:

quote:

"I need you to keep building a movement for change outside of Washington, one they can't stop, one that's greater than this community," Obama told them.




Uh.... racial cohesion is nothing new.  As long as it is done defensively, to prevent being hated upon rather than offensively, to hate upon others, I'm down with it.

The term La Raza being equivalent to The People, as opposed to The Race, was explained by Ron and I just verified that intent via Google.  It's equivalent to the use of "Dine" by the Navajo and "Israel" by us Jews.

Your claim is that Obama is attempting to incite them to a violent uprising?  Because as long as he's asking them to become active by nonviolent means, well, that's part of what makes this country great - the fact that each of us has the right to lawful political power.

I'm sure that you are NOT advocating for a country where freedom is curtailed. Right?




imperatrixx -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/26/2011 1:56:51 AM)

Yeah Obama's all like, bro, I sympathize, but this is democracy not dictatorship, so I can't just force something. Y'all should organize politically to bring your concerns to politicians. And Sanity's all like, oh no he didn't, trying to encourage citizens to support his political goals is totally one step away from a straight up coup d'etat.




Sanity -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/26/2011 5:50:15 AM)


Not quite Steven

Just imagine

Were there political groups such as "The White Panthers" or "The (Causacion) Race", Homeland Security would be kicking their doors in

And no president would dare to address their rallys either, and rightly so








Sanity -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/26/2011 5:53:42 AM)


Nice to see that youre still the angry  far left partisan youve always been panda

Welcome back, from your little vacation! [:)]

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

Both. There's not a single poster here who takes a single thing he says seriously, with the possible exception of himself, and frankly I often wonder about that, too. He's at least good for an occasional laugh, though!





Sanity -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/26/2011 6:18:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: imperatrixx

Yeah Obama's all like, bro, I sympathize, but this is democracy not dictatorship, so I can't just force something. Y'all should organize politically to bring your concerns to politicians. And Sanity's all like, oh no he didn't, trying to encourage citizens to support his political goals is totally one step away from a straight up coup d'etat.


These are Obamas actual quotes:

quote:

"The idea of doing things on my own is very tempting. I promise you, not just on immigration reform. But that's not how our system works. That's not how our democracy functions. That's not how our Constitution is written," Obama said at the National Council of La Raza's annual conference.

"Let's be honest, I need a dance partner here, and the floor is empty," he added, referring to the need for bipartisan congressional support to pass an immigration reform measure.
Members of the audience responded by chanting, "Yes you can, yes you can."

"I need you to keep building a movement for change outside of Washington, one they can't stop, one that's greater than this community," Obama told them.


I agree that its open to interpretation

But he seems to be openly wishing he didnt have to deal with our Republic system of governance and he is telling The Racists to rise up

Riot, protest, make trouble




imperatrixx -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/26/2011 6:39:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

I agree that its open to interpretation

But he seems to be openly wishing he didnt have to deal with our Republic system of governance and he is telling The Racists to rise up

Riot, protest, make trouble



I took it as meaning that he understood that Hispanic voters were upset that he wasn't able to give them what he promised in his campaign, and that if he were able to just do what he wanted he would have kept those promises, but since he can't, he needs more voters to be active in politics - voting, community organizing, etc. to slowly change the laws instead of just expecting him to go to the White House and fix everything.

Strangely enough, all of the people interviewed in the article you linked had the same interpretation as me.

I'm not sure why you think 'rise up' means riot or make trouble. It's a pretty common phrase. I mean, if you were to read this blog post, where the author encourages conservatives to "rise up and fight" for austerity, would you assume that he was encouraging them to start rioting in the streets, or to get involved politically? And that one even says "rise up and fight" but anyone reading it would realize it was rhetorical speech.

I'm also confused why you put "protest" in the same category as rioting or making trouble. I fully support any group's right to hold peaceful protests, and you know, I might not agree with the message of those groups, but it's a fundamental American right. A "protest" is just what the opposing side calls a "rally" really. I can't see why you'd be upset with groups protesting immigration policy...we've had tea party protests and anti-Iraq war protests and as far as I know none of those ever led to the national guard being called in to stop the rioters.





DarkSteven -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/26/2011 7:25:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Not quite Steven

Just imagine

Were there political groups such as "The White Panthers" or "The (Causacion) Race", Homeland Security would be kicking their doors in

And no president would dare to address their rallys either, and rightly so



The Black Panthers had FBI informants embedded.  I'm not sure whether they had more or less than the Aryan Nations does nowadays.  Note that no President has addressed either the Panthers or AN.

As I said in my previous post, the term La Raza was explained by Ron and backed by Google, to mean "the people".  We Jews use the term "Israel" to refer to the collective of Jews and nobody objects to that.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/26/2011 9:26:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Nice to see that youre still the angry  far left partisan youve always been panda

Welcome back, from your little vacation! [:)]




It doesn't have much to do with my political affiliation, it has to do with the fact that I personally despise you. And before you start your usual whining about "personal attacks," I want to point out that that wasn't one. It was simply a statement of fact. I'm not calling you a name, or casting aspersions on your character - I simply dislike you, intensely. Last time I checked, that's allowed.

And just for the record, I don't take vacations. I browse through here several times a week. I don't usually post anymore, because you and a few others have turned it into a forum where it's pretty hard to find a discussion worth participating in, but I'm often here, and you never know when I'll jump in. So I'll be seeing you around.




Moonhead -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/26/2011 12:42:15 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Not quite Steven

Just imagine

Were there political groups such as "The White Panthers" or "The (Causacion) Race", Homeland Security would be kicking their doors in

And no president would dare to address their rallys either, and rightly so


There was a White Panther party. John Sinclair and Mick Farren were both members.
Less of them got locked up than the Black Panthers, for some reason, though I think Sinclair got busted on a drugs charge in the early '70s.




rulemylife -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/26/2011 1:52:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Thats literally what they call themselves, "The Race"

Which is akin to what the Nazis believed, that their Aryan race was "The Race"

But leave it to leftists to cozy up to such scum, just for a few votes

Hey, but at least Obama is lying to them, as he takes their money and accepts their votes then turns his back on them

You might say Obama and LaRaza deserve each other



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quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

You know Sanity, I've tried really hard to give you the benefit of doubt, but your constant claims about Obama's racism only leads to one conclusion about where the real racism is.




You are truly starting to lose it.




Moonhead -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/26/2011 1:53:11 PM)

Starting?




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/26/2011 2:01:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Starting?


Yeah, no shit! That's like saying the ocean is starting to feel a little wet.




popeye1250 -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/26/2011 2:02:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Not quite Steven

Just imagine

Were there political groups such as "The White Panthers" or "The (Causacion) Race", Homeland Security would be kicking their doors in

And no president would dare to address their rallys either, and rightly so



The Black Panthers had FBI informants embedded.  I'm not sure whether they had more or less than the Aryan Nations does nowadays.  Note that no President has addressed either the Panthers or AN.

As I said in my previous post, the term La Raza was explained by Ron and backed by Google, to mean "the people".  We Jews use the term "Israel" to refer to the collective of Jews and nobody objects to that.




Steven, where did that saying, "For the race everything" come from?




mnottertail -> RE: Obama Schmoozing With LaRaza (7/26/2011 2:05:26 PM)

a drooling conservative blog.  




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