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Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 4:39:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		We have DirecTV and a DVR that we pay for every month. When our DVR is close to being full, we've always used a DVD recorder to record movies on blank disks for personal use. Then we deleted the recorded movies from the DVR to free up space. DirecTV knows we've done this and has never had a problem with it. A short time ago, my DVD recorder stopped working (it was old) so I bought a new one. When we couldn't get the new DVD recorder to work, I called their customer service line. The phone rep told me the DVD player won't record copywrited material. I said that was irrelevant because I'm not trying to copy copywrited disks. Then she told me movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited. Since when? Nobody, including my satellite provider has ever told me that. Is there some new law I don't know about or did I reach someone who didn't know what she was talking about?

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 4:41:55 PM   
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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 4:46:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		It has always been copywrited material. You just have a newer version of a DVR that protects them better.

http://www.dishnetwork.com/faq/copy_protection/

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 5:52:39 PM   
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We have DirecTV and a DVR that we pay for every month. When our DVR is close to being full, we've always used a DVD recorder to record movies on blank disks for personal use. Then we deleted the recorded movies from the DVR to free up space. DirecTV knows we've done this and has never had a problem with it. A short time ago, my DVD recorder stopped working (it was old) so I bought a new one. When we couldn't get the new DVD recorder to work, I called their customer service line. The phone rep told me the DVD player won't record copywrited material. I said that was irrelevant because I'm not trying to copy copywrited disks. Then she told me movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited. Since when? Nobody, including my satellite provider has ever told me that. Is there some new law I don't know about or did I reach someone who didn't know what she was talking about?


I guess you just skipped past the FBI warnings on every disk.

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 6:09:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		When were the movies not copyrighted?

Older DVR recorders were lack on the rules.  Newer ones not so much.

How are you trying to record them?  You should be able to make it work going from the analog outs to analog ins on the recorder.


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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 6:12:53 PM   
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Then she told me movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited. Since when?
sweet mary's bloody underpants! you've got to be fucking kidding me, please say you're kidding. please?

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 6:18:13 PM   
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Then she told me movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited. Since when?
sweet mary's bloody underpants! you've got to be fucking kidding me, please say you're kidding. please?


Somedays just what you write is worth the cost of admission... or a decent reason for getting up in the morning. I saw my M today so this wasn't one of them but it's a pretty good reason just the same.

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 6:23:59 PM   
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I guess you just skipped past the FBI warnings on every disk.


Hell, I've watched movies where the FBI warning was the best part of the film.


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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 6:27:11 PM   
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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 6:28:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Who owns the DVR?   I don't know the answer so i am asking as i have BASIC cable lol no box no nothing.


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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 6:32:08 PM   
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Who owns the DVR?   I don't know the answer so i am asking as i have BASIC cable lol no box no nothing.

Perhaps we could go back even further and ask what is a DVR? Is it anything like a VCR? I still use VHS. I only moved from a top loading wax cylinder! Now I have a state of the art VCR with Hi-Fi stereo sound no less!!! BTW to an old luddite like moi discs should only be used to listen to music!

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 6:32:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		uumm...ALL movies are copyrighted whether they're on disks or on a dvr. What medium theyr'e saved on doesn't somehow miraculously make that different. Why would it? I mean really......

Is it just me or do the questions here lately seem to be beyond the line of simplicity?


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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 6:43:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Umm no, i don't want to go back farther. 

It's a question -- who owns the DVR?  Does the customer just rent it and need to return same when they "leave" the company.  Or does the customer actually BUY the DVR when they first get it and then what they are paying for is the service of having movies provided in a renting type aspect or are they actually buying the movies from the company and having them downloaded to a device they own like itunes does - i.e. any movie i download to itunes, i can move to an ipod, a dvd, a phone etc -- its simply moving venues up it is maintained on the initial download?

Actually it does make a difference, if they are purchasing the movie from the company and being allowed to download it to the DVR, it is like downloading a movie.  You can in fact download movies you buy onto DVDs.  You can take the movie and download it to your phone etc.

That is why i am asking who owns the DVR.

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 6:44:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

We have DirecTV and a DVR that we pay for every month. When our DVR is close to being full, we've always used a DVD recorder to record movies on blank disks for personal use. Then we deleted the recorded movies from the DVR to free up space. DirecTV knows we've done this and has never had a problem with it. A short time ago, my DVD recorder stopped working (it was old) so I bought a new one. When we couldn't get the new DVD recorder to work, I called their customer service line. The phone rep told me the DVD player won't record copywrited material. I said that was irrelevant because I'm not trying to copy copywrited disks. Then she told me movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited. Since when? Nobody, including my satellite provider has ever told me that. Is there some new law I don't know about or did I reach someone who didn't know what she was talking about?


I have a TV tuner on my computer and with windows media center I can easily set it to record shows or movies.  I can then burn them to a dvd - most of the time.  Now and again I will not be able to burn something because it is has a copy-write (often primetime tv shows.)  If your other device was older it more then likely was not equipped to handle the upgraded technology so you never had to worry about it.  To my knowledge pretty much all the shows technically are (its why we have to pay for tv service since they pay for everytime something airs) but up until recently its been easy to get around if you wanted to - knowingly or unknowingly.

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 6:57:15 PM   
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Umm no, i don't want to go back farther. 

It's a question -- who owns the DVR?  Does the customer just rent it and need to return same when they "leave" the company. 

It was just a joke about going back further. I think DirecTV uses a lease system for their DVR's like other satellite TV providers but others would know more since they live in the relevant region for the service.

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 7:00:45 PM   
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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 7:01:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel
Umm no, i don't want to go back farther. 

It's a question -- who owns the DVR?  Does the customer just rent it and need to return same when they "leave" the company. 

It was just a joke about going back further. I think DirecTV uses a lease system for their DVR's like other satellite TV providers but others would know more since they live in the relevant region for the service.


You can either buy or lease DVRs for DirecTV, but it is irrelevant to the copyright. Regardless of the technology you have fair use of any content youve purchased, which includes copying for personal viewing. You do not have the right to copy and distribute. If the DVD is encoded to prevent copying it is illegal to sell software to circumvent the encoding, even if it is intended for fair use only.

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 7:04:52 PM   
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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 7:04:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		willbeyourdaddy, if you are technically RENTING the movies that are simply viewed on the DVR, you don't actually own the original to copy. 

You are only allowed to copy something if you own the original.  Otherwise it is pirating.  If you are downloading to DVD a movie you don't own an original -- i.e., that you bought, you are in fact copying and distributing to yorself a movie.  It's the same thing as downloading a rented movie and giving it to your friend.

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 7:07:30 PM   
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