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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/2/2011 1:12:46 PM

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As inequality in the US grows, the ultra-rich are pouring their spare cash not just into private jets, but into private security. Think there's a connection?

Umm, not really imo. John Lennon didnt have enough security, he thought he could walk down the street like everyone else does.

But it doesnt really matter if you have millions or are one paycheck from homeless, you run into the wrong person at the wrong time and you could wind up just as dead (especially since nearly anyone can get a gun in the US- are they still sold at Walmart?).

It is a violent, fuck-you-I'm-gonna-do-what-I-want society in the US no matter who you are, you could become a statistic.. But then you could be in a car accident too hit by a drunk driver.. Most people take precautions, they wear their seat belt, they get alarm systems installed, just if they have $$$, they can afford a little more & better security than most.

However, you still do not have to be rich (just middle class) to buy into a gated guarded community where the crime rate is lower, less pedophiles, etc...

Are you saying that cuz you arent uber rich that you dont think at times about violence and your own safety?

That is a great post TJ but I disagree with you about it being a problem to go into a Walmart and buy a gun. (K-mart used to in Little Rock and so did certain gas stations.) In order to buy a gun you have to present valid ID, have a back ground check and have a 3 day waiting period. Some states require more. I don't think it matters where you buy a gun. It is a freedom that we enjoy. You cannot legislate away aberrant behavior. People are going to commit crimes and that is the ugly part of living in a free society. I hate to bring this up because I don't want to hijack this thread but isn't abortion an ugly freedom? Isn't the ability to drive around with a fake pair of testicles hanging from the trailer hitch of your souped up pick up truck and ugly freedom? I would rather live free in a dangerous world than whatever the alternative is.

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/2/2011 1:17:42 PM

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What?????? What the hell are you talking about???? How has Bill Gates screwed you? How has Sam Walton screwed you? How has the cardio-vascular surgeon screwed you? How has the corporate tax attorney screwed you? How did Henry Ford or any of his progeny screw you? How did the Colgate family screw you? How did the Ottis family of Ottis Elevator fame.....screw you? How did the inventor of the Pet Rock or J.K. Rowling screw you?

THIS!

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/2/2011 1:29:38 PM

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That is a great post TJ but I disagree with you about it being a problem to go into a Walmart and buy a gun. (K-mart used to in Little Rock and so did certain gas stations.) In order to buy a gun you have to present valid ID, have a back ground check and have a 3 day waiting period. Some states require more. I don't think it matters where you buy a gun. It is a freedom that we enjoy. You cannot legislate away aberrant behavior. People are going to commit crimes and that is the ugly part of living in a free society. I hate to bring this up because I don't want to hijack this thread but isn't abortion an ugly freedom? Isn't the ability to drive around with a fake pair of testicles hanging from the trailer hitch of your souped up pick up truck and ugly freedom? I would rather live free in a dangerous world than whatever the alternative is.

Sure, you have to jump thru a few hoops, no big deal for someone that wants one. Or they can steal/borrow one or buy one on the black market. It is a lot easier in the US than someplace like Canada (still possible there too, of course). But the society there is a bit different as well which has an effect of a lower crime rate (& not very many gated guarded communities).

Sure, there will always be crime. And I am not suggesting to legislate anything actually. I just dont think that the fear of violence is only a concern for the rich. I think about it at times and I am not rich (not yet anyway). And should I become rich, I might invest a couple of bucks on more safety, security, etc cuz then I will have a couple of extra bucks to do so.

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/2/2011 3:29:19 PM

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Any wealthy person that is stupid enough to pay the better part of a quarter Mil for a dog wont be rich for long.

Exactly, Hill!!! Probably, in addition to being a guard dog, the dog has been trained to drive him home when he's had too much to drink.

Oh...coming from someone who has a male German shepherd, it isn't about teaching the dog to attack....it is all about teaching the dog who NOT to attack.

You don't really have to teach shepherds to guard. Just make sure you show them lots of love and the rest comes naturally.

You don't have to teach MOST dogs to be protective. My dog is a big baby, loves just about everyone and I wouldn't have thought he was the least bit protective. However, the other day - a woman came up to my car and started yelling at me, shaking her finger at me and ranting. My dog went from wagging his tail and all sweet and loveable Axel - to hair raised, teeth bared and growling, back the fuck away from the car Axel. I've NEVER seen him act that way around anyone. I didn't have to pay a dime to get him :)

I think spending 230,000 for anything that is going to grow old, die or otherwise inevitably depreciate in value is stupid - but, I'd LOVE the opportunity to be that stupid.

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/2/2011 4:02:18 PM

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I think spending 230,000 for anything that is going to grow old, die or otherwise inevitably depreciate in value is stupid

I dunno..if my partner's life depended on it I think I'd spend that much even though he will eventually grow old and die....as for depreciate in value..montarily yeah probably lol...emotionally...he'd only gain in such.

So just how good is this dog at guarding? Worth 230,000? I dunno. Does the dog come from a purebred line of guard dogs? Is he from teh very first breed? Is he the best of the best of the best guard dogs in the world? Could be worth it if the person is in dire need of such protection and his life truly does depend on it.

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/2/2011 4:12:50 PM

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I think spending 230,000 for anything that is going to grow old, die or otherwise inevitably depreciate in value is stupid

I dunno..if my partner's life depended on it I think I'd spend that much even though he will eventually grow old and die....as for depreciate in value..montarily yeah probably lol...emotionally...he'd only gain in such.

So just how good is this dog at guarding? Worth 230,000? I dunno. Does the dog come from a purebred line of guard dogs? Is he from teh very first breed? Is he the best of the best of the best guard dogs in the world? Could be worth it if the person is in dire need of such protection and his life truly does depend on it.

Well, ok maybe there are a few old dogs worth spending the money on - but they'd have to be a very rare breed!

Seriously though, after I posted that, I almost edited to add that if the dog's puppies can bring in 230,000 each then it isn't such a stupid expense. After all, if there's one dumbass out there willing to pay 230,000 for a dog, there's bound to be others.

I don't have 230,000 to spend on my dog, but I'd spend my last dime if he was hurt and injured and my last dime would get him better. Hopefully that never happens.

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/2/2011 4:23:12 PM

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I think a fool and his money are easily parted

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/2/2011 4:46:41 PM

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They might nick his dog as well if it costs that much...

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/3/2011 6:02:52 AM

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That is a great post TJ but I disagree with you about it being a problem to go into a Walmart and buy a gun. (K-mart used to in Little Rock and so did certain gas stations.) In order to buy a gun you have to present valid ID, have a back ground check and have a 3 day waiting period. Some states require more.

No waiting period here in Georgia.

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/3/2011 6:38:51 AM

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FR...Wow I need to get back in the business, when I was breeding and training the most I ever got was 20 k for a well trained dog but rest assured that old uncle got a big slice of the pie..B

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/3/2011 7:14:05 AM

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/3/2011 7:32:28 AM

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Good one Sanity.

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/3/2011 7:38:41 AM

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After all, if there's one dumbass out there willing to pay 230,000 for a dog, there's bound to be others.

The guy who sold the dog has carved himself out a nice niche with the wealthy. He has his marketing spiel down. The only suitable shepherds for the work are a specific line that can only be bought from Europe. There are no suitable American dogs.

He is also playing on his previous work training dogs for the Navy SEALS (specifically Team 6) and British Special Forces.

You have to give him his props for marketing and salesmanship.

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/3/2011 11:08:53 AM

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Ah yes, one of my favourite subjects. German Shepherd dogs.

Two things......bloodlines really are important. In my immediate family there are 4 'purebred' GSDs. Two are from this kennel's

http://rockymountaingsd.homestead.com/index.html bloodlines, and two are not. The two that are, amazingly wonderful dogs. The breeding shows both in physical appearance and temperament. Also in health.

As for training. Yes, GSDs are naturally protective and easy to train for basic obedience. They simply live to please their people. Yet, some can be quite alpha and will take over leadership duties if their people won't. I know Nala likes to test quite often. As does her father.

Training a dog for Schutzhund is a very different thing. A personal guard dog will have had many many hours of Schutzhund training. It is not something just anyone that likes to believe they are a dog trainer can do. Certainly not at the level of the dogs the OP is discussing. I know I would never attempt it and I have been working with dogs most of my life.

I was going to get Nala involved in Schutzhund training, as it involves a lot more than guard dog training, but the time commitment involved is something I just cannot do. A shame really because she has the perfect temperament and build for it.

As for imported GSDs versus those that come from a long line of American bloodlines. One big difference is quite often their physical structure. Nala is of German and Polish bloodlines and is a big, heavily built dog. Many American bloodlines are finer built and not as sturdy. If you are training a dog to be a personal protection dog, a more stout dog is desired.

As for the price tag......considering that the dog has tremendous breeding potential and can give the owner a solid return on his investment along with protection for his family....not really all that bad.

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/3/2011 11:22:16 AM

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Father of a friend in Germany had one of them, he's a cop and they adopted his retired police dog (they all have to have Schutzhund training), lovely dog, the only problem was that if you went to the bathroom on your own and the dog was roaming the house, he pinned you against the wall and you waited until a member of the family told him to let you go, if you really really need to pee, it's not a good thing...

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/3/2011 11:56:24 AM

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So a pricey dog cant be trazed? hmm

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/3/2011 12:42:17 PM

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So a pricey dog cant be trazed? hmm

Tasers are illegal here, and you know that it would be quite rude to taser the dog of friends in their own house, personally if you would just attempt to do it with one of my dogs, you would have an unfortunate accidents, like falling down the stairs several times and I wouldn't care if I did do my back in by howling you up the stairs a few times

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/3/2011 12:50:34 PM

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PA...No mine can't be tazed as they are just to quick for that shit.however my daughters 4 and 2 use them for pillows and play mates..how many can say that they trust trained protectiom dawgs with their kids very few I would say..I have said often on her a trained dog is nuch bettr then a shot gun smile..B

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/3/2011 1:00:46 PM

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So a pricey dog cant be trazed? hmm

If I was trying to do somebody's house over, I'd use a proper gun on the dogs, not a tazer.
I'm funny like that...

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RE: $230,000 For a Guard Dog: Why the Wealthy Are Afrai... - 8/3/2011 1:04:38 PM

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$230K for a fuckin dog? I'd be savin his shit, cuz he would be eatin that dogfood more than once, to cut some corners somewhere......

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