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Again, government doesnt create jobs at all, never has.

It cant

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Willburnomics 101:
* Working for NASA is not a job;
* Any one employed by the Police Dept. is not working and hasn't got a job;
* Any one employed by the military/Defence Dept. is not working and hasn't got a job;
* Nurses don't have real jobs; and
* No one employed by a Government anywhere at any time, in whatever capacity has a job or contributes.

Popeye might be surprised to learn that his career in the Coast Guard wasn't a career at all and pops spent his entire adult life deluding himself into thinking he was working. Perhaps NASA really stands for No-one Ambitious, Slackers Appreciated, the CIA means Competitive Industry Abhorred, and the FBI is really the Federal Bureau of Indolence.

We might well ponder the economic credentials and credibility of any one (like Willbur) who insists the laughable claims above are true. Due consideration of these views ought to take all of one and a half seconds (if you're a slow thinker), before throwing them into the nearest trash can.

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wilbur sad, "The banks would not have gone under and the car companies would not have failed."

you have to remember that with every post wilbur confirms he knows virtually nothing about everything.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Willburnomics 101:
* Working for NASA is not a job;
* Any one employed by the Police Dept. is not working and hasn't got a job;
* Any one employed by the military/Defence Dept. is not working and hasn't got a job;
* Nurses don't have real jobs; and
* No one employed by a Government anywhere at any time, in whatever capacity has a job or contributes.

Popeye might be surprised to learn that his career in the Coast Guard wasn't a career at all and pops spent his entire adult life deluding himself into thinking he was working. Perhaps NASA really stands for No-one Ambitious, Slackers Appreciated, the CIA means Competitive Industry Abhorred, and the FBI is really the Federal Bureau of Indolence.

We might well ponder the economic credentials and credibility of any one (like Willbur) who insists the laughable claims above are true. Due consideration of these views ought to take all of one and a half seconds (if you're a slow thinker), before throwing them into the nearest trash can.

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Sanity
It takes several private sector jobs to support one public sector job, is that too complicated for you to understand?

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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Sanity
It takes several private sector jobs to support one public sector job, is that too complicated for you to understand?

I note you now concede that public sector positions are now "jobs". This represents a considerable advance on your previous position, which was :

"Again, government doesnt create jobs at all, never has.
It cant " Sanity post #17

I am glad that you have to come to see the error of your ways. I was concerned that it might have proved too complicated for you but am delighted my concerns were misplaced. Of course the government can create jobs, as you now appear to agree.

Is it too much to hope that you will never raise this false claim again?

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The question put to you was: Is it too much to hope that you will never raise this false claim again?

You made a wild ideologically-driven claim that it was impossible for the public sector to "create jobs". This claim was demonstrated to be false. You have now agreed that this claim is wrong and that, in fact Govts can create jobs.

As you are no doubt aware, advancing a claim you know to be false is tantamount to telling deliberate lies. It can't be impossible for you to agree to tell the truth.

So please assure me that you are not going to make this false claim again.

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CARNEY:  The White House doesn't create jobs.  The government together -- White House, Congress -- creates policies that allow for greater job creation.

TAPPER:  What is the president doing, what is --



CARNEY:  You know that he went to a fund -- he went to fundraisers last night.

TAPPER:  What is he doing today?  What is he doing -- what is he doing --

CARNEY:  The president -- had -- the president has worked -- (crosstalk)

TAPPER:  -- about all the stuff that needs to done to help create jobs --

CARNEY:  That's right, and he went to Chicago.

TAPPER:  Congress -- (crosstalk)

CARNEY:  The president is having meetings with his senior staff, the president has called on Congress to move quickly on things that are -- have bipartisan support and are in Congress' lap.  The trade -- (crosstalk)

TAPPER:  That's what he was doing a couple months ago, calling on Congress to pass things.

CARNEY:  Congress has the power to pass legislation that the president can sign.

TAPPER:  Has he called Mitch McConnell?  Has he called John Boehner?  Is he working on things that they can do?

CARNEY:  Jake, I know you weren't here yesterday, but I know you were here for most of the days before that when this president and those leaders and others worked seven days a week to avert a major economic crisis in this country.  It would have --

TAPPER:  You're saying the president can walk and chew gum at the same time.  I'm asking you --

CARNEY:  What -- are you asking me --

TAPPER:  What is he doing, other than calling on Congress to pass things you've been calling on Congress to pass for months.  What is he doing to help the economy?

CARNEY:  He is working very closely with his senior economic advisors to come up with new proposals to help advance growth and job creation.

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Sanity

For those who still dont get it...
This, from Obamas official White House spokesman:
The White House / the government doesnt create jobs

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
Are you a total moron? We've just had this discussion. This claim was found to be false. You conceded that the Govt is capable of job creation. Twice, you were asked to commit to refrain from making this false claim again. Those requests were ignored.

Now here we have you making this claim again. A claim that you know to be false. A flagrant lie (as was made clear to you a couple of posts ago). Yet you refuse to change your opinions to accommodate reality. Why do you need to cling so desperately to falsehood? Do you think any one is fooled by your sloppy attempt at asserting the glaringly false equivalence between the White House and government? Are you so brainwashed that you are incapable of adjusting your views to incorporate new facts? Why do choose delusion over reality?

The simpleton in this discussion is you - you are the one refusing to accept reality because reality destroys your ideologically tainted version of the world. You are the one deluded by false ideological claims.

You are in no position to lecture any one about anything until you remove the ideological blinkers and start to see the world for what it is. At your current rate of progress, that's going to take a few millennia.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


In reality...

Its the White House making that claim.

I am merely reporting that fact, tweaka.

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The banks would not have gone under and the car companies would not have failed. You are right...there is no such thing as too big to fail, and we blew it. That is inconsistent with the rest of your post.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Dry your eyes because the government siphons money out of the economy and wastes it, while the private businesses that government takes the money from could be using it for job creation

Again, government doesnt create jobs at all, never has.

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More lies. If you were merely reporting it, why did your post (#33) begin with "For those who still dont get it... "??? These are the words of a person seeking to persuade not report. You still believe this nonsensical claim don't you? You are still clinging to a falsehood even though you know it to be false. Your ideology forces you to refuse to adjust to the facts.

It's all about you sugar, and your fanatical attachment to the falsehoods that underpin your ideology. And it will stay that way for as long as you cling to your delusions. I do understand that accepting your claim is false has grave implications for your far right ideology - it destroys the basis of your ideology. So, from your perspective, there are strong reasons for refusing to accept reality. But that will never make it the right thing to do.

Let's be perfectly clear about your choice here - you can choose an ideologically driven falsehood or a statement that describes reality. You are choosing the falsehood. You're insisting that reality conform to your blinkered version of it.

Dream on ......