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Man jailed over sex game death - 8/11/2011 1:12:36 PM

Anaxagoras

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An unfortunate story concerning erotic asphyxiation http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/man-jailed-over-sex-game-death-16035403.html leading to the death of a 23 year old girl in the UK. A few well known people have gone the same way, such as David Carradine, and perhaps Michael Hutchence, if Paula Yeats is to believed. Is it just too dangerous to be performed in any sort of responsible way putting it outside the safe-sane-consensual credo?

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RE: Man jailed over sex game death - 8/11/2011 2:49:38 PM

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that's very sad... =(

personally, i'm more of a RACK person -- "risk-aware consensual kink." SSC gets a little too high-n-mighty for me, since "sane" is a little subjective, really -- and once someone decides what you're doing doesn't fit their definition of "sane," they think they have a right to get in your business.

that said, breath play can be very dangerous; there are all sorts of things that can happen that you never plan for. a lot of people stress having a drop object or something like that to let the Top know that you're in trouble, in case you can't speak for some reason.

anyway, very sad story. =(

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RE: Man jailed over sex game death - 8/11/2011 4:10:51 PM

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very sad indeed. To answer your question though. In my opinion, no I do not believe it is too dangerous to be performed. Unfortunately, there are a lot of kinks that can kill you. This one seems to be the most prevalent in news, but it can be avoided. I will say one thing though, I will not do breath play with just anybody. I have to have a very high level of trust with this person, especially if I was to be in bondage at the same time. Said level of trust would more than likely take years as this type of edge play is in fact dangerous if not performed properly.

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RE: Man jailed over sex game death - 8/12/2011 8:29:30 AM

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that's very sad... =(

personally, i'm more of a RACK person -- "risk-aware consensual kink." SSC gets a little too high-n-mighty for me, since "sane" is a little subjective, really -- and once someone decides what you're doing doesn't fit their definition of "sane," they think they have a right to get in your business.

that said, breath play can be very dangerous; there are all sorts of things that can happen that you never plan for. a lot of people stress having a drop object or something like that to let the Top know that you're in trouble, in case you can't speak for some reason.

anyway, very sad story. =(

Yeah its a terribly sad story, particularly since these people were living in accomodation for vulnerable people menaing both would have experienced hardship before.

I know what you mean about SSC. The sane aspect is pretty subjective. I guess one of the defining aspects of D/s for many is pushing subs which inevitably means pushing the limits of what people consider sane.

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very sad indeed. To answer your question though. In my opinion, no I do not believe it is too dangerous to be performed. Unfortunately, there are a lot of kinks that can kill you. This one seems to be the most prevalent in news, but it can be avoided. I will say one thing though, I will not do breath play with just anybody. I have to have a very high level of trust with this person, especially if I was to be in bondage at the same time. Said level of trust would more than likely take years as this type of edge play is in fact dangerous if not performed properly.

I wonder is the interest in autoeroticism due to the high death rate or sensationalism. It seems to get a fair bit of attention: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoerotic_fatality

It would be interesting to know what the most dangerous of acts in BDSM play are where there is a rare but still significant possibility of death. I don't know that much about breath play, having never done it in any way seriously but just from my own perspective it seems the most inherently dangerous because the neck is so fragile, and once something goes wrong there is very little time (if any) to get the person to a hospital.

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RE: Man jailed over sex game death - 8/12/2011 9:52:08 AM

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Hmmm, I would think breath play is probably the most dangerous. I'm pretty afraid of death overall, and perhaps that fear of death does help in the experience.

One thing I am aware of however, holding your breath while masturbating does help with endorphin release (at least it feels like it does). I can't back this claim medically, but I know what a good endorphin rush feels like, and if I hold my breath while I masturbate I can definitely feel a difference. I do not ever use an instrument such as rope or belt, I prefer to just hold my breath. A lot harder to kill yourself when you're not involving a tool or a piece of duct tape.

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RE: Man jailed over sex game death - 8/14/2011 5:29:46 AM

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Ah....sad....but I am against breath play of that sort.

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RE: Man jailed over sex game death - 8/30/2011 4:57:48 PM

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An unfortunate story concerning erotic asphyxiation http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/man-jailed-over-sex-game-death-16035403.html leading to the death of a 23 year old girl in the UK. A few well known people have gone the same way, such as David Carradine, and perhaps Michael Hutchence, if Paula Yeats is to believed. Is it just too dangerous to be performed in any sort of responsible way putting it outside the safe-sane-consensual credo?

I often do and have done breathplay many times. From very simple bagging up to hangings and play involving chemicals. I have no problem with keeping it within SSC for me.

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RE: Man jailed over sex game death - 8/30/2011 6:00:37 PM

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RACK means that the bottom realizes he or she could die, and the top realizes that if the bottom dies the top will be spending years in jail. People can take that risk if they like. I have no problem with it.

Personally if I ever felt I needed a turn on that could kill me even if I were on a heart monitor in a hospital with a doctor present, I'd give up kink and sex. Yep, if I had a choice of living or a turn on, I'd take living and watching my grandbabies grow up. That 23 year old girl will never get that choice again. Who wants to bet she'd make a different decision if shd could do it again?

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RE: Man jailed over sex game death - 8/31/2011 1:05:52 AM

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Trust schmust ! You play this game you might have to go from strangling someone to giving intense CPR in milliseconds.

They'll put your ass in jail over alot less than this, so be careful.

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RE: Man jailed over sex game death - 8/31/2011 11:45:29 AM

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RACK means that the bottom realizes he or she could die, and the top realizes that if the bottom dies the top will be spending years in jail. People can take that risk if they like. I have no problem with it.

I feel RACK and SSC have issues. I assume RACK is about awareness of harm generally rather than just death but I wonder how many people are sufficiently aware to really know the risks? It must be more than just knowing someone might die as that could happen with any D/s activity, and even something as vanilla as walking across a bridge. lol

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Personally if I ever felt I needed a turn on that could kill me even if I were on a heart monitor in a hospital with a doctor present, I'd give up kink and sex. Yep, if I had a choice of living or a turn on, I'd take living and watching my grandbabies grow up. That 23 year old girl will never get that choice again. Who wants to bet she'd make a different decision if shd could do it again?

I agree. I feel a few things are just too dangerous to do. I recognise that many will do it regardless of the risks, and thats Ok with me but if I was ever asked what my own opinion was, I would have to say it isn't worth it. The potential tragedy here is too great but each to his/her own. Besides there are somewhat safer types of breath play like using clingfilm...

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RE: Man jailed over sex game death - 8/31/2011 12:15:07 PM

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A very sad story, wasn't even aware of this and it's quite close to me.

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One thing I am aware of however, holding your breath while masturbating does help with endorphin release (at least it feels like it does). I can't back this claim medically, but I know what a good endorphin rush feels like, and if I hold my breath while I masturbate I can definitely feel a difference. I do not ever use an instrument such as rope or belt, I prefer to just hold my breath. A lot harder to kill yourself when you're not involving a tool or a piece of duct tape.

I vaguely remember from University it's partly a biological response, the heart beats faster to increase the intake of oxygen from the available air, blood pressure rises along with something else

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