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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:24:06 AM

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Ignorant people are an issue I would like to address finally......
I have been extremely frustrated for many many years now, especially in my local area, with the shear volume of people in my BDSM pool who just do not take care of themselves at all!
A Master who is ignorant?!?!?!?! Give me a fucking break, I'm suppossed to trust you to guide me?!?!? control me!?!?!?
You can't fucking control yourself!?!?!? And don't think I haven't noticed that MOST reliable crediable Mistresses are NOT ignorant!
I just had to get this out and yeah I know some ignorant people are ignorant because of XY&Z but thats a very small percentage.....
It's just very agrivating and I feel it's the elephant in the room really......so thanks for giving me somewhere to rant.

Fixed that for ya......

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:24:47 AM

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But....she SAID!

~recoils in horror~ NOOOOOOOOO! you know who doesn't deserve it.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:26:04 AM

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Does that include your previous rant that women who take care of themselves and like to wear high heels are all weak submissives?

No, but, it does include the fact that I was not ranting, and, that is not at all what the post you are calling a rant was about, but, you and your friends made very gross, hate-filled assumptions about what I meant, by reading it based on the perspective you assumed I have rather than learning what my perspective really is. And, you continued to do so -as is evidenced by this most recent post - despite that I told you that it was not what it was about, and, tried, more than once, to correct that assumption.

Thank you for proving my point. Though, I shouldn't have known you did, since I hid your posts from view, after I realized that you are a forum troll, who seeks out ways to start flame wars, and, I have no idea how or why I can even see your posts now.

Goodbye.

For those of you who do not know what that was in reference to, I made a post, once - in a moment of feeling a little aggravated and depressed and feeling the need for a little female sympathy as to a big problem that keeps cropping up - as to how most dominant men and most submissive men demand exactly the same things from women: that they be some perpetually high-heeled, stocking wearing, fake-breasted, fantasy whore, who grants them full time access to their bodies and never wants anything in return.

Those were not the exact words I used, but, the gist is the same. I think it is very odd and wrong that men who claim to love women and be submissive to them are still demanding that the woman serve them through physical expressions and looks, rather than them seeking to learn to love women in their more natural state, accepting the woman's right to be as physical and made up as she wishes to be (or does not wish to be), and, learning to please the woman in the same way that a submissive woman is expected to learn to do for the dominant males.

For some reason, these women decided that my looking down upon allegedly submissive males who are incapable of actually submitting or even being able to deal with real women, is the same thing as me saying that women who CHOOSE to dress that way, in high heels and stockings, are all evil whores who need to die.

I consider this to be their problem, not mine.

Actually, I am talking about this thread

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3508273/mpage_1/tm.htm

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:30:55 AM

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A Master who is fat!?!?!?!?! Give me a fucking break, I'm suppossed to trust you to guide me?!?!? control me!?!?!?
You can't fucking control yourself!?!?!?

Hey, i'm just gonna quote from your profile:

"i know i know submissives don't want to hear that, god forbid, their Dominant might have a weakness but if you walk around in that fantasy world just keep walking please."

Enough said.

pam

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:34:37 AM

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Ahhh, a new fat thread. Same shit...same site...different day.

Me and my fat ass are going out to enjoy the day. Have fun beating the dead horse.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:35:15 AM

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lol... this thread should be deleted or locked, not moved... completely useless

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:36:34 AM

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BonesFromAsh, i thought that was pretty much every thread.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:37:36 AM

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lol... this thread should be deleted or locked, not moved... completely useless

That's why it's in Polls and Random Snippets and not another forum.

Useless? So are all the threads in this forum. That's why they're here.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:41:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

I could only find the data from 2003 and that says 30.6% of the US population are obese (that's not overweight but obese), I would assume the percentage has risen.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity

Tim Tebow (professional football player) is considered obese at 6′2 and 235lb, according to the BMI index, which is what most studies use to determine obesity. And this is the problem with such studies. Just thought to toss that out there, LC!

True, but which percentage of the population is build like he is? The whole height weight scale is a bit off, muscles are heavier than fat because they're more dense, if you buy a kilo of meat that is pure muscle, you don't get all that much, a kilo of fat is about the volume of a liter.

But to keep it realistic, most of the people you see out there aren't exactly gym bunnies who are heavier due to their muscle mass but are just a bit wobbly from fat.

No, I agree with Tazzy.

The BMI is nonsense.

And you said it yourself, it doesn't take muscle mass into account.

I don't have the link but I read where 90% of NFL players would be judged obese by BMI standards.

They seem to manage to be pretty athletic despite their obesity.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:43:13 AM

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Using FR...

I am going to address something that Angel touched on that I do believe......for MYSELF. And, to be honest, a measure of others.

If a person expects to master another, to have reasonably intelligent, adult humans, concede their personal power over to them.....there absolutely MUST be a fairly high level of self mastery. I just cannot have any respect for someone that doesn't, including MYSELF. If I expect that a woman eat healthy, get exercise, be healthy....I would be a hypocrite if I wasn't doing the same for myself. If I expected her to manage her income well, I should be setting a good example myself.

Certainly it is a relationship based upon an imbalance of power. We are not talking about being fair. We are talking about being a person that someone respects and trusts enough to concede their own personal power over to. Establishing trust. Knowing that when the person in the relationship that has the power makes a decision it will likely be a good decision. Weight and personal health management is only one indicator of personal responsibility and self control. If a person cannot control their impulses in one facet of their life, how is the s-type to trust that they can control their impulses in other facets that will immediately and directly affect the s-types personal well being?

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:43:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

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ORIGINAL: kelleyskinky
A Master who is fat!?!?!?!?! Give me a fucking break, I'm suppossed to trust you to guide me?!?!? control me!?!?!?
You can't fucking control yourself!?!?!?

Hey, i'm just gonna quote from your profile:

"i know i know submissives don't want to hear that, god forbid, their Dominant might have a weakness but if you walk around in that fantasy world just keep walking please."

Enough said.

pam

what a dingbat...

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:45:37 AM

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Latigresse,

You said it better than i have. Thanks for clarifying my thoughts.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:47:09 AM

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What I don't get is, why get upset that some people don't conform to your ideal of beauty? Some of the sights you see at BDSM parties weren't meant for my eyes to see (most notably a guy literally busting out of his latex suit, which already seemed to be XXXL but was obviously not big enough), but if I go swimming I also see people that aren't perfect, so do I need to have a complete tantrum and demand that they are taken away?

I'm all for being healthy, but if somebody is happy with a bit more padding than I'd be happy with on my body, who really cares? I possibly wouldn't be attracted to somebody who is morbidly obese to the point of being out of breath when walking a few yards, I'd find that quite limiting to my lifestyle and play. Doesn't mean that somebody else isn't exactly looking for that.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:51:01 AM

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have to say I'm in agreement with barelynangel and LadyTigresse. They said it better than I could without getting flamed but when I see such people I just shrug my shoulders and think to myself they would not be who I consider dominant, think whatever turns em on and walk away whether it be in real life or online.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 10:01:00 AM

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have to say I'm in agreement with barelynangel and LadyTigresse. They said it better than I could without getting flamed but when I see such people I just shrug my shoulders and think to myself they would not be who I consider dominant, think whatever turns em on and walk away whether it be in real life or online.

Exactly. There are a large number of measuring sticks we use when determining if a person is our ideal partner. Body type is only one.

I don't look at a woman with a large mole on her nose, know that looking at that fucker every day would drive me to distraction, then go on a rant about people with nose moles and how horrible they are. I just know that they are not likely for me. Unless they want to get the thing removed.....but I wouldn't demand it to say they are a real submissive/slave.

Similarly anyone that has the idea that to be a weal and twue dominate, I must cane her 20 lashes every morning with a blackberry cane. Isn't my idea of a weal and twue swave. But hey, that might be perfect for an evil weal and twue sadistic dominate like ohhhhh........sayyyyyyyy.......LadyPact!!!!!

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 10:03:48 AM

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The problem is that a lot of subs are drawn to unstable people, dunno why, but I sometimes got to know D types (male and female) and I wouldn't leave them alone with my pets or trust them to look after my drink while I nip to the bathroom, to put it less politely, some seemed to be batshit crazy and not the good way, more like in substance problems and all that, you'd think anybody with a brain would run from them, not to them...

Some guys are drawn to BBWs and that's fine, I don't think that anybody who's overweight is always unhealthy and not in control of themselves, a lot of people are just build heavier, but morbidly obese is a no go.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 10:06:29 AM

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By the age of 35, you should be learning that there is more to people than how they look.

That your first real thread on this forum is a rant about fat people would lead one to believe you are judgmental, prejudicial, and need to stereotype people to the point that you have to scream and rave about it.

Not perhaps, your best foot forward.

As Pam (Gungadin) pulled from your profile:

"i know i know submissives don't want to hear that, god forbid, their Dominant might have a weakness but if you walk around in that fantasy world just keep walking please."

Out of control is out of control, it doesn't matter if it's to do with diet or having the emotional fortitude of a toddler.

No one is in perfect control all the time, not even I.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 10:06:30 AM

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Latigresse,
You said it better than i have. Thanks for clarifying my thoughts.
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i actually agree with you both. i've said before that people have the right to decide what self-mastery means to THEM, and to choose their partners accordingly. She has every right to feel the way she does. She has the right to act on those feelings. She also has the right to start a thread about it. It's just that she does NOT have the right to have everyone else agree with her, or express THEIR views any less strongly than she expressed hers.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 10:12:55 AM

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Greetings

I am going to assume you have never had weight problems yourself, nor anyone in your family. It is very easy to draw conclusions and judge when you have never experienced it yourself. I am overweight, I have straggled with my weight since I was one and a half years old, and I want you say that it is cruel, thoughtless people like you that make life living hell for those that are overweight.

First off all you think overweight people do not take care of themselves, that is bullshit. Listen you little shit do you really think anyone would ever take the medical problem, the social scorn, hell the cost of finding clothes that fit well, all the problems with being obese if it was just due to a lack of self control. Overweight is not cause by one problem, usually there are many issues that come together and creates this illness, for example one common contributing cause in depression and other mental problems, problems little dumb shits like you make worse.

There are many reasons for overweight, depression, genes, inheritance, addiction, medication how one was raised and so on. For me I come from a family with many people with weight issues in it, so you have inheritance. I have depression and I overeat as comfort, and it also makes it harder to eat healthy as when one have a problem getting up some mornings it is not easy to make nutritious, healthy food, I was also raised in a family where food where comfort, food where celebration, food where everything, in addition I gain weight easily, I can not eat much without gaining weight. Now I am not saying this to complain about my situation but to show that overweight have reasons. Now no person is perfect, and for me loosing weight would take every bit of strength I have, so instead I have accepted myself as I am and choose to focus on other things, like for example studies. Overweight is not about lack of self control, it is about several factors combining to create an illness, and us that are overweight being told we are lazy and no good because of how we look definitely do not help.

The man that was my Master and who is now my free companion is a little pudgy to, and he have more impulse control that most people I have ever met, and I trust him a hell of a lot more than someone who is thin but stupid as a loaf of bread like you.

Now if you can not stand to watch fat people at BDSM clubs, look away or do not go, this is our world to and we have as much right to live in in as you do.

Now normally I would wish the one I am addressing well, but I will not this time. I wish you get some addiction, some debilitating illness, something that make people treat you like you treat overweight people, perhaps then you will learn not to judge people just by how they look.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 10:23:04 AM

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to be honest nephandi, your rant doesn't make you look any better than her. You're both ranting about how the other is worse or better than the other instead of just shrugging it off and figuring "they're just not the one for me".

Not quite sure what you're angry about....a person posting their rant on a website?

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