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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 9:47:06 AM

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If Islam took over the western world, that being Europe and America, what difference would it make from the present

What is it, atheists woudn't be tolerated, or perhaps at best dimmified ?

At one time Islam was all about knowledge art and learning, the Moorish conquest of Spain proved that and the old schools of mathematics in what is now Iraq giving us much that we now use as de rigeur in engineering, Algebra being but one example.

But the Islamic world has brought us much, so I ask why do we fear Islam so much, are they that evil or is the truth that they are the new Ruskies, i.e. an ideal to fear and arm against ?

If you are a god fearing person, Christian or Jew what problem do you have with a religion which is based on the same ?

As a Jew, let me just say that Islam, Mormon, Christian, whatever... You're all wrong.

Every time you pray "In Jesus' Name", you piss G-d off a little more.

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 9:56:23 AM

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As a Jew, let me just say that Islam, Mormon, Christian, whatever... You're all wrong.

Every time you pray "In Jesus' Name", you piss G-d off a little more.

And as an atheist, let me just say that this doesn't really doesn't matter, as there is no such thing as God.

See? Two can play at this game, but in the end, it's all futile. Just live and let live, dude.

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 9:56:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
And then there's this: http://www.collarchat.com/m_3817871/tm.htm

Very sad, yet timely.

*shrug* Crazy parents. They will be brought before a judge and hopefully convicted.

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You are proving the point that extremist religious (or other) ideals are dangerous. On this we agree.

Great.

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
What we don't agree on is your racist and bigoted generalizations about everyone who is Muslim.

Generalization by a couple of my blond friends: All blonds are dumb.

Do you happen to be blond?

In any case, it may be that all other blonds are dumb, but those blond friends of mine most certainly only pretend to be dumb. They are very smart bitches.

Whatever the degree of dumbness of blonds is, generalizations is what people do when talking about large aggregates of whatever.

Population biologists talk about populations, not about individuals.

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
There are bad Muslims like there bad Christians like there are bad Jews like there are bad Buddhists like there are bad Atheists. But not all are bad.

Quite: not all are bad. But where there is smoke, there often is a fire. This smoke - and fire - must be explored and mapped by competent - preferably also Muslim and Jewish - sociologists and geneticists. Review articles bringing together all this research are also required.

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 10:00:31 AM

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As a Jew, let me just say that Islam, Mormon, Christian, whatever... You're all wrong.

Every time you pray "In Jesus' Name", you piss G-d off a little more.

Aww farglebargle... I am so sorry for your sake.

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 10:21:07 AM

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And then there's this: http://www.collarchat.com/m_3817871/tm.htm

Very sad, yet timely.

*shrug* Crazy parents. They will be brought before a judge and hopefully convicted.

They are perhaps crazy (though only psychiatric tests can prove that) but more importantly, they are misguided by a religious faction/ideology which is extremist. They did this in the name of a god, much in the way that most people beat and torture people in the name of a god.

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What we don't agree on is your racist and bigoted generalizations about everyone who is Muslim.

Generalization by a couple of my blond friends: All blonds are dumb.

Do you happen to be blond?

Yes, naturally blonde haired and blue eyed.

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In any case, it may be that all other blonds are dumb, but those blond friends of mine most certainly only pretend to be dumb. They are very smart bitches.

Whatever the degree of dumbness of blonds is, generalizations is what people do when talking about large aggregates of whatever.

And I never, ever act dumb. Believe me.

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Population biologists talk about populations, not about individuals.

Which is part of the problem. Of course we can come up with generalizations to help identify issues. The problem is that these generalizations fuel the fears and insecurities of biggots, as it has in your case.

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
There are bad Muslims like there bad Christians like there are bad Jews like there are bad Buddhists like there are bad Atheists. But not all are bad.

Quite: not all are bad. But where there is smoke, there often is a fire. This smoke - and fire - must be explored and mapped by competent - preferably also Muslim and Jewish - sociologists and geneticists. Review articles bringing together all this research are also required.

If you are referring to issues related to why a religious faction has become this extremist at this point in time, then I'm all for the study of this. There are definitely political reasons behind it, but the I think that much has already been uncovered by historians about what happens when there is extremist fundamentalism. We should also look at other religious extremist

If you are wanting to conduct studies with the hopes of discriminating against nationalities, religious beliefs or ethnicities, then you've got some serious fear-inpired biggoted issues to deal with.

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 10:38:14 AM

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The problem is that these generalizations fuel the fears and insecurities of biggots, as it has in your case.

From Wikipedia:

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A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own or intolerant of people of different political views, ethnicity, race, class, religion, profession, sexuality or gender.

Hm, maybe I am a bigot. I think that physicians are incompetent when it concerns (the treatment of) certain diseases. It is my contention that the health of populations will increase dramatically if all physicians are extradited. That makes me a bigot, yes?

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 10:43:40 AM

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Discovery or the BBC have a nice docu series about the live of Mohammed.
From the western world and the Islamic world...scholars/professors and religious people talk about the Islam.
And they all agree on the fact that the words of the Koran were fitting for the times of the crusade, but it is now abused by the bad guys.
Watching the series gives you a way more positive look at the religion. Refreshing.

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 10:44:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
If you are referring to issues related to why a religious faction has become this extremist at this point in time, then I'm all for the study of this. There are definitely political reasons behind it, but the I think that much has already been uncovered by historians about what happens when there is extremist fundamentalism. We should also look at other religious extremist

If you are wanting to conduct studies with the hopes of discriminating against nationalities, religious beliefs or ethnicities, then you've got some serious fear-inspired bigoted issues to deal with.

I gather that you have never read the Old Testament.

You blonds think in weird ways. I suppose that when someone proposes to count flowers that you will infer that it is intended to decide whether the sheep will be shorn for either trousers or shirts?

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 10:47:04 AM

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Mohammad did not write the Koran. Do not blame him for what Islam became after his death.

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 10:48:35 AM

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I didn't say what you wrote in both lines of text ;)

this series for those who have interest
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2011/06_june/20/muhammad.shtml

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 10:50:21 AM

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Indeed, you did not.

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 10:51:49 AM

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Indeed, you did not.

oh sorry, I thought you meant I said it.

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 10:53:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
The problem is that these generalizations fuel the fears and insecurities of biggots, as it has in your case.

From Wikipedia:

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A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own or intolerant of people of different political views, ethnicity, race, class, religion, profession, sexuality or gender.

That is an acceptable description of what bigotry is, but it does not address the root of bigotry, which is fear of the other.

Most people who are bigoted do not understand those they are bigoted against. They have developed a stereotype and fuel it with all arguments that support their hatred.

Usually, people that are bigoted have very limited real interactions with the people they hate, which is why I suggested that you have likely never travelled to the Middle East nor do you interact regularly with Muslim people.

You do not understand them and they scare you, so you discriminate against them.

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Hm, maybe I am a bigot. I think that physicians are incompetent when it concerns (the treatment of) certain diseases. It is my contention that the health of populations will increase dramatically if all physicians are extradited. That makes me a bigot, yes?

Actually, I called you a bigot based on this statement:

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ORIGINAL: Rule

They have a six times higher frequency of lethal inherited diseases. They are inbred. They - generic - lack Grace, i.e. many of them are without a conscience. They murder females.

But then again, if you don't understand anything about modern medicine, then I can understand why you might be afraid of them too.

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 10:57:51 AM

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If you are referring to issues related to why a religious faction has become this extremist at this point in time, then I'm all for the study of this. There are definitely political reasons behind it, but the I think that much has already been uncovered by historians about what happens when there is extremist fundamentalism. We should also look at other religious extremist

If you are wanting to conduct studies with the hopes of discriminating against nationalities, religious beliefs or ethnicities, then you've got some serious fear-inspired bigoted issues to deal with.

I gather that you have never read the Old Testament.

Actually I have studied it a long time ago. It was part of the religious curriculum of the catholic school my parents enrolled me in.

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You blonds think in weird ways.

Funny. Obviously a ploy to bait me. But in all honesty, there really isn't a blond way of thinking. Dissapointing, I know.

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I suppose that when someone proposes to count flowers that you will infer that it is intended to decide whether the sheep will be shorn for either trousers or shirts?

I have absolutely no clue what you are getting at with this colourful imagery.

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 10:58:06 AM

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Mohammad did not write the Koran. Do not blame him for what Islam became after his death.

That's right. Mohammad did not write the Koran, which began with the writings of Moses, and, was full of rules, and, included the prophecy about the coming of Jesus and how to tell when to expect the Messiah as well as how to tell who he was.

Mohammed is just the guy, who through tyranny and bloodshed, forced his viewpoint on his own people, and, who killed everyone who pointed out that he was not following the tenents of the religion he claimed to be a part of, spread strange false rumors about himself, and, pretended to be the next Messiah, claiming that the first one wasn't good enough and that all Christians and Jews should be eradicated from the earth.

So, yes, do blame him, a lot, for what happened after his death. Why not? Jesus does. God does.
But, don't blame the Muslims who are mistaught and oppressed, forced to live with the legacy of his lies and filthy acts of treachery! Some of them are very good, peaceful people. Probably most of them are very good, peaceful people and they will be judged, not on what the ignorant blood thirsty few do, but, on what they, as individuals do.

Most Muslims, whether they care to study and consider the teachings of the Christ or not, are quite willing to live in peace, in tolerance, with Jews and Christians. So are most Jews and Christians willing to live in peace and tolerance with each other and Muslims. It's a matter of being brave enough to stand up to those who would twist the teachings and act "in the name of God" in a manner that God has always proclaimed as evil and unjust.

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 11:02:22 AM

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Usually, people that are bigoted have very limited real interactions with the people they hate, which is why I suggested that you have likely never travelled to the Middle East nor do you interact regularly with Muslim people.

You still think in weird blond ways. When and where did you - incorrectly - infer that I hate people?

I do not.

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
You do not understand them and they scare you, so you discriminate against them.

I rather think that I do understand evolution biology exceedingly well.

I discriminate against everyone: There is super-genius me and ordinary folk - and dumb blonds of course.

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 11:07:20 AM

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Usually, people that are bigoted have very limited real interactions with the people they hate, which is why I suggested that you have likely never travelled to the Middle East nor do you interact regularly with Muslim people.

You still think in weird blond ways. When and where did you - incorrectly - infer that I hate people?

I do not.

You may want to check your hate speach then.

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 11:08:36 AM

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Actually, I called you a bigot based on this statement:

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They have a six times higher frequency of lethal inherited diseases. They are inbred. They - generic - lack Grace, i.e. many of them are without a conscience. They murder females.

I refer you to my posts 38 and 39, providing examples of the truth of my statements.

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But then again, if you don't understand anything about modern medicine, then I can understand why you might be afraid of them too.

I think that I understand modern medicine rather well.

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 11:13:15 AM

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I have known many Christians in my life... so far, & I dont fear them nor do they fear me.

Lets go back 1 month ago ( I am sorry to bring this back) but when the Oslo attack happen the Media over come with a (Muslim attack),
I breathed a sigh of relief when it was not an (Islamic act), one of the Iraqies refugees there told me that when that attack happened, there was a bouch of them near that place,
they rush there to rescue the injured.
my point is if the attacker was arab (arab but not muslim) the media will go mad about islam once more, & the war against Islam will be re-ignited.
on the other hand, he was a right, & there was a (small amount of action) in that matter.

Algebra was not invented by (Arabs or muslims) we all know that, but Every civilization in the ancient world toke some knowlege (if not all) from the past civilization & they try to improve it in all ways,
Muslims Conquered most parts of India, they got to the borders of china, & they improve the knowlege they come through, just like the ancient persia.

now there is a fear that egypt will become (Islamic state) in the west world, but there was not fear from (Jewish state) or it will never be a fear from it.
Please have in mind that if the ME was not rich in oil, there will not be that much fear from Islam, just because there is some people who would like to let the ME area under ...
Dictatorship, & giving the west that oil or gas or even (iron in Tunisia) for just trash mony.

I remember that (Mr. hussian was approve the oil for Food) he would rather get food for it & not money...... how cheap is that. in that era the oil prices was very very low... I wounder why?

I have treated by Christians in the past & have nothing but respect for them, & some people fear what they dont understand.

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RE: If Islam .......? - 8/21/2011 11:13:57 AM

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You may want to check your hate speach then.

What hate speech?

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