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PeonForHer -> RE: What does it mean when a woman (versus a man) says they don't wish to see nudity? (8/27/2011 2:36:33 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Arpig
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DoYouNeedHelp
When a woman unveils her body, she is showing her vulnerability and submission. When a man unveils his body, he is showing he is dangerous and dominant. If the woman orders him to show himself, then, it is by her choice and she holds the power.
A submissive woman already feels that the man is dominant, usually, and, so, to throw a cock in her face, even just pictorially, is to needlessly put her in her place with threats.
A dominant woman will see the cocks being flung about freely as a sign that the man is there to use women's bodies and is only lying about his submissive state.
It doesn't matter how the man feels about it, because, this is nature, not rational thought. You can feel like you are trying to share, all you want, but, the truth is, penises are made to thrust, stab, force into things, break open the womb, and, alter the woman's body through pregnancy. There is nothing submissive about them, which is why so many women want to control a man through chastity devices and why so many submissive men want it that way. What a load of misguided bunkum. I don't even know where to start other than to say that if you believe this ...shit, then you do need help. [My bolds]
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HeatherMcLeather
I'm gay, I don't like cocks, why show me yours?
This has me seriously confused.
And pissed off. They are not only unwanted, they are distressing. The only cock I have interacted with was forced on me, I really resent these men doing the same, forcing their ugly penii on me. It is, to me, a form of visual rape.
Arpig - and others who were disparaging of DoYouNeedHelp's comments:
Isn't DYNH confirming Heather's view, here - to some slight extent, at least? Me, I read Heather's point and had probably the same reaction as most: 'Oh yes, I'd feel that way too in your position. How vile and loathsome to receive unwanted pics of dicks.'
Versus DYNH, I don't believe that penises were 'made' to be used as instruments of force - but the fact is that they *can* be, and - clearly - often have been. And they're attached to humans who are usually strong enough to be able to use them that way on women should they want to.
Now I'm not at all sure that it's the correct explanation for why, generally, women have a quite different reaction to pictures of dicks from men than men would have to pictures of vaginas from women, but it does seem important to give due weight to the obvious, 'sociobiological hypothesis' before dispensing with it.
By that 'sociobiological hypothesis' I mean that dicks can be symbolic of threat (of rape leading to pregnancy), whereas vaginas cannot. What was once a purely biological and animalistic thing amongst pre-humans has now become refined into a question of 'taste and good manners'. A man with good manners is said to be a gentleman - a gentle man. A gentle man would not do anything physically threatening to a woman.
Right. Now I realise that there are all sorts of problems with this basic idea, but it does seem like the starting point - something properly to be dealt with before we all move off into vague (and, apparently disputed) ideas that 'women are into seeing men holistically; men see women as a collection of disparate sexual bits', or that 'women aren't as visual as men'.
To show all my cards: I don't know why men send pics of their dicks. I've never had an urge to do that - no impulse at all. It's not something that's ever given me a buzz. A partner might get a pic of it, but only if she demanded it of me and even then she'd have to work hard to convince me that she wanted to see it. Basically, I'm saying that there's not just stuff that I can't quite grasp about women, there's stuff about (a few, some, lots?) of other men I can't quite grasp, either.
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