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Foreign Applicants - 10/17/2004 1:33:32 PM

GoddessDustyGold

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First of all I want to say that I did a search and found a thread regarding this from several months ago (Feb 2004) and I have reviewed it. But I would like to re-open this discussion in a bit of a different vein.

I seems that lately I am receiving a plethora of emails from foreign subs/slaves. Many European and some third world. Also Aussies and many Canadians. Some wish to enter the country on a temporary Visa and then stay illegally. I will not do this. Most of them are very young, which does not thrill Me. 18, 21, 23, 28. I used to answer the few I got with a thanks, but it is too difficult and complicated to deal with foreign applicants. Now it seems every other email I get is from a foreign country. In the few chats I have had, no one has asked Me for money, so that is a plus.

I also question the reason they seek to get into the USA. I always feel there is a possiblity I am being used. And in today's political climate, who knows what someone's true intentions are? But I did chat with a male from India last night who told Me has has been trying and has received several rude and degrading email responses from several Dominas on from this site. He was on webcam in an Internet cafe, and he was truly crying with the humiliation of these responses. He seems to work hard, and be very giving and very sincere. But the logisitcs of the whole thing puts Me off.

Is anyone else getting these emails, and how do you handle them? Other than MistressDread who gave info on the length of time and the various checklists that have to be completed, I wasn't able to learn too much.

Is anyone else getting these emails? Do you consider the investigation and possibility with any of these applicants? Thanks for your input here.

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RE: Foreign Applicants - 10/17/2004 2:18:39 PM

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I get them all the time too.. my response is "Get here" then look me up. I won't help you get here, but once you are here in my city then I will begin coorespondence with you. I usually never hear back from, them or get some excuse about how they need someone to sponser their Visa.. Something I won't do. If by some means they were independantly wealthy and can afford to travel the globe, then they can figure out a way to meet me in person.

If they are unable to trapse the globe in fun, then I pont them to careerbuilder.com and tell them to start looking for work and come over on a work visa.

But I do not seriously consider them unless they can demonstrate that they have the ability to travel to my city.

Ms. Eden

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RE: Foreign Applicants - 10/17/2004 2:25:10 PM

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Thank you Maitresse Eden for such a quick response. And as an addendum to My original Post, here is an email just received from another:
hi mistress,

i am real and serious slave.. i am from turkey,, my home will be your dungeon..you can come to turkey..you can stay at my home.. if you want, you will feed and train me
you be my goddess in my home...you make holiday also.. i will be under your control always...
my cell tel: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

So now I am supposed to go there????????????????

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RE: Foreign Applicants - 10/17/2004 4:19:24 PM

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quote:

hi mistress,

i am real and serious slave.. i am from turkey,, my home will be your dungeon..you can come to turkey..you can stay at my home.. if you want, you will feed and train me
you be my goddess in my home...you make holiday also.. i will be under your control always...
my cell tel: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

So now I am supposed to go there????????????????

My reply would be:

Dear Turkey,

Due to the subserviant treatment of women that is pervasive throughout most Muslim countries I have no desire to venture to visit your country, as I would feel an immediate discomfort with truly expressing myself, nor do I wish to see myself incarcerated in a foriegn country for doing so. I would expect a man of your age to be able to feed himself, as infantilism is NOT one of my fetishes. If you wish to provide me with a holiday, my preference is First Class airfare to Paris, or some other metropolitan city. Insofar as calling you overseas, again I must decline, as I have not yet seen anything aside from a brief cursery email from you to prove to me that you are sincere about serving.

If you truly wish to Serve me I suggest you invest in ROUNDTRIP airfare to my city, as well as local hotel accomidations for the duration of your stay. Once you have made them you may send me confirmation of your flight and room reservations and I will be more than happy to transport you to your hotel, or arrange for Taxi service. If I have advance notice of your arrival I will allot some time to meet with you and should I feel impressed with you, or wish to persue things, only then will I be willing to consider allowing you to see my dungeon.

Mistress.

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RE: Foreign Applicants - 10/17/2004 4:56:10 PM

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I got the same email, along with another Mistress here. I'm not even listed as a Mistress myself..lol. He's evidently, sending them out by the dozens. I'd just write him off.

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RE: Foreign Applicants - 10/17/2004 6:52:46 PM

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My approach seems to be slightly different than the others posted here or on the previous thread. I tend to respond cordially, but still with a no thank you. If they appear to be having difficulty communicating clearly in English I send a corrected version of their email or if when I view their profile I see obvious spelling or gramatical errors. RARELY do I hear from them again (not because I have been rude). I believe it is more likely that they do not see this as an opportunity to hone their communication skills, but as a put down. Sundew

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RE: Foreign Applicants - 10/17/2004 7:03:00 PM

MistressZanthia

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I've had a plethora of them too, and truthfully you never know when you'll find a gem among them. I did just that last year and spent December with him in Belgium. Wish he was ready to move here or I was able to speak Nederlands fluently enough to work there... drat and dratola. Love that Belgian. An absolutely incredible man and wonderful submissive.

I think it truly depends on where they hail from. Mid Eastern countries are more likely to induce culture shock for both parties, but Western Europe, there isn't a lot of difference and most of them speak English fluently and are generally nice gentlemen. I definitely appreciate their attitudes more than the standard American males, who have a tendency to be "do me" boys. *arggh*

But considering an LDR is a tough thing. Really hard to do unless someone's independently wealthy...

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RE: Foreign Applicants - 10/17/2004 8:33:53 PM

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It was explained to me from several friends who are Western Europeans that getting into the USA on a permanent basis.. is time consuming but not all that difficult. There are several methods all legal to do so.. Still my response is to be wary of someone willing to leave life and limb ... perhaps I miss the gems amoung the dross.. and perhaps not..

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RE: Foreign Applicants - 10/17/2004 8:48:45 PM

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quote:

i am real and serious slave.. i am from turkey,,

This same email was discussed here:
yet another message

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RE: Foreign Applicants - 10/17/2004 10:06:52 PM

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I think we all get these. I take them at face value (altho I often suspect they are just trying for entry to the US) and tell them politely that I do not believe in relocation, because out of the 12 I know about, only one couple is together after a year. Locally, I know one Domme and two subs who relocated with it not working. These are people within the US, so culture shock is not as bad (altho it is still there. I moved from small town Ohio to Southern California. I spent months with a bemused look on my face.) Even if a person is serious about wanting to serve, the realities of not being able to get to know someone beforehand is hard. When you do short visits, people are on best behaviour. It keeps the honeymoon period going and you can't judge who the person is reliably.

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RE: Foreign Applicants - 10/18/2004 12:37:18 AM

GoddessDustyGold

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Thank you all...I do get alot from Western European males and I do tend to spend a bit more time exploring a possibility with them.
Maitresse Eden, ROFLMAO...I just might use that response!
Sundew, I have also corrected the English and grammar on a few emails with a suggestion to try again. I find that that, quite often, the Europeans take more time and care with writing the English language than the boy from Cincinatti or L.A. (as an example, of course). Of course, I never hear from them again!
and proud sub! thanks so much for that link! I see he was a Dom then...now he's a sub/slave! I needed that laugh.

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 10/18/2004 12:47:26 AM >

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RE: Foreign Applicants - 10/19/2004 11:29:16 AM

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I get replies from Sweeden, France, Bucherest, India, Aisa, Eastern and Western Europe. I think these people are 'do me's', want a green card or they will let you stay in their house for domination. I for one wouldn't do it. There are pleanty of subs in the USA for me. I usally tell them they can come to NYC to see me. I will make time for them when I can verify that they have plane flights and hotel reservations. Never has one of these men come to the USA. I don't think they have the money. They seem to think that we make enough money to travel all over the place. They forget the rules from the beginning of time that the male has to impress the female.

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RE: Foreign Applicants - 10/20/2004 4:10:18 AM

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From my point of wiew, You, Mistresses, will agree with me.

The best way to ensure "foreign submission" is an a invitation to travel abroad.
If I pay for your accomodation and trip, invite you to be served where I live, you will feel more confortable choosing me afterwards.
Checking the real life of a submissive would allow you to know enough for your future relationship.
Devotely yours

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RE: Foreign Applicants - 10/20/2004 4:36:27 AM

GoddessDustyGold

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quote:

ORIGINAL: frenchvalet

From my point of wiew, You, Mistresses, will agree with me.

The best way to ensure "foreign submission" is an a invitation to travel abroad.
If I pay for your accomodation and trip, invite you to be served where I live, you will feel more confortable choosing me afterwards.
Checking the real life of a submissive would allow you to know enough for your future relationship.
Devotely yours

Well, welcome to collarme and the boards, frenchvalet! I see your profile is still pending, unless you have just recently updated. If you are brand new here, I commend you for taking the time to check out the message boards so quickly!
Now, I, Myself, would wish to get to know more about you before I hopped a plane to Cannes, but, just so you know, I only travel first class!

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 10/20/2004 4:37:21 AM >

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RE: Foreign Applicants - 10/20/2004 5:32:03 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: frenchvalet

From my point of wiew, You, Mistresses, will agree with me.

The best way to ensure "foreign submission" is an a invitation to travel abroad.
If I pay for your accomodation and trip, invite you to be served where I live, you will feel more confortable choosing me afterwards.
Checking the real life of a submissive would allow you to know enough for your future relationship.
Devotely yours

Sorry, I disagree. While a trip abroad would be heavenly, I would never fly to another country and stay with someone I don't know, and where I know no one else, and a language barrier would also be a factor. My safety is alway of paramount concern. Something I would consider in travelling abroad is meeting someone in a neutral city.. such at the OWK. Or one that I am familiar with already, and have friends in that I could turn to just in case. I know that sounds as if I don't trust. But the truth of the matter is, it is often the practice to lure woman to exotic locals only to victimise them in some way.

Nothing against the foriegners.. but they can come here to visit first, or meet me at the OWK, or in the UK where I have a network of friends. Then after proving themself to be trustworthy, and compatible I may agree to visit them.

Ms. Eden

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RE: Foreign Applicants - 10/22/2004 3:52:34 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden

Sorry, I disagree. While a trip abroad would be heavenly, I would never fly to another country and stay with someone I don't know, and where I know no one else, and a language barrier would also be a factor. My safety is alway of paramount concern.

Agreed, Ms. Eden. I was a bit tongue in cheek in My response, making assumptions of knowing someone better before hopping on a plane. I do expect an applicant to come to Me, and also to meet in a neutral and safe environment. A strange country, no support system and the ensuing language barriers, do not a safe environment make!

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 10/22/2004 3:54:54 PM >

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RE: Foreign Applicants - 10/22/2004 5:35:31 PM

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As for men in countries where Women are abuses, I take them on as Distance Trainees (I have two, so far) and regularly refer them to My website on which I have put up the lesson for the period. I instruct them along with my American DTees. I do not simplify My English for them, nor do I correct their words, but I do give them a word to learn each time.

They will follow My dictates as set forth in My online Mandamus section and, since they cannot serve Me directly, they are to serve *all* Women in their country in my stead. They are told to help a widow (In Islamic countries, widows are horribly treated. Read up on it and shudder!) or other destitute Woman, to do it anonymously and to report back to Me.

This accomplishes several things: it shows them they will NOT get an invitation to the US, it gives them an opportunity to brush up on their English, it gives the women of their countries assistance and it gives them a chance to be someone's slave. I do not have to do any extra 'work' except for emails, and it may help some inknown Islamic Woman who, otherwise, might starve. Since they are required to help out anonymously, it prevents the Woman's family (if She has one) from Honour-killing Her, which they would do if She were to contact any man!) and prevents My slave from getting into trouble, himself.

Yes all the 'trappings' of BDSM are present, worshipping my picture, ritual bathing, etc as I require of all My slaves, but this technique also gives real help to My unknown Sisters that otherwise might suffer from abuse or neglect.

Lady Sonelle

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