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MileHighM -> RE: Perry OpEd On Social Security (9/13/2011 9:48:28 AM)
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
One would think that someone as smart as you could do a little research. There are many in the u.s. who are not part of the ss system...senators,congressmen/women and a particular ventura county ca. sheriff's deputy who no longer has a ss number.
So now it is time to see if you are as smart as you think you are
You have made claims you can opt if you like...Yet, you refuse to just answer the question directly.
The simple truth is you really can't just opt out.
While there are some notable exemptions:
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There are a number of groups of workers who are exempted from having to pay Social Security taxes:
Federal employees hired before 1984 who elected to continue to participate in the federal retirement program instead of receiving part of their retirement under Social Security coverage.
State or local government workers (police officers, firefighters, and teachers) hired before March 31, 1986 and participating in their employers' alternative retirement system.
Ministers may choose whether or not they will participate in the Social Security program.
Self-employed workers with annual net earnings below $400.
Election workers earning $1,000 or less a year.
Household workers earning less than $1,500 per year.
Minor children with earnings from household work but for whom household work is not their principal occupation.
College students working under Federal Work Study programs, graduate students receiving stipends while working as teaching assistants, research assistants, or on fellowships, and most postdoctoral researchers.
Individuals who are members of certain religious groups such as the Amish and Mennonites.
When you look at those examples it is clear that the average person cannot just opt out. Sure they never have to accept or collect a check, but they have to pay. In all of those examples, you basically have to run for office and win, get a gov't job, or become destitute..... For all practical purposes, you can't just have a normal life making it in the private sector and opt out of SS.
Me, I don't want to opt out. I am fine with it. I just want to reform the system.
But, seriously, why do you have to be so damn snarky. I read your posts and virtually never state what you feel or think. You just ask little one line questions, or you stab in some crappy one line response which is often based on some BS technicality. Like this one, sure you 'technically' can opt out (if you jump through personal and moral hoops), but let's face it, that's bullshit. I'll give you credit when you pull it with Sanity, only b/c that's about what he offers to the debate. But if you really feel the need to prove someone wrong, prove it.
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