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Edwynn -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/14/2011 12:57:21 PM)
I took a glimpse into the sweet corn thread, saw not much new that I hadn't read 20 years ago, including all the comments about how unsafe organic farming was (that as has existed and sustained mankind for milenia after milenia prior to the 20'th century). Yes, the usual "corporations are here to save the day! how did we survive so long without them!" tripe.

tj444 -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/14/2011 12:58:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MileHighM We just need broader labling laws, not just GMO, but everything. I think if you pass a more general law you will get it past the GMO crowd before they know the full impact....Then BAM! we got our labels. Question: Why hasn't the people's republic of Cali passed a law requiring the labling? They make virtually every business in the state paste a stick up that says the place contains cancer causing agents? Yes, I know! i was amazed, when i moved to Cali.. I would walk past one apartment building that didnt look that old (which i would guess had to have past building permit and inspections.. duh!) but there it had a freaking label saying that materials used in the building might cause cancer... just amazing.. [sm=rofl.gif] About labels, there was some survey done and it found that if the gmos were labeled as such then people had no problem with them being sold.. the monsantos shot themselves in the foot when they lobbied the govt to make their gmos exempt. But that exemption given years ago could likely be why Cali has not required gmo labels, it might be against the law for the state to mandate them, just a guess... [8\|]

tj444 -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/14/2011 1:11:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tolovetolaugh http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/are-biotech-foods-safe-to-eat I never realised how prevalent GMO foods were- " Experts say 60% to 70% of processed foods on U.S. grocery shelves have genetically modified ingredients." "Regulation for genetically modified foods falls under three jurisdictions: The FDA, EPA, and USDA. But industry experts say the green light on market approval is left mostly to the companies creating the technology. Monsanto Co. dominates the industry, accounting for a 90% share of genetically modified crops worldwide. Dow Chemical Company and Syngenta AG, among others, control the rest." Apparently, the US is fighting with the Europe, over labeling. In the US GMO's are not on labels, whereas in Europe they specify when GMO's are in a product. The US is butting it's head in and trying to make them stop with the labeling. Why should the US care how another country labels its food? Why is the US not labeling when GMO's are in food? "One reason food companies may shy away from labeling genetically modified food is the possibility of consumer rejection. Public opposition has had some effect, as seen in Europe, where the EU has banned genetically modified foods despite the U.S.' wishes. American companies have vowed not to sell products made with genetically modified ingredients there, yet some of the same companies continue to sell them in the U.S., Archer says." The GMO backers have even tried to get their products stamped as organic, on the basis of concept of substantial equivalence. Which means products should be treated the same if it has the same basic characteristics. There are also concerns GMO's could be one of the reasons cancer is becoming more and more widespread. How do you feel about GMO foods, and our current regulatory system on them? Ps. I started looking at GMOs after finishing a book called Season of the Harvest, and want to look into it more before I form an opinion. The US is battling with Europe cuz the freaking gmo companies are american and they have put pressure on the US govt to help them to expand worldwide. They lobbied the govt years ago to exempt their industry from regs and rules (the ones they didnt want). They have weaseled their way into the developing countries under the guise of charity food for starving people but then the farmers there find out (as farmers here did) that you gotta buy their seed every year and not save any and you have to buy their chemicals/round-up. It will be interesting to see all the generic gmos once their patents run out (China already has a half price generic round-up). Yes, i most definately think they should be labeled, especially after reading about a gmo corn that had protein from brazil nuts in it and of course there are people out there that are allergic to freaking nuts, and so there is a substantial risk, just based on that imo. Btw, that particular corn did get into the food system. [>:]

MileHighM -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/14/2011 1:15:05 PM)
Has the law stopped Cali before?

DomKen -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/14/2011 2:04:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tolovetolaugh Apparently, the US is fighting with the Europe, over labeling. In the US GMO's are not on labels, whereas in Europe they specify when GMO's are in a product. The US is butting it's head in and trying to make them stop with the labeling. Why should the US care how another country labels its food? Why is the US not labeling when GMO's are in food? And the Europeans are messing with us over labeling cans of tuna as dolphin safe. http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds381_e.htm If they want to label GMO products they should stop trying to force us to not label canned tuna that doesn't kill dolphins.

Politesub53 -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/14/2011 3:42:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen If they want to label GMO products they should stop trying to force us to not label canned tuna that doesn't kill dolphins. It doesnt seem to me that the EU is trying to force you to do anything. Below (from your link) seems more about America and Mexico. On 24 October 2008, Mexico requested consultations with the United States in relation to certain measures taken by the latter concerning the importation, marketing and sale of tuna and tuna products. Mexico alleges that the US measures have the effect of prohibiting the labelling of Mexican tuna and tuna products as “dolphin-safe”, even when the tuna has been harvested by means that comply with the multilaterally agreed “dolphin-safe” standard established by the Inter-American Tropical Tuna Commission, while tuna products from most other countries, including the United States, are allowed to be labelled as “dolphin-safe”.

Politesub53 -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/14/2011 3:46:21 PM)
Food companies in general are against labelling, as has been said, the consumer should have the info and make his or her own choice. That said, the labelling system is flawed. GM corn needs a label in parts of the EU, while Beef products from animals raised on GM corn doesnt. Although the main problem with meat is poor sanitary methods both on factory farms and in slaughter houses. This is one of the main ways of catching E-Coli

tj444 -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/14/2011 4:03:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MileHighM Has the law stopped Cali before? Well, I dont really know if it has or if Cali (or any other state) has ever tried, but if those regulations (from the fed agencies) have jurisdiction and control the entire US then trying to go against them and require labels in certain states would likely have the feds coming down on them like a hammer (think new state illegal immigration laws challenged in court by the feds). Again thats just a guess on my part...

MileHighM -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/14/2011 4:04:04 PM)
good point on the labelling

MileHighM -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/14/2011 4:07:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: MileHighM Has the law stopped Cali before? Well, I dont really know if it has or if Cali (or any other state) has ever tried, but if those regulations (from the fed agencies) have jurisdiction and control the entire US then trying to go against them and require labels in certain states would likely have the feds coming down on them like a hammer (think new state illegal immigration laws challenged in court by the feds). Again thats just a guess on my part... They wouldn't right now, Obama wouldn't want to piss off the cali electorate. He would want to keep that state a lock, no point in wasting campaign dollars. Look at the policies towards med-maryjane. I think the average cullyfornian (Arnold speak) would want labels and think it is a big deal.

tj444 -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/14/2011 11:49:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MileHighM quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: MileHighM Has the law stopped Cali before? Well, I dont really know if it has or if Cali (or any other state) has ever tried, but if those regulations (from the fed agencies) have jurisdiction and control the entire US then trying to go against them and require labels in certain states would likely have the feds coming down on them like a hammer (think new state illegal immigration laws challenged in court by the feds). Again thats just a guess on my part... They wouldn't right now, Obama wouldn't want to piss off the cali electorate. He would want to keep that state a lock, no point in wasting campaign dollars. Look at the policies towards med-maryjane. I think the average cullyfornian (Arnold speak) would want labels and think it is a big deal. lol Well, cali is so screwed up that the govt there has bigger fish to fry, like just trying to stay afloat without having to send out IOUs.. again!!!.. So, imo, labels for gmo would be pretty low on the list.

DomKen -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/15/2011 6:06:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen If they want to label GMO products they should stop trying to force us to not label canned tuna that doesn't kill dolphins. It doesnt seem to me that the EU is trying to force you to do anything. Below (from your link) seems more about America and Mexico. On 24 October 2008, Mexico requested consultations with the United States in relation to certain measures taken by the latter concerning the importation, marketing and sale of tuna and tuna products. Mexico alleges that the US measures have the effect of prohibiting the labelling of Mexican tuna and tuna products as “dolphin-safe”, even when the tuna has been harvested by means that comply with the multilaterally agreed “dolphin-safe” standard established by the Inter-American Tropical Tuna Commission, while tuna products from most other countries, including the United States, are allowed to be labelled as “dolphin-safe”. Check the list of third parties. The only reason Mexico is pursuing this is they have the EU's support.

tolovetolaugh -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/15/2011 6:26:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen If they want to label GMO products they should stop trying to force us to not label canned tuna that doesn't kill dolphins. It doesnt seem to me that the EU is trying to force you to do anything. Below (from your link) seems more about America and Mexico. On 24 October 2008, Mexico requested consultations with the United States in relation to certain measures taken by the latter concerning the importation, marketing and sale of tuna and tuna products. Mexico alleges that the US measures have the effect of prohibiting the labelling of Mexican tuna and tuna products as “dolphin-safe”, even when the tuna has been harvested by means that comply with the multilaterally agreed “dolphin-safe” standard established by the Inter-American Tropical Tuna Commission, while tuna products from most other countries, including the United States, are allowed to be labelled as “dolphin-safe”. Check the list of third parties. The only reason Mexico is pursuing this is they have the EU's support. I don't see anything wrong there. If it's dolphin safe, let it be labeled so. With the GMOs, we don't even know, and are given no real choice in the matter unless we want to go kill or grow something ourselves.

DomKen -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/15/2011 12:25:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tolovetolaugh quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen If they want to label GMO products they should stop trying to force us to not label canned tuna that doesn't kill dolphins. It doesnt seem to me that the EU is trying to force you to do anything. Below (from your link) seems more about America and Mexico. On 24 October 2008, Mexico requested consultations with the United States in relation to certain measures taken by the latter concerning the importation, marketing and sale of tuna and tuna products. Mexico alleges that the US measures have the effect of prohibiting the labelling of Mexican tuna and tuna products as “dolphin-safe”, even when the tuna has been harvested by means that comply with the multilaterally agreed “dolphin-safe” standard established by the Inter-American Tropical Tuna Commission, while tuna products from most other countries, including the United States, are allowed to be labelled as “dolphin-safe”. Check the list of third parties. The only reason Mexico is pursuing this is they have the EU's support. I don't see anything wrong there. If it's dolphin safe, let it be labeled so. With the GMOs, we don't even know, and are given no real choice in the matter unless we want to go kill or grow something ourselves. The EU is trying to force the dolphin safe labeling off US tuna. Apparently they process a lot of the dolphin slaughterers tuna and want to dump it in the US cheap.

Politesub53 -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/15/2011 1:18:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Check the list of third parties. The only reason Mexico is pursuing this is they have the EU's support. Nothing in the link ( provided by you ) substantiates your bold claim. It just says third parties are interested in joining the talks. I`d like to see anything backing your claim about EU dumping Tuna, the use of "Apparently" just doesnt cut it as evidence . In any event your claim doesnt make sense, your wording seems to suggest that you think the EU is trying to stop the US from labelling Tuna as Dolphin safe. That makes no sense to me since EU tuna is labelled as such ? Apologies if I have misread your post.

SternSkipper -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/15/2011 2:37:15 PM)
quote: An WHO has been leading the charge on removing regulations and preventing new ones from being put in place? The Republican Party! I agree with you on the Poli-Biz going on at a grand scale... I just commented on whether or not I, or anyone at this stage really has the answer to the safety question. I have a feeling that at least to some degree we'll find out that on certain levels, we've been Phillip Morris'ed again. But the proof just isn't there yet ... Or its buried deep as fuck!

FirstQuaker -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/15/2011 2:50:42 PM)
They have no more of a clue what is safe and what isn't hen they did about radiation and radioactive materials a hundred years ago. One mistake could remove a whole type of food such as corn or wheat form the food chain. The people who bred potatoes or corn have thousands of varieties, of which some are fugual or viral resiotiant and others grew in differing climates. For instance I think there are about five commerical varietis of corn. And one reason for the Iriah potato famine was the lack of resistance to the variety of potato the Irish had, unlike th eSouth Americans who have several thousand varsities. And it can be as simple as the engineered salmon/eel combination they are farming in eastern Canada violating the religious taboos both Muslims and Jews have against eating eel. (Never mind the spider/goat hybrid.) Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something.

SternSkipper -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/15/2011 3:00:41 PM)
quote: To get back to SternSkipper's post, I think that it might be possible to come up with bio-engineering as would actually be of benefit to humans and to the planet as a whole. Sure, there'll be benefits... no one's in a position right now to say there won't be risks as well. In fact,given the direction of emphasis some reads such as Firm have already alluded to, there may be some real big gotchyas. I spend a bit extra for my veggies but i get all locally grown organics. And the biggest reason ISN'T safety (not directly anyway). It's two-fold the local sweetcorn, peppers, tomatoes, and varied squash TASTE WAY THE FUCK BETTER[:D] ... And it supports preservation of naturally resistant seed.

SternSkipper -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/15/2011 3:06:39 PM)
quote: (that as has existed and sustained mankind for milenia after milenia prior to the 20'th century). hey buster - those bastard organics you've been so cozy with for millenniums, have no patent # and won't work with the major food producers to be any cheaper or grow in toxic waste. Wouldn't you rather trust a tomato with a signed NDA and Non-Compete in the package?[:D]

DomKen -> RE: How safe are GMO's? (9/16/2011 9:20:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Check the list of third parties. The only reason Mexico is pursuing this is they have the EU's support. Nothing in the link ( provided by you ) substantiates your bold claim. It just says third parties are interested in joining the talks. I`d like to see anything backing your claim about EU dumping Tuna, the use of "Apparently" just doesnt cut it as evidence . In any event your claim doesnt make sense, your wording seems to suggest that you think the EU is trying to stop the US from labelling Tuna as Dolphin safe. That makes no sense to me since EU tuna is labelled as such ? Apologies if I have misread your post. Here you go. http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/envir_e/edis04_e.htm It has always been the EU (or EC) pushing this since back in the 90's.

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