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Lube problems - 9/15/2011 11:09:09 PM   
CynthiaWVirginia


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I did go to a gyn over this, after having gone to my regular doctor. I was just blown off and was told I am fine. I am NOT fine.

Eons ago when I used to be sexually active, before I had chemos for lymphoma (NHL) four times...and consequently have been going through perio menopause that my gyn would not give me hormone replacement therapy for because of the cancer I had had...I used to have a comfortable sex life when I wanted one.

I am not having sex with my sub until the love I feel turns into also being "in love", however I do want to enjoy some heavy petting. And I need time to prepare to handle his girth and genital piercings (four ladders and a PA) without ripping them all to H and back when the time comes. I had him buy a fisting book, lol, cuz I hate cold plastic up my vagina for any reason. Sorry for the TMI for any who are easily offended.

Bty, my son was born cesarean...I have been celibate...and I don't even use tampons cuz they are too uncomfortable.

When I went to the gyn a few days ago, the two fingers hurt and the small speculuum hurt like H, but the doc said everything was fine and there was no reason not to be having sex. I went to my sub, thinking that the wrong thing that happened last time would not happen this time...

When I had my sub put his lubed and gloved two fingers inside and had him hold still, used a vibe on my clit and then afterward had him remove his hand...it felt like my insides were being ripped out. Yeah, ouch DAMMIT. (I wanted him to feel me having several but not let him have any orgasms that night, lol.) I was very sore for three days afterward. This time we tried the same thing, only bare handed with a different lube and had the same results as before.

I do not have a latex allergy, I would have had problems when I wear them to...play with my sub. Besides, having him go gloveless proved that the problem was not the latex. The lubes we have used have been: Equate Personal Lubricant Jelly, Natureplex Warm Touch, and finally, KY Sensitive Jelly (which was supposed to be non-irritating and hypo-allergenic.)

I asked for every test under the sun STD wise, both me and my sub will be doing this and my appointment came first. I have to wait two weeks for all the results to come in...but I have been celibate for what seems like forever and my previous paps and whatnot all came back fine, so I am thinking that my hormones might be messed up (no, I was not given a blood test) and plan to talk more with my gyn but I might need to know what is wrong and what I need before I go in to see him again. This is how it often goes here in WV. Years ago when mom had her hysterectomy her vagina dried up and felt almost chapped when she walked, as mine does from time to time, and she had some topical medicine or insert or something that would make...*coughs*...her pussy get wet. No, I am NOT going to ask my mother what the doc gave her to use over twenty years ago.

Has anyone had this problem? Is there some other lube I should be trying out if these don't work? Something I should be asking the doctor for?

Thanks in advance.
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RE: Lube problems - 9/15/2011 11:44:22 PM   
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I had this problem from the time my daughter was born 20 years ago up until I'd say 10 years ago. I went from doctor to doctor. I was told at first there was nothing wrong with me, another told me it was probably due to epesiotomy scar tissue from the birth of my daughter, from the fibroids that I get <which is a very real possibility> but in the end I wrote it off as emotional trauma. I was in relationships that were not working, sexual assaults and just all around sexual problems.

The more I got my life in order and the older I became the less problems I seemed to have. These days I rarely seem to have problems although they do crop up from time to time but usually when I'm under a lot of major stress.

Now I don't know if it's because I just outgrew the problems due to age and my body healing itself or what...I dunno. My only advice is to get a second opinion and try to isolate the problems...is there a certain time of month? After certain foods or drinks? Have a lot of stress or trauma in your life?

Maybe try to find a doctor who specializes in such issues and good luck.


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RE: Lube problems - 9/16/2011 7:45:32 AM   
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CynthiaWVirginia, I hope you are ok by now, feeling good, please keep us posted,
Sorry I can not help,
but, I will put you into my prayers,


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RE: Lube problems - 9/16/2011 10:19:26 AM   
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Wrong type of doctor. You would think an ob/gyn would be the person to go to for female sexual dysfunction. Not so. You need a urologist who specializes in female difficulties. The ones knowledgeable in female sexuality are a small minority of a small minority of physicians. Most urologists who specialize in treating women only treat pelvic floor problems as a result of pregnancy (incontinence). I'm not sure where the nearest teaching hospital to you is, but that's where I would start looking myself.

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RE: Lube problems - 9/16/2011 12:05:34 PM   
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CWV-
If lack of lubrication is the problem, you might want to try a silicone-based type. The water-based lubes you've tried contain either propylene glycol or glycerin, both of which can cause irritation.

I'm a cosmetic crafter. When I had a hysterectomy 3 years ago I had problems such as you describe. I didn't like anything commercially available so formulated a silicone based lube for myself (and anyone else who liked it), field tested it with 200 people in all kinds of applications and got my Gyn's endorsement. It is completely inert, fragrance- and preservative-free, nonallergenic, super long lasting, waterproof and can easily be removed with soap and water. It can be used anywhere on or in the body (except eyes). It's also nifty as a hair detangler/conditioner/shine-enhancer and makes a great massage base that slides without being oily. A few drops added to your favorite lotion will make the driest skin silky smooth.

I would be happy to send you some to try. If you're interested pm me on the other side and we can figure out how best to get it to you.

If lack of lubrication isn't actually the problem, it could be something internal like fibroids if you still have your uterus or in my case there was a misdiagnosed hemorrhagic cyst in the muscle wall of my pelvis. See a professional. There are also physical therapists who specialize in pelvic pain. I can vouch for their effectiveness...the PT who helped me after the hysterectomy provided relief no one else could.

To your good health!

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RE: Lube problems - 9/16/2011 12:07:36 PM   
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Thank you, littlewonder. As well as this being a physical problem, I am having lots of panic attacks as a direct consequence of mixing vanilla with my D/s relationship. My boy cannot help but push bad buttons from time to time and we are dealing with this as they come up. Last night I had him standing next to my computer chair and was biting his butt dozens of times while fondling...something ...and for no reason, out of the blue, I started having a hard panic attack flood my brain with ucky chemicals. I alerted him to this and told him I needed him to turn around and hug me until I told him I was okay. It took over twenty minutes before my body absorbed all that nasty adrenaline.

My PTSD is also triggered by certain types of caucasian males who have hair on their face, and when I dated in vanilla I tended to avoid these triggers by sticking with ethnic guys. With past subs, I didn't have a problem, neither have I had to deal with this with bottoms...no other past D/s relationships have triggered panic attacks, and I believe it is happening now because I am mixing D/s with vanilla and because I consider him my boyfriend as well as my sub. And because our relationship will help me heal by writing over bad vanilla things from my past.

So yes, you are right in that my past is biting us in the butt. I had not considered making a food diary to see if certain foods or drinks can be contributing to this. My pain level has been exceptionally high these past weeks because we had an oops while scening that wrecked my right knee for a while...nothing new, just more intense pain than usual, and pain shoots my blood pressure up. My family doc put me on high blood pressure meds four days ago, but I have been getting at least a dozen muscle spasms per day ever since and went off of them last night, and plan to contact him as soon as I get home. So, yes, stress and pain can be messing up my body chemistry and is helping to make things more difficult.

My kid never made it past my cervix, and I mean at maybe almost full dilation, lol. Thank God I do not have any epesiotomy scars to deal with (my sister had those and she had pain with each time she had sex with her husband for over ten years aferward), however, I have a lot of bad "skin memories" to work through, including growing together "down there" as a six year old and having to go to the doctor every week for seven months to get cut open and stuffed with cotton. Mom ended up getting a second full time job to pay for a specialist to take care of my hormone problem...this was solved by having me put some cream to my vulva two times per day, but the medical insurance we were on at the time was quite happy to save money (?!) by having a six year old cut open down there every week until doomsday rather than pony up for a specialist.

If I hadn't been in remission for these past five years from my lymphoma, I would not have given this man a chance to be more to me...I would have stuck to a more limited relationship. For years I refused to date because of my cancer issues, and only recently have I been receptive to getting a boyfriend. It was because of this man...he is worth it.

I will look into finding another doctor.

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RE: Lube problems - 9/16/2011 12:11:57 PM   
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CynthiaWVirginia, I hope you are ok by now, feeling good, please keep us posted,
Sorry I can not help,
but, I will put you into my prayers,



Thank you, ashjor911. I appreciate your support anyway, I can feel it from here in WV. Even though you do not have any possible solutions, help from God is always a blessing, so thanks for the prayers.

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RE: Lube problems - 9/16/2011 1:03:09 PM   
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Wrong type of doctor. You would think an ob/gyn would be the person to go to for female sexual dysfunction. Not so. You need a urologist who specializes in female difficulties. The ones knowledgeable in female sexuality are a small minority of a small minority of physicians. Most urologists who specialize in treating women only treat pelvic floor problems as a result of pregnancy (incontinence). I'm not sure where the nearest teaching hospital to you is, but that's where I would start looking myself.


YESSSSS! Thank you! I asked my sub and he says he knows of a teaching hospital an hour or so away. I will have him phone and find out if they have a urologist who specializes in female problems.

Several years back I goofed up my G-spot as well. My ex-husband had phoned and had read some world record or something about female multiple orgasms and his mind was blown, lol. He dared me to try to beat that record and weeks later my curiosity got to me and I tried. Had to stop using my vibe on my clit after 47 orgasms in about an hour because my blood sugar got too low. I couldn't twitch a finger or move off the bed even if the house caught on fire. There were some nasty consequences from this, some temporary and one seems to be permanent. Temporary problems included vicious cramps every time I tightened my tummy for any reason, like...getting out of bed or bending down to put on my sox...and this went on for several days to a week. Another problem that has improved over time is peeing. For the fist two months it was very difficult to pee, this was so surprising and I think I could not get it all out each time because I kept getting bladder infections. A consequence that took two years to go away was nasty pinching somewhere in my female parts, I don't know where, that happened with each orgasm, every blessed time, that killed my enjoyment. All of these problems are gone now, except for that pesky G-spot problem, where I am always uncomfortable, especially after 3-8 orgasms (I never go for just one). I feel a swelling in the upper wall of my vagina and it burns and hurts. Yes, I told the gyn all of this and he still said I was fine. Aargh!

Yes, all the male doctors were intensely stuck on the fact that I had had 47 orgasms in a row, moreso than focused on any problem that arose from this.

At home, I am experiencing a little bit of incontinence...sometimes these boards are so funny I laugh until I...um...wet my pants a little bit. I thought this was just hormones, as I am 47 and have had chemos several times in the past that goofed up with the little remaining hormones I do have left. It is the strangest thing though...while I am with my sub for three days every week, it NEVER happens. Yeah, I'm glad it never happens here at his home, but it still puzzles me. I have also been dealing with what seems to be an allergy to some men's ejaculate over the years and yes, I am worried I will react to my sub's. We did find that Magnum makes an even larger size of condom, as he fit into the regular size of Magnum before his piercings. The larger size is needed because of a frenum ladder (five barbels long) and three other ladders...and I want him to keep his ladders unless we find it absolutely impossible. I just don't know for how long we be able to use those when the time comes, and worried for a while if I would have a latex allergy to this particular condom. I am getting on the pill for some backup, after arguing with my gyn about it. I am just not prepared to get knocked up at the age of 47, and am not willing to have another surgery if I can avoid it, as I have had enough with all the cancer surgeries over the years to last a lifetime. Next year is soon enough for my boy to get a vasectomy.

Thank you for offering me a way to find myself a doctor who cares and knows enough to help me with this.

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RE: Lube problems - 9/16/2011 1:25:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDarkArt

CWV-
If lack of lubrication is the problem, you might want to try a silicone-based type. The water-based lubes you've tried contain either propylene glycol or glycerin, both of which can cause irritation.

I'm a cosmetic crafter. When I had a hysterectomy 3 years ago I had problems such as you describe. I didn't like anything commercially available so formulated a silicone based lube for myself (and anyone else who liked it), field tested it with 200 people in all kinds of applications and got my Gyn's endorsement. It is completely inert, fragrance- and preservative-free, nonallergenic, super long lasting, waterproof and can easily be removed with soap and water. It can be used anywhere on or in the body (except eyes). It's also nifty as a hair detangler/conditioner/shine-enhancer and makes a great massage base that slides without being oily. A few drops added to your favorite lotion will make the driest skin silky smooth.

I would be happy to send you some to try. If you're interested pm me on the other side and we can figure out how best to get it to you.

If lack of lubrication isn't actually the problem, it could be something internal like fibroids if you still have your uterus or in my case there was a misdiagnosed hemorrhagic cyst in the muscle wall of my pelvis. See a professional. There are also physical therapists who specialize in pelvic pain. I can vouch for their effectiveness...the PT who helped me after the hysterectomy provided relief no one else could.

To your good health!



I am very interested in anything that will help, and yes about the silicone lube. I will contact you on the other side after I am back home.

My boy is also having problems, lube wise, when I dig out the latex gloves. Could not use the non-latex gloves as it hurt more. I used all three of those lubes I mentioned earlier on his bottom for anal play, even used Crisco once which worked a bit better than those other lubes. We are ready to try for something else. I cannot get over both of us having these painful and annoying sensitivities. I was used to enjoying an hour or so of fingering and prostate massage, and have had to limit myself to something like five or ten minutes. Last night with that lube for sensitive skin, it worked a little better...but after his verrrrry long orgasm his butt was way too sensitive for my fingers to stay inside, even when I held them still. Yeah, aaargh!

Thank you for looking into making better lubes, some of us really appreciate it.

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RE: Lube problems - 9/16/2011 2:37:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CynthiaWVirginia

Thank you, ashjor911. I appreciate your support anyway, I can feel it from here in WV. Even though you do not have any possible solutions, help from God is always a blessing, so thanks for the prayers.


I could give House MD a call, but I dont think he is going to pic it up untill OCT 3rd,
However, Hey may see This INTERSTING....

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ORIGINAL: CynthiaWVirginia

Yes, all the male doctors were intensely stuck on the fact that I had had 47 orgasms in a row, moreso than focused on any problem that arose from this.


GOOD........ LORD,


Hope you are doing fine,


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< Message edited by ashjor911 -- 9/16/2011 2:38:56 PM >


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RE: Lube problems - 9/16/2011 3:32:41 PM   
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I want to know how you managed to count them. I get up to about four and then forget what number I'm on. And yeah, he's gone for me having record breaking multiples in the past. And yes, the cramps afterward are pretty common.

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RE: Lube problems - 9/16/2011 8:02:43 PM   
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Sorry, DesFIP...... I did peeked into your profile just to conforum that you are a (SHE),


I always known from your talking that you are a (HE),......... Sorry


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RE: Lube problems - 9/16/2011 11:54:18 PM   
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ashjor911, lol, ya lil perv!

Part of the reason why I explained the drawbacks was to educate others about negative side effects...so if they see some internet record (or even read about my 47 in a row), they will be reasonable and not goof up dat pussy, yanno?

47 was NOT WORTH screwing up my orgasms for two years.  8 -12 at a time is good enough...multipy that by all the days in two years and you can see how I was grossly cheated out of hundreds of blissful orgasms, getting the ugly pinching ones instead.  I.  Avoided.  Having.  Orgasms.  Because they hurt.  Believe me, you do not want your woman to be avoiding orgasms with you.

At the same time I CAN appreciate your astonishment at how unfair life is.    If I could have gotten away with this...with no negative repercussions, I would be gloating.  Visions of male chastity devices and bucket loads of fresh batteries would be dancing in my head, mkay?  (Just to be evil for weeks or a month at a time.)

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To others who replied both in the forums and in private...thank you.  I am wiped out after spending hours driving home and will spend more time responding tomorrow.  I owe some of you letters.  Again, thanks. 

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RE: Lube problems - 9/17/2011 12:16:14 AM   
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quote:

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I want to know how you managed to count them. I get up to about four and then forget what number I'm on. And yeah, he's gone for me having record breaking multiples in the past. And yes, the cramps afterward are pretty common.


LOL, open a roll or two of pennies, put them in a shallow glass on the bed.  Before turning on the vibe again each time, toss a penny out.  After an orgasm, I have about thirty seconds where I am too sensitive to stand any stimulation and I turn the vibe off, so the "pay a penny to turn it back on" thing worked for me.  I had a towel next to me that nestled the penny glass and loose pennies. 

(I did not want to lose count and have to start counting all over again, starting with one.) 

How in the world did you manage it without messing up your G-spot?  For two long months afterward, I would have a bursting bladder and be sitting on that toilet for a good five minutes before I could begin to go pee, and then could not empty it all out.  Gah, I forgot...you had access to a man with either magic fingers or a magic...ah...wand. 

I have been wondering if sex will handle my G-spot problem. 

  I used to squirt enough to flood the bed and be accused of peeing all over it.  (It was NOT urine though.  Too slippery, not salty...and was sweet.) 

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RE: Lube problems - 9/17/2011 4:37:25 AM   
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No vibe, just his hands. Perhaps the vibe is the problem? It causes them to be harder and faster.

I got used to going to the bathroom, and then ten minutes going back and fully voiding the second time. But although he loved it when I would start cumming and never stop, it only happened on occasion and neither of us figured out why sometimes it would work and others it wouldn't. I seem to have lost that ability with menopause though.

The laundry issues never were solved. I'd have to get up and do laundry when I just wanted to pass out. Usually I'd put a dry towel on the bed and sleep on top of that.


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RE: Lube problems - 9/17/2011 9:42:56 AM   
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I have never even tried counting, It becomes impossible because whatever it is Hanners does it just makes them come so fast and close together that you can't tell one from another. It effectively just becomes one long orgasm that lasts and lasts until I pass out. It isn't just me, she can do it to Suze and Cheri as well.

The cramps afterward happen most of the time, that's really to be expected when you think about it. But none of us has had any of the other issues you mentioned, so I am inclined to think there may be some other medical and/or psychological issues going on as well.


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RE: Lube problems - 10/1/2011 8:04:21 AM   
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Cynthia --

So sorry to read of your issues.  Have you considered that some might be related to allergies and/or food sensitivities?
For whatever it's worth, and I am no expert on  medical or psychological issues, I (and many, many others) have have had surprising success with general health and well-being/mind clearing by eliminating certain foods (especially anything with flour, gluten, sugar--including fruit, limiting it, meats, dairy) and concentrating on others (sprouts, vegetables, mostly raw).  I am doing this by choice, without allergy testing.  It is pretty radical and it takes some time-- it's a process but it might be worth it.  Also, exercise and meditation might help with the frequency and intensity of the panic attacks.  Here's to your feeling better all over.

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