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The Industrial Coffin ? - 9/19/2011 8:14:14 AM

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From my history lessons when I was at school in the past, the Industrial Coffin referred to a roughly coffin shaped area plotted on the UK map that encompassed all the great industrial areas of the past, the places that fuelled the industrial revolution and also the areas with the densest populations to fire that industry, now become places of declined industry and economic hardship.

I was thinking, is what we are experiencing now in our western world just a large version of that industrial coffin, because our big industries have seemingly died or as has had happened in the UK, moved elsewhere to more profitable locations ?

All this political bullshit that is being spewed by the politicians trying to respond to the public need, could that simply be the same as what was spewed in the past in places where the industrial revolution grew and died, and so, can we look to the past and see our future ? If so, try observing those once great towns and areas where people emigrated to for a more prosperous life, a more prosperous life than the norm as it has been for thousands of years before, so in saying that, could the growth we experienced be no more than an imbalance of nature and what we are seeing now, is nature balancing itself ? But look at those areas of the past, poorer though they may be, but they function at a much reduced level, where it seems small businesses with lower economic yields exist to provide a reasonably stable living for the few involved, perhaps as it has always been before the revolution.

So, 'our' industry has gone to the far east and we suffer because of it, but if our economic vacation has passed us by, know then, it will also in time pass the far east by, and then what, where next, if at all, as perhaps industry on such a great level really isn't sustainable, perhaps not natural and nature will rebalance as it has done before.

But in the demise of 'our' industry we suffer so and that because past industry enabled the emigration of peoples from perhaps more thinned out locations to where it is all happening, perhaps such large concentrations of people are not natural and so we must disperse again to our past thinned out status, or else, well, large concentrations of people in one place with nothing to do equals the basic needs of living becoming thinned out and there fought over, look at the behaviour of rats.

So, as I am seeing it, never mind the politico's empty promises based on past grandeur, the past has gone and those that parasite off people should also wise up, less politicians needed for smaller areas, but in having smaller more dispersed areas, perhaps the world of politics might become more about serving those one represents than serving the self, just as perhaps a village spokesman, as that is what those we elect really are.

But what to the future, well, we can mourn it or we can move thoughtfully into it, scale down and disperse and there reap a living as has been before, as that is all anyone really needs, is a living as anything else is just excess. Where I see the future of our once great countries, is small businesses, businesses set up to service the local need, back to the past and much of the stability it offered.

I suppose there is much to be said about a light that burns twice as bright, lasts only half as long.

As to our consumer driven culture, do we really need it, or has the brainwashing passed it's sell be date, if we don't need it, don't waste your money on it and those that parasite off that brainwashing, fuck 'em, they like us can learn to do something else and take a dive like everyone else, we owe them nothing.

But as to 'our' industry, was it ever ours, for sure it should belong to those that started the business, the rest of us that were employed, were simply that, employed, so we never owned the industry, so it wasn't ours, and so it continues to wander the world raising expectations and then smashing them own, for what hardships lie in the wake of industrial revolution.

Perhaps as a world, we must learn to calm down and live on a more even keel, thin out our numbers and resist the temptation to buy for the sake of buying, as all buying does, is create the lust to buy more, it is an addiction.

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RE: The Industrial Coffin ? - 9/19/2011 9:26:03 AM

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Have you seen "The Corporation" documentary?

It compares the average corporation to the psychiatric definition of a psychopath, talks about supreme court decisions allowing corporate personhood, the patenting of genetics, the privatizing of clean water and clean air resources, the profiteering surrounding the events of 9/11, the manipulation of consumers into buying things they don't need, the legal fights behind genetically modified foods, its all in there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvPXR_6cn0s

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RE: The Industrial Coffin ? - 9/19/2011 4:48:28 PM

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My thanks, but I tend not to view more grist for the mill, as I find much tends to influence my own thought, but what I do say on these forums for better or worse is what I think, not others ideas via my keyboard.

But further thinking, the thormy subject of immigration, who fuels that idea, those who fight for jobs, or those who want to maximise profit ? As lets face it, we have all grown up with a mimimum standard of living and want to at least keep that or make it better as that is progress, natural progress, but we have in our midst, the employers who also want to better their stack, that perhaps being the primary goal of most businesses. But if we have a standard of living we wish to mainteain or better what breaks first, us or the employer ? For sure maximum profit can be attained with cheaper labour, if the product one sells is not a high volume or high value to keep us as a workforce, what's the option, go out of business or hire cheap labour and if we are not cheap, then it's immigrants or move where it is easy to find a readily available cheap workforce to maximise profit, enter the subject of outsourcing. But which is the most unacceptable, outsourcing, or hiring immigrant labour ?

But do employers care, well there are a few on these forums that say they have their own business, where it is assumed they may hire others as employees, but do they care about us, or does the profit come first ?

Now if any of those business owners stop by here, I would like to ask you, in all honesty what is more important, your profit, or your countrymen as your workforce ?

Now our governments, they say they care, but do they, or could it be they would like to care, but their strings are being pulled by business owners, as the government needs business owners and vice versa and that because favourable conditions of trading and the use of the military when it is needed, a military which has nerarly always been about protecting trade and others adventure in lands unfriendly until the military softens them up a bit.

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