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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/23/2011 3:57:04 PM   
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Maud'dib means 'teacher of manners' in arabic. Herbert clearly knew more about what he was writing than you do.

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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/23/2011 4:05:17 PM   
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Maud'dib means 'teacher of manners' in Arabic.

Herbert wrote it 'Muad Dib". I surmise that you made a typographical error?

Anyway, thank you for the interesting information - and for proving my point.

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Herbert clearly knew more about what he was writing than you do.

He most certainly is the better author.

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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/23/2011 4:09:24 PM   
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Even though, even with the 1984 movie, can you see what is hidden in the prose ?


A lot of sexuality?


The men rode giant penises that had mouths like giant vaginas WITH TEETH!

Paul and the Reverend Mother appear to have orgasms during the Gom Jabber test.

Need I go on?

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CTFU at Aylee!!!!!!!!!!  This did me in on a Friday night...scared my cat!!  Still laughing. How in the hell did I not see this?  I loved Dune, the book was amazing and the movie-so-so.

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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/23/2011 4:23:23 PM   
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Even though, even with the 1984 movie, can you see what is hidden in the prose ?


A lot of sexuality?


The men rode giant penises that had mouths like giant vaginas WITH TEETH!

Paul and the Reverend Mother appear to have orgasms during the Gom Jabber test.

Need I go on?

"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration."



CTFU at Aylee!!!!!!!!!!  This did me in on a Friday night...scared my cat!!  Still laughing. How in the hell did I not see this?  I loved Dune, the book was amazing and the movie-so-so.

Disclaimer: have not read any posts after this one yet. Aylee is a madwoman!! LOL
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"Summon the stork!"  LOL


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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/23/2011 4:53:53 PM   
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Herbert's son (with some help for Kenneth J. Anderson) has written a series of prequels that are better than any of the other books (except for Dune itself, of course).


Really, can I take that as an endorsement? Since we're in the same ballpark on the follow-ups and I've been wondering if his kid's were any good. I may just pick the first one up ... thanks




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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/23/2011 5:00:33 PM   
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In my experience the recommendations by other people are always suspect. Discovering a book one likes always is an individual exploration.

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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/23/2011 5:22:00 PM   
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One thing I do know about the original Dune despite the fact that it was highly inaccurate, was it was more artisticly extravagant in comparison to the TV series, but even the movie as was seen back in 1984 several times appeared to be missing something, a something which was later revealed when I viewed the director's cut, but even then it could have been better and more in tune with the actual novel which I believe the tv series nearly was.

But a pity Giger was too expensive.

Even though, even with the 1984 movie, can you see what is hidden in the prose ?


You do know that Frank Herbert's novel was loosely based on TE Lawrence's military career during the second world war? Them Fremen is Arabs. Of course there's a religious subtext.


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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/23/2011 6:04:51 PM   
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Oh bugger, is that one of the reasons Dune appeals to me, for I followed the works of Lawrence of Arabia from an early age, and quite possibly it fermented much of my world political perspective, but even now, I live a quarter of a mile from the air base he was stationed at under the name of SAC Shaw and even less distance from where he once lived, but I saw the house he lived in in Jiddah, and I was impressed, those people certainly know how to build houses for that heat, although with world energy crisi's emerging, I can see a return to the wind towers, because they work and are free to operate.

But if it is a fact that Herbert took inspiration from the writings of T.E.Lawrence, could it be what Lawrence found is something that is lacking in our world ?

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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/23/2011 6:36:17 PM   
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Herbert's son (with some help for Kenneth J. Anderson) has written a series of prequels that are better than any of the other books (except for Dune itself, of course).


Really, can I take that as an endorsement? Since we're in the same ballpark on the follow-ups and I've been wondering if his kid's were any good. I may just pick the first one up ... thanks

That was a recommendation.

I recently repurchased them in deadtree versions.  I've already read them in e-book versions.

They fill in the long history and background that leads up to Dune.

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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/23/2011 9:08:33 PM   
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I read the first few books of the series, and thought they were ok.  They seemed very choppy, though.  I felt it very easy to distinguish between the segments where the authors had good notes from Frank Herbert to work with, and where they were scrambling to get through the gaps.  At some point the gap-filling goo became too thick to wade through.

On the other hand, I really enjoyed the later books in the original series.

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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/25/2011 8:08:33 AM   
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quote:

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Herbert's son (with some help for Kenneth J. Anderson) has written a series of prequels that are better than any of the other books (except for Dune itself, of course).


Really, can I take that as an endorsement? Since we're in the same ballpark on the follow-ups and I've been wondering if his kid's were any good. I may just pick the first one up ... thanks





They're not half as good as Limpwrist's implying, sadly. Tiresome, by numbers, franchise milking along the lines of Timothy Zahn's Star Wars novels or Virginia Andrews' "inspired by" corpse novels. If you want another Dune book about the series' backstory, Willis McNelly's Dune Encyclopedia is a much better read.

Myself, I'd be a lot more interested to see the final volume Frank Herbert never got around to writing (the end of Chapterhouse Dune is obviously setting stuff up for another sequel) than any more of the prequels if they must churn out sharecrops.


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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/25/2011 8:16:09 AM   
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They're not half as good as Limpwrist's implying, sadly.

Am I to understand that you are referring to me as "Limpwrist"?

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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/25/2011 8:31:38 AM   
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They're not half as good as Limpwrist's implying, sadly.

Am I to understand that you are referring to me as "Limpwrist"?

Firm



Coming from FlaccidBrain thats a compliment.

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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/25/2011 12:00:29 PM   
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I loved Dune; I couldn't put it down.  Hated the movie.  Thought Kyle Maclachlan was awful and completely missed the character he was playing.  I've avoided anything he's ever been in like the plague ever since.  Too bad when he was turning blue it wasn't from asphyxiation.

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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/25/2011 7:51:04 PM   
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Regarding the Fremen's ancestry.

Im the prequels, it is fairly well spelled out.

2 related groups, zensunni and zenshia. (sunni and shiite). One is persecuted and taken as slaves among other atrocities. They end up being dumped on Arrakis where they learn to survive. Their language is also derived from Arabic although some of the words have altered or totally changed meanings. (Muad dib is an example)

Firm. Im disappointed you didn't see the parallels to the present day.

Desert dwelling tribesmen of Arab descent are in nominal control of a rare substance that is necessary for modern transportation.

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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/25/2011 8:13:33 PM   
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Bingo !

You got what I was thinking about, the spice is oil, the Fremen are the Arabs, the Landsraad is the rest of the world squabbling amongst ourselves to be top dog and oh btw, the Padishah emperors are the US, because they always hold power, the Harkonnen, erm, well, us, but what was Herbert getting at ? The Arabs and by that Islam is going to cleanse the world with a religious war, the Jihad ?

But as it appears Christianity has had it's day, it no longer features heavily on our lives and perhaps because of that morality has suffered, we seek material gain as opposed to spiritual gain, what's next ?

Islam is about 600 years behind Christianity, so if it follows the same pattern as Christianity, it has perhaps 600 years left to run before that is replaced by something else, he he, perhaps science and then we will all be rid of the hocus pocus and can perhaps move on. But if Islam becomes more moderate, which it stands to do, as even now it is moving that way in the west can we see it replacing what we currently have the lack of ?

Is the Jihad a return to morality ?

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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/25/2011 9:45:06 PM   
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I loved Dune; I couldn't put it down.  Hated the movie.  Thought Kyle Maclachlan was awful and completely missed the character he was playing.  I've avoided anything he's ever been in like the plague ever since.  Too bad when he was turning blue it wasn't from asphyxiation.


I loved the movie. But it was just because it was so weird. I didn't get around to reading the books until a few years ago.

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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/26/2011 12:33:07 AM   
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Firm. Im disappointed you didn't see the parallels to the present day.

Desert dwelling tribesmen of Arab descent are in nominal control of a rare substance that is necessary for modern transportation.

I didn't really comment specifically about Dune.  I just found the remaining books of the series ponderous.

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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/26/2011 12:54:22 AM   
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Bingo !

You got what I was thinking about, the spice is oil, the Fremen are the Arabs, the Landsraad is the rest of the world squabbling amongst ourselves to be top dog and oh btw, the Padishah emperors are the US, because they always hold power, the Harkonnen, erm, well, us, but what was Herbert getting at ? The Arabs and by that Islam is going to cleanse the world with a religious war, the Jihad ?

But as it appears Christianity has had it's day, it no longer features heavily on our lives and perhaps because of that morality has suffered, we seek material gain as opposed to spiritual gain, what's next ?

Islam is about 600 years behind Christianity, so if it follows the same pattern as Christianity, it has perhaps 600 years left to run before that is replaced by something else, he he, perhaps science and then we will all be rid of the hocus pocus and can perhaps move on. But if Islam becomes more moderate, which it stands to do, as even now it is moving that way in the west can we see it replacing what we currently have the lack of ?

Is the Jihad a return to morality ?


You got what I was thinking about, the spice is oil.
This. Herbert was worried about over-dependence on oil. Dune was based on eco terms. The warning line is when Muad Dib says, The people who can destroy a thing control it." It's his warning to the western world and could be seen as a call to arms for the 3rd world.

Is the Jihad a return to morality ?

I think Herbert makes it clear that jihad can be propagandized and made out to be a return to morality (And there's definite Emersonian transcendental ideals re the noble primitive/savage-see the line re "Wisdom comes from the desert, polish from the cities.") but that the main point of Jihad is to continue to propagate the species by a massive blending of the gene pool, something more akin to Tolstoys concept that people and events are just flotsam pulled along by the tides of history.

Stepping outside of that, Herbert blends in recognizable religions, (Zen sunni, OC bible etc...) blended with eastern taoist ideals and concepts (Prana bindu training, many of the Bene Gesserit skills) and runs them through a blender.

And of course, Muad Dib is just a re-telling of the Prophet, accompanied with a warning re politics and religion riding in the same applecart.



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RE: Dune by David Lynch - 9/26/2011 12:55:41 AM   
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And oh yes, all film versions not just suck, but are painful to watch and embarrassingly bad.

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