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xxblushesxx -> HPV shots? (10/23/2011 7:11:06 PM)

I have two young girls and the doctor is asking me to start getting their hpv shots now.

I haven't decided although I'm leaning toward getting them.

Does anyone have actual information (read, peer reviewed actual facts rather than gossip) about why I should or should not do so?

Thanks so much!



DeviantlyD -> RE: HPV shots? (10/23/2011 7:24:29 PM)

The discouraging part about HPV vaccines is that they are so new and haven't had the time to establish their efficacy versus complications in the population at large.

Here is a link from The Journal of the American Medical Association, a well known and respected medical journal.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/302/7/795.full

I don't envy your situation. If I were a parent, I'm not certain what decision I would make.



Ishtarr -> RE: HPV shots? (10/23/2011 7:29:42 PM)

I can't give you actually data, but I've been diagnosed with early stage 1 cervical cancer, which made our family doctor implore my parents to get my younger sisters vaccinated.
After extended research, they decided not to do it.



xxblushesxx -> RE: HPV shots? (10/23/2011 7:38:43 PM)

*crap* [>:]

Thanks guys for your help. That's exactly how I feel right now, damned if ya do and damned if ya don't. HM says I should. He's read all the latest studies, and writes, edits and reviews peer reviewed articles on all types of medical things.

But then again...I always say I never get anything unless it's been out at least 20 years. Because I always feel so bad for the people who did trust the doctors and bad things happened. PLUS, if it were just me, it would be easier. I'd probably just not do it. But it's not me, and well...I can argue myself to pieces with this one. Ugh.



Hisprettybaby -> RE: HPV shots? (10/23/2011 7:55:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx
Does anyone have actual information (read, peer reviewed actual facts rather than gossip) about why I should or should not do so?

Good thread. I'd be interested in any real information too.



peppermint -> RE: HPV shots? (10/23/2011 8:39:15 PM)

I don't have daughters so am not facing the sort of decision you are facing. I'm not sure what I would do. It's such a hard call to make.

However, I read your criteria of 20 years. When I was a child polio was one of the scariest diseases to get. When that polio vaccine came out we all got our shots. If we had waited 20 years the polio epidemic would have stretched into the 1970s. How soon we forget about children in braces and the need for the iron lung.



DomMeinCT -> RE: HPV shots? (10/23/2011 8:45:23 PM)

The vaccine is now being recommended for boys as well:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110204142257.htm



hausboy -> RE: HPV shots? (10/23/2011 8:51:17 PM)

There are a few things here...

First, while JAMA is certainly a highly respected research-driven/white-paper journal, it is not the end-all or definitive answers, and it is not intended as such. Guidance comes from the federal level down to the states...down to the city or county...and then down to hospitals and private physician offices.

I suggest you start here:  http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/default.htm

Read through the information--and then sit down with your physician to discuss any questions you might have. You can also call your local health department, and speak to someone in their Communicable Disease Division--usually STD investigation/outreach is structured under CD/




Hisprettybaby -> RE: HPV shots? (10/23/2011 8:52:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomMeinCT

The vaccine is now being recommended for boys as well:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110204142257.htm


This makes good sense really.



DeviantlyD -> RE: HPV shots? (10/23/2011 9:04:53 PM)

n/m :)



xxblushesxx -> RE: HPV shots? (10/23/2011 9:24:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD

n/m :)


WHAT?!!! What did you say?!!! Don't make me bust out the way back machine on you!!! [:D]



FelineFae -> RE: HPV shots? (10/24/2011 2:22:49 AM)

i don't know what camp i'm in on the matter, i hear such horrific stories on the matter.
And i've got more than one call from a lover that sounded something like this;

" Hi, Fae. Why don't you ever answer your phone ? Oh yeah, you hate phones. Hey, I just got a call from an ex', and they tested pos' for HPV. I'm going to get tested and since we were together, you and your's should too. "

So far, i have been lucky enough to be NEG' in all such tests, but you just never know.
When in doubt, telling your off-spring about safe-sex is your best bet.



TheFireWithinMe -> RE: HPV shots? (10/24/2011 3:12:27 AM)

Why don't you make an appointment with a doctor who works in the Infectious Diseases dept at your local hospital. Hell talk to several of them to get a variety of opinions. They should be able to advise you.

Meantime try this study http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/555370



kiwisub12 -> RE: HPV shots? (10/24/2011 4:02:06 AM)

I work in surgery - and we are getting women in their 20s and 30s with cervical cancer -from intercourse before their cervixs have matured.

If you can guarantee that your kids aren't having sex, or unprotected - as in always using condom until they are at least 18 or older , then don't vacinate them. Otherwise..................

The doctor in England that falsefiled his findings on vacinations should have been hung, drawn and quartered - because the ones that suffer are the kids, one way or another!



DesFIP -> RE: HPV shots? (10/24/2011 8:24:47 AM)

My daughter has been vaccinated. I couldn't get my son, 18, to agree to do it. He had all kinds of specious arguments but basically he's afraid of needles and at 18, he's too big to hold down forceably.



kalikshama -> RE: HPV shots? (10/24/2011 11:25:25 AM)

I wish there were footnotes to the primary research, but:

According to the CDC, the human papilloma virus (HPV) is the most common sexually transmitted disease in America. More than 6 million women contract it annually, yet cervical cancer claims less than 3,900 women – most of which are due to not getting regular Pap smears. In the U.K., cervical cancer claims a mere 400 lives per year.

Why is your risk of dying from cervical cancer so low?

Because your immune system is usually strong enough to clear up this kind of infection on its own, and does so in more than 90 percent of all cases. The CDC even admits to this fact on their website.

And, as long as you’re getting regular PAP smears, cervical cancer can be caught in its early, and easily treatable, stages.

So, the question begs to be asked: WHY is the HPV vaccine being pushed so vigorously when:
- it prevents a type of cancer that is very rare to begin with
- it protects against a virus that, 98 percent of the time, is not the cause of cervical cancer
- it prevents a type of cancer that can be easily caught and treated by promoting regular gynecological exams
- it offers less protection than what promotion of safe sex practices could accomplish
- it is promoted to girls years before becoming sexually active, even though the vaccine may only offer about three years worth of protection
- it prevents just 4 out of more than 100 strains of HPV; all of which your body can clear up on its own in 90 percent of all cases anyway
- it has NOT been proven safe. No one knows if it can cause cancer or infertility, for example

And why would the feds go so far as to add Gardasil to the list of vaccinations that all female immigrants ages 11 to 26 MUST get before they can obtain a green card? We’re not dealing with potential import of bubonic plague here…

According to a New England Journal of Medicine study, the use of condoms reduces the incidence of HPV by 70 percent, offering FAR better protection than Gardasil, for example.

The HPV vaccine is a total head-scratcher of a mystery as far as what its ultimate purpose is, because “curing the rampant health disaster of cervical cancer” is certainly NOT it.

And since when do we have to be vaccinated against cancer in order to be let into a country?

Read more: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/10/25/prominent-scientist-warns-of-hpv-vaccine-dangers.aspx



DeviantlyD -> RE: HPV shots? (10/25/2011 1:37:10 AM)

kalikshima: I don't say this to criticise you, so I hope you won't take offense, but mercola.com doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation. If that site states that 98% of cervical cancer is not associated with HPV, they have their facts wrong. Studies show there is indeed a close link between cervical cancer and HPV. In fact, Dr. Harald zur Hausen won a Nobel Prize in medicine for making the discovery.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/%28SICI%291096-9896%28199909%29189:1%3C12::AID-PATH431%3E3.0.CO;2-F/abstract

http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v88/n1/full/6600688a.html

http://dujs.dartmouth.edu/winter-2009/nobel-prize-in-physiology-or-medicine-human-papillomavirus-and-human-immunodeficiency-virus



xxblushesxx -> RE: HPV shots? (10/25/2011 4:36:35 AM)

Yep. I'm still confuzzled. [:(]



kalikshama -> RE: HPV shots? (10/25/2011 6:51:59 AM)

Like I said, I wish they footnoted. I want to know how "it protects against a virus that, 98 percent of the time, is not the cause of cervical cancer" is calculated before I throw out that stat. Perhaps they are referring to the fact that the vaccine only protects against 4 of over 100 strains of HPV and/or that 90% of the time HPV goes away on its own.

On the other HPV thread, I noted that in 2008, Mercola said:

quote:

The federal government's Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) has received over 9,000 reports of problems since the vaccine's introduction in 2006, which include at least 28 spontaneous abortions, and 27 deaths.


So I was able to go to VAERS and get data and found that Events Reported have risen to 20,272 as of 9/14/11.

I like Mercola's anti-Toxic Sludge is Good for You: Lies, Damn Lies and the Public Relations Industry attitude. Having worked in both research and marketing, I am fully aware how numbers can be spun. I have serious concerns on who benefits more from Gardasil - the public, or Merck.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/02/24/Spain-Withdraws-Gardasil-After-Illnesses.aspx

Merck only studied the Gardasil vaccine in fewer than 1,200 girls under 16 prior to it being released to the market, and most of the serious side effects that occurred during the pre-licensure clinical trials were merely called a “coincidence.”

It is beyond me how that explanation can hold water, considering all the bad press coming out about this vaccine. NVIC has been following the risks of Gardasil closely, and just released a new analysis comparing the vaccine to another for meningitis (Menactra). They found, compared to Menactra, Gardasil was associated with:

• At least twice as many emergency room visit reports (5,021)
• Four times as many death reports (29)
• Seven times as many disabled reports (261)
• Three to six times more fainting reports




kalikshama -> RE: HPV shots? (10/25/2011 7:05:01 AM)

Looks like Mercola should have worded:

"it protects against a virus that, 98 percent of the time, is not the cause of cervical cancer"

like this:

"it protects against a virus that, 98 percent of the time, does not lead to cervical cancer"

http://www.oncolink.org/types/article.cfm?c=6&s=17&ss=131&id=9531&p=2

Despite this strong link, only a very small percentage of high risk HPV infections will ever become invasive cancer (estimated at 2%).



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