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DreamyLadySnow -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (10/29/2011 4:31:32 PM)

tfb, why not just go to a health food store or natural products store for your personal care products?




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (10/30/2011 12:36:35 AM)

I think I will now I have a brand Lilly was so kind to offer.
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ORIGINAL: DreamyLadySnow

tfb, why not just go to a health food store or natural products store for your personal care products?




TheFireWithinMe -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (10/30/2011 4:08:57 AM)

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I think I will now I have a brand Lilly was so kind to offer.


I bought them on Friday, I'll let you know later on.

Fire




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (10/30/2011 4:56:26 AM)

i hope you guys like it ^_^ if not, there's a wide range of other possibilities out there ^_^




TheFireWithinMe -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (10/30/2011 9:09:31 AM)

Holy crispy Christ this stuff is amazing! I haven't had hair like this in years! After using the shampoo alone - NO dried hair, NO huge tangles in the ends, and that despite using way too much shampoo. I mixed the directions for super curly hair and wavy hair (which is what I have). In other words I used a towel to take out excess water but left it in.




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (10/30/2011 10:07:37 AM)

hooraaaay!! ^_^ glad you're having good results! ^_^

oh another thing you can try -- dry your hair with a t-shirt instead of a towel -- that really cuts down on frizz, too. ^_^




TheFireWithinMe -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (10/30/2011 10:40:43 AM)

Dear GOD my hair is curly! And very little frizz so far!




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (10/30/2011 11:00:08 AM)

excitemeeeent ^_^ hehehe
hooray for Fire's curlolicious hair!




TheFireWithinMe -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (10/30/2011 11:47:01 AM)

And hooray for you for telling me about it. LET'S DANCE! [sm=alien.gif][sm=alien.gif][sm=alien.gif]




Termyn8or -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (10/30/2011 12:22:05 PM)

"Drink straight flouride? Bad idea. Don't know what it does, but it isn't good."

Teeth and bones while hard, darken and become too brittle. There are also some reported adverse mental effects. Reduced capacity is the best way I can sum up what I've read. These facts are used by those who oppose the flouridation of water, with whom I agree. I do not argue that it is toxic, I argue that it's addition to the water supply is not consentual. It is wrong plain and simple. If they can do that then they can just as easily put in contraceptives or hormones or any other damn thing.

Perfume is another story altogether. Secret formula. My ass. Keep your secret formula, I would like to know what is going in my body.

And don't kid yourself, if it goes on your skin it does go in your body. Yes. That means working on cars and houses I have ingested gasoline, oil, trany fluid, battery acid, sewage, some really strange shit in this one building and who knows what else ?

There was a saying, probably obscure now and totally unknown, but some used to say "if you won't eat it, don't put it on your skin".

I think the difference between something that is really dangerous versus just an irritant is if the body dosposes of it. Some things may accumulate and thus result in (guess what) cumulative amounts. Those substances the body does get rid of are not as much a problem obviously.

T^T




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (10/30/2011 2:28:45 PM)

Yes, please do let me know how you like it. I'm finding that pantene doesn't leave my hair smelling as good as it used to, and I know it's silly but I like that just shampood and am clean now smell lol. hahah saw after I p osted you'd tried it opps.



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ORIGINAL: TheFireWithinMe



I bought them on Friday, I'll let you know later on.

Fire





TheFireWithinMe -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (10/30/2011 4:07:54 PM)

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Yes, please do let me know how you like it. I'm finding that pantene doesn't leave my hair smelling as good as it used to, and I know it's silly but I like that just shampood and am clean now smell lol. hahah saw after I p osted you'd tried it opps.


Pantene imo is crap. Get this stuff, it's a bit expensive but you'll need less of it and it works fantastically well.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (10/30/2011 5:30:27 PM)

Fire, why do you think pantene is crap? I've used it for years and I love it, I always have soft, silky shiny hair, that has body.* well when it's washed lol* It's just recently that I gave any thought to trying to be more concious about chemicals in your shampoo and if they test on animals.




Aswad -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (11/7/2011 8:04:03 AM)

People who are skeptical of established medical knowledge are better addressed without appealing to studies published for a different audience.

For instance,with shampoo, the perceived risk needs to be put into perspective. Refuelling a car introduces a risk of leukemia which outweighs the shampoo. Sitting down while taking a dump, rather than standing up, introduces a risk of having the major vessels in the abdomen fatally damaged, again greater than the risk of the substances added to the shampoo. Of course, to even make shampoo a noticeable factor in any aspect of health, it is necessary to have the right amount of exercise, good nutritional status, no driving of cars, positive air pressure in the home, fire alarms and monoxide alarms, roofing of thick sheets of boron carbide coated tungsten, eating clay crackers on a regular basis (and not just for the fluorine), and so forth. Meat should be cut down to at most one cow per five years per family of two adults and two kids; at least twice as much fish and fowl. Fruit should never be cosmetically intact, and the population must be cut by at least one digit to allow the correct nutrient balance in the soil and the lower yields of untreated crops.

All of those are higher concerns than what's in the shampoo, and I'm fairly certain only a handful of people here even know what's in the air they breathe (in terms of radon, CO, NOx, organic volatiles and so forth). Unless one has everything on that list in order, worrying about the contents of shampoo for any health reason other than established allergy or sensitivity to a specific ingredient cannot be in the realm of the rational.

Incidentally, dermatologic testing on animals is a fading issue.

The EU issued a directive banning it from a certain date, and the industry responded by finding an alternative. Turns out the alternative was more effective and less expensive. Uses human skin recovered from mastectomies in breast cancer patients, grown to a large area on top of a vascularized substrate with all the usual features and subdivided into small squares that are supplied mounted to cubes that have a sterile nutrient bath. As the women here can probably attest, breasts are pretty sensitive. The tests are made more convenient, the results are repeatable, and it takes less time. One can test over several racial groups for realistic skin responses in a decidedly human model. Also, any penetration of the skin by ingredients will instantly be revealed, as those ingredients will be present in embedding matrix of the nutrient bath (and can be quickly identified by chromatography). In short, the industry bitched about it, the EU said "deal with it", they dealt with it, and we're all better off for it, including the four legged rats. The USA benefits from this, as well, since it's more expensive to run two sets of tests than one, meaning the companies that are large enough to care about exports will be running the cloned skin tests, and not spending money on the facilities required to house lab rats (those are specific strains, and their conditions have to conform to certain standards, meaning personell for handling, and so forth).

As for the comments on mammography, we receive substantial X-ray exposure from lightning storms, airplane rides and also local rocks (people forget, those elements that make up our planet were created in the largest nuclear furnaces known to man: stars). Living anywhere near a place that burns coal or wood increases the exposure far beyond the level of having mammograms done on an annual basis, and the cancer risk is not even remotely comparable to the risk from refuelling a car on regular intervals (a well established factor in leukemia prevalence, as such things go). Without positive air pressure and an absolutely airtight house, radon will make a sizeable conribution to cumulative exposure. Indeed, most of the posters here can probably have a monthly mammogram and not get the same risk of breast cancer as that invisible risk of lung cancer from radon they breathe every day.

Feel safer now? About shampoos and mammograms, I mean?

Health,
al-Aswad.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (11/7/2011 2:23:38 PM)

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TheFireWithinMe -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (11/7/2011 3:03:18 PM)

isn't he just awesome LL? So smart, logical AND sexy to. [sm=hearts.gif]




LafayetteLady -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (11/7/2011 4:35:27 PM)

It's the analogies that I love.

People who believe all the bullshit they read make me wonder about their gene pool.

If someone chooses to go all natural, good for you.

When it comes to hair, I use the best that I can afford, which is usually one large bottle each of shampoo and conditioner. Also not driving doesn't really offer the opportunity to go to natural/health stores anyway. But I have thick, course, wavy hair and it takes a ton of products to try and get the knots out.

I'm actually thinking of taking the risk and having it professionally straightened before I take my trip so it will be easier to deal with while I'm on vacation.




TheFireWithinMe -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (11/7/2011 4:46:22 PM)

I just plain like the common sense of his advice.

Regarding hair stuff, I'm loving what Lilly recommended. My hair has never had it so good and it's fussy.




Aswad -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (11/8/2011 6:48:17 PM)

Aww... -blushes-





DeviantlyD -> RE: Is it true that that several shampoos contain a nerve damaging poison called MIT (11/10/2011 1:01:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep



TFTB, if you have a Whole Foods near you, or any other kind of natural health place, you can find all kinds of natural shampoos and conditioners that don't have particular chemicals in them. the shampoo i use every now and again is Kinky Curly Come Clean, and it's an all-natural shampoo without a lot of conventional ingredients. the ingredients are:
Purified water, organic mandarin orange fruit, organic marigold flower, organic white willow bark, organic sea kelp, c14-16 olefin sulfonate and cocamidopropyl betaine (coconut derived), citiric acid, sea salt, phenoxyethanol, natural fragrance.
not tested on animals, and gets your hair squeaky clean.
phenoxyethanol -- it is an eye irritant, so should be avoided around eyes or mouth, but it is not suspected of accumulating in the body, or of being an environmental hazard
c14-16 olefin sulfonate and cocamidopropyl betaine -- coconut derived surfactants that have a long track record of safety. they were more widely used before the introduction of sodium lauryl sulfate, which is cheaper to produce. it's still a surfactant, but is far more mild.


Is this the stuff?

[image]http://ll-media.essence.com/archive/kinky-curly-come-clean-425.jpg[/image]




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