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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:16:43 AM

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Excellent observation there darque. Now explain how a cop can shoot a non lethal round at the ground from that range (the guy was about 12 feet away) and hit him in the head. He either
A: aimed for the head or
B: makes Elmer Fudd look like a fucking 1000 yard sniper.

And here's the problem with your assumption. The officers behind the barricade are on camera THROWING a flashbang on the ground. Not firing them out of a riot gun. I don't think the headshot is actually on camera. I surely haven't seen it. Therefore, we don't know WHO shot the round or at what range. But again, feel free in your Monday-morning quarterbacking to assume all you like without any evidence whatsoever. It's not like our officers are *innocent until proven guilty* now is it? Of course not. Not in America they aren't.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:19:40 AM

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And some arent cut out to be cops but, unfortunately, that power attracts a few dirtbags.

Well hey...I don't see any cops out there wearing Guy Fawkes masks and throwing paint, bottles and rocks at other cops just trying to do their jobs. Strange...if the protest is so righteous and "peaceful".....why wear masks? Why not have the balls to be out there without something to conceal your identity? I don't recall MLK ever wearing a mask during his protests. Funny that.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:24:10 AM

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Excellent observation there darque. Now explain how a cop can shoot a non lethal round at the ground from that range (the guy was about 12 feet away) and hit him in the head. He either
A: aimed for the head or
B: makes Elmer Fudd look like a fucking 1000 yard sniper.

And here's the problem with your assumption. The officers behind the barricade are on camera THROWING a flashbang on the ground. Not firing them out of a riot gun. I don't think the headshot is actually on camera. I surely haven't seen it. Therefore, we don't know WHO shot the round or at what range. But again, feel free in your Monday-morning quarterbacking to assume all you like without any evidence whatsoever. It's not like our officers are *innocent until proven guilty* now is it? Of course not. Not in America they aren't.

It is not on camera. The line of officers from whence the projectile came away is about 12 feet from the victiim. That is my assertion that the projectile came from 12 feet away. He either A: aimed for the head or B: Can't hit his ass with both hands and a funnel.
You said in another post that flashbangs work best up close and personal. Is it in the policy to drop one on TOP of an injured civilian?
90+ percent of police are awesome guys. Why does the thin blue line protect the others? My friends on the force can't answer that.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:25:40 AM

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I don't recall MLK ever wearing a mask during his protests. Funny that.

You don't recall him being put into a coma by a creatively used but technically non-lethal crowd control device either, of course.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:30:24 AM

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It is not on camera.

I thought not. So then your, and everyone else's, assumption that it was an intentional "headshot" is nothing more than pure bullshit. It's nice to have an agreement so early in a debate. Thank you.

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The line of officers from whence the projectile came away is about 12 feet from the victiim.

Wait wait wait. If the shot isn't on camera, you're still ASSUMING it came from the line of officers ON camera. Since the one ON camera is a "toss," it kinda argues very easily your ASSUMPTION that the shot came from the same place. You don't....wait.....you don't think there might have been more than ONE line of cops at this incident.....do you? No. Surely the cops wouldn't make more than one line to quell 100s of protesters. That'd be just silly.

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You said in another post that flashbangs work best up close and personal. Is it in the policy to drop one on TOP of an injured civilian?

They didn't. They threw it "near" him. That is plainly evident in the video. You can even see where it hits....somewhere to the left of where the guy is laying. Nice try.

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Why does the thin blue line protect the others? My friends on the force can't answer that.

This one's easy. They don't. But as this *is* America, the officer in question is entitled the same rights as any citizen of this country -- especially being innocent until proven guilty of a crime. Apparently, you don't see it that way. And it's people like you who make me glad that we have the rights we do, because you seem so intent on denying those rights to the very people we call on when we need help.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:32:10 AM

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And some arent cut out to be cops but, unfortunately, that power attracts a few dirtbags.

Well hey...I don't see any cops out there wearing Guy Fawkes masks and throwing paint, bottles and rocks at other cops just trying to do their jobs. Strange...if the protest is so righteous and "peaceful".....why wear masks? Why not have the balls to be out there without something to conceal your identity? I don't recall MLK ever wearing a mask during his protests. Funny that.

If the cops are so righteous and peaceful, why are they wearing body armor and faceshields?

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:33:43 AM

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If the cops are so righteous and peaceful, why are they wearing body armor and faceshields?

Oh I don't know...perhaps to ensure that rioting protesters don't orphan their kids? How about this. You go try and stop a riot of 100 people without armor or weapons. Then you'll be qualified to ask that question.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:33:49 AM

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I thought not. So then your, and everyone else's, assumption that it was an intentional "headshot" is nothing more than pure bullshit. It's nice to have an agreement so early in a debate. Thank you.

An accidental headshot is actually worse since it demonstrates either depraved indifference or gross criminal negligence...

Remember Boston PD and the Red Sox chick they murdered with a paintball gun?

This ain't exactly a new tactic...

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:34:56 AM

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If the cops are so righteous and peaceful, why are they wearing body armor and faceshields?

Oh I don't know...perhaps to ensure that rioting protesters don't orphan their kids? How about this. You go try and stop a riot of 100 people without armor or weapons. Then you'll be qualified to ask that question.

What rioting protesters? And what's with the cops targeting medical relief personnel evacuating the wounded? That's a violation of Geneva, isn't it?

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:36:37 AM

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An accidental headshot is actually worse since it demonstrates either depraved indifference or gross criminal negligence...

No it doesn't. It demonstrates nothing but an accident. That happens all the time. Civilians shoot themselves and family members "cleaning guns." Hunters accidentally shoot hikers because they have no vest. Military members have hit friendlies simply because of the confusion of the fire fight. Shit happens. When you try and shoot a tear gas canister far enough to affect the crowd you're trying to disperse, you have to arc it because the rounds don't go very far. It's not inconceivable that the round went up just fine and came down into the guy's head. Again...shit happens.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:37:53 AM

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Remember Boston PD and the Red Sox chick they murdered with a paintball gun?

Nope. But I remember the Boston fan who was standing on an object that raised her above the other rioters and when the round was fired over the heads of those on the ground, it hit her in the eye in a tragic accident. I'm not aware of anyone committing murder with a paintball gun though.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:40:20 AM

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What rioting protesters?

Protesters can become riots on a moment's notice. That doesn't leave time to say "time out" and go put on armor and get helmets. Therefore, when dispersing protesters, it's a common tactic to don riot gear ahead of time just in case. Asking what you asked would be like asking why we give our soldiers body armor before they're attacked or why football players wear pads before the ball is snapped (if the ball isn't snapped yet, there's no play...thus no one running into each other and no need for such big pads).

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:41:24 AM

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An accidental headshot is actually worse since it demonstrates either depraved indifference or gross criminal negligence...

No it doesn't. It demonstrates nothing but an accident. That happens all the time. Civilians shoot themselves and family members "cleaning guns." Hunters accidentally shoot hikers because they have no vest. Military members have hit friendlies simply because of the confusion of the fire fight. Shit happens. When you try and shoot a tear gas canister far enough to affect the crowd you're trying to disperse, you have to arc it because the rounds don't go very far. It's not inconceivable that the round went up just fine and came down into the guy's head. Again...shit happens.

There are no accidents when YOU have to aim and squeeze a trigger.

If you're unsure of your backstop, don't take the shot. What's that, like the 3rd rule of gun safety?

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:42:19 AM

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It is not on camera.

I thought not. So then your, and everyone else's, assumption that it was an intentional "headshot" is nothing more than pure bullshit. It's nice to have an agreement so early in a debate. Thank you.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
The line of officers from whence the projectile came away is about 12 feet from the victiim.

Wait wait wait. If the shot isn't on camera, you're still ASSUMING it came from the line of officers ON camera. Since the one ON camera is a "toss," it kinda argues very easily your ASSUMPTION that the shot came from the same place. You don't....wait.....you don't think there might have been more than ONE line of cops at this incident.....do you? No. Surely the cops wouldn't make more than one line to quell 100s of protesters. That'd be just silly.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
You said in another post that flashbangs work best up close and personal. Is it in the policy to drop one on TOP of an injured civilian?

They didn't. They threw it "near" him. That is plainly evident in the video. You can even see where it hits....somewhere to the left of where the guy is laying. Nice try.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Why does the thin blue line protect the others? My friends on the force can't answer that.

This one's easy. They don't. But as this *is* America, the officer in question is entitled the same rights as any citizen of this country -- especially being innocent until proven guilty of a crime. Apparently, you don't see it that way. And it's people like you who make me glad that we have the rights we do, because you seem so intent on denying those rights to the very people we call on when we need help.

OK, as for My assumption of where the shot came from. The line of officers was 12 feet away. Either someone was firing nonlethal rounds thru and over his partners (There was no second line) or someone took a shot at an acute angle and wasn't covering his sector. (stupid) or an officer that that was covering his sector fired from close range and MISSED THE GROUND.
That's an 8000 mile wide planet he was shooting at and he fucking MISSED. Or he took advantage of his own version of a guy fawkes mask (opaque face shield) and decided to take a potshot at a bum.

Occam's Razor. He either aimed high deliberately or can't hit the side of a barn.

I looked at the video again. The flashbang went off about a foot from an injured civilian. I ask again because you evaded the first time. Is it policy to toss a flashbang on top of an injured civilian?

Yes or No

As for the last question, you didn't answer it at all. you just evaded it totally. Most every officer knows who the few bad ones are that ruin the reputation of the whole force but they cover for them. Why?

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:44:34 AM

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What rioting protesters?

Protesters can become riots on a moment's notice. That doesn't leave time to say "time out" and go put on armor and get helmets. Therefore, when dispersing protesters, it's a common tactic to don riot gear ahead of time just in case. Asking what you asked would be like asking why we give our soldiers body armor before they're attacked or why football players wear pads before the ball is snapped (if the ball isn't snapped yet, there's no play...thus no one running into each other and no need for such big pads).

Ok, so your justification for the body armor and face shields ( as opposed to a plastic Guy Falwkes' mask ) is that there are rioting protesters, although there AREN'T really rioting protesters. There's a possibility of there being rioting protesters.

I suggest the more likely scenario to be that the armed and armored cops assault the peaceful protesters. Did you Tony Bologna's performance on Youtube pepperspraying a peaceful protester? He got disciplined by the NYPD for that, which for NYPD is a 100% iron-clad admission of guilt...

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:46:57 AM

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There are no accidents when YOU have to aim and squeeze a trigger.

If you're unsure of your backstop, don't take the shot. What's that, like the 3rd rule of gun safety?

Nice try. But that doesn't apply in real-world situations, especially when the use of such a weapon is called for. The riot gun fires non-lethal ammunition at an arc. Period. There is no "backstop" and no way to guarantee 100% what it's going to hit. The majority of the time, there's no issue. Occasionally, however, accidents can happen, especially when the shooter is surrounded by people pelting him with bottles and rocks and whatever else they can.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:48:59 AM

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...shit happens.

The operative words are a conflict existed between two opposing forces, casualties are inevitable, had I been a member of that police department and on that assigned duty the minute I was confronted I would have assumed a defensive posture and with extreme prejudice and overwhelming force naturalized the threat against my life. If a civil demonstration becomes less the peaceful in any manner it becomes a rioting mob endangering the life safety and security of every citized.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:49:58 AM

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then it looks like it is time to start shooting cops.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:50:43 AM

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And some arent cut out to be cops but, unfortunately, that power attracts a few dirtbags.

Well hey...I don't see any cops out there wearing Guy Fawkes masks and throwing paint, bottles and rocks at other cops just trying to do their jobs. Strange...if the protest is so righteous and "peaceful".....why wear masks? Why not have the balls to be out there without something to conceal your identity? I don't recall MLK ever wearing a mask during his protests. Funny that.

You held me to the video. Im gonna hold you to the video. There were no Guy Fawke masks in the vid nor were theyre paint bottles and rocks being thrown. The worst I saw was a heartfelt "fuck you" early in the vid as flashbangs (which the police initially claimed were not used) started going off. Sometimes they're necessary but why lie about it? It's just like if you have a suspect in questioning and you catch him in a bald faced lie. His credibility is shot and now you can work on a confession.
They have been caught in lies and now their credibility is hurt.
A marine who put his life on the line for you is down and you are automatically calling him a 'dirtbag' instead of thinking maybe you have someone who shouldn't have a badge.
Why does that thin blue line protect people who dishonor their badge?

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:52:22 AM

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then it looks like it is time to start shooting cops.

Absolutely NOT!!

It's time for the police to police themselves and stop tolerating and protecting those who bring dishonor to the profession.

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