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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 11/27/2011 5:52:53 PM   
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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 11/27/2011 6:55:11 PM   
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My brother...who would be the first to tell you that he is not a genius...but he  is remarkably bright and well above the average intelligence....(and a sidenote: we have met a few actual geniuses)
he used to have a button that read:   "those who think they know everything are an annoyance to those of us who actually do"

the saying in my line of work:  it's great to know what you know.  it's more important to know what it is you don't know..  the world is filled with so-called experts.  some have degrees....some have grant funding...and some have a search engine.

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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 11/27/2011 7:04:31 PM   
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Oooohhh...search engines are the work of the devil. I was a much more relaxed individual before WebMD entered my life.

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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 11/27/2011 8:23:50 PM   
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I did read something recently that attributed the existence of the herpes virus early in life to another seemingly unrelated disease. I can't remember where I read it.

In the same book/article/whatever it was, I also read that exposure to the flu was also coming to light as a possible link to this disease which crops up later in life.

I don't necessarily doubt that the herpes virus could cause complications later in life. It's certainly possible and it wouldn't surprise me. But it's not just the herpes virus that could possibly be doing this. It's everything. There is so much we don't know about how everything ultimately intertwines, nothing would surprise me anymore and if Rule is finding links in his own research, I don't know that I would necessarily doubt him just for the sake of doubting him. Sometimes those people on the fringe of thought actually have the right idea.

ETA - Oh, I meant to say - when I was pregnant, I got bloody noses. There is actually a connection to pregnancy and bloody noses that I would have never thought existed. If someone had told me their pregnancy caused bloody noses, I would have told them they were wrong. I learned my lesson, and that is how I have come to not necessarily doubt a link between one affliction and another. I don't take it as truth, of course, either. But I would certainly be willing to hear the case without automatically judging it as false.


That's all fine and dandy. However, do a search to find information about the mortality rate of people with herpes being the cause of death. You aren't going to find it.

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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 11/27/2011 8:44:56 PM   
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I've heard that those that have Herpes are more prone to getting Shingles later in life.  Shingles is actually another form of chicken pox.

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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 11/27/2011 8:56:54 PM   
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I've heard that those that have Herpes are more prone to getting Shingles later in life.  Shingles is actually another form of chicken pox.


Shingles is also called "Herpes Zoster" but not to be confused with genital herpes. they are different.

You're correct--the virus that causes chickenpox (varicella) remains dormant in the body even after the patient recovers from the active illness, and can later re-surface as Shingles.  People with weakened immune systems (esp. the elderly) are more likely to develop shingles--it's an absolutely miserable affliction--very painful.

Any time you have a weakened immune system, your body is more susceptible to various forms of disease--I am not aware of a direct link between shingles and genital herpes, but those with HIV are in a higher risk group to develop shingles, so it's also possible those with herpes may have other conditions that make them more susceptible to shingles.

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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 11/29/2011 12:28:56 PM   
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I take l-Lysine for something else and remember reading about using it for herpes, but I can't find anything conclusive on point. Anyone got?

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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 11/29/2011 12:34:06 PM   
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I have taken L-lysine for herpes, but for some reason stopped using it. Maybe I finished the jar. I dunno. I expect that if I had noticed an improvement I would still be taking it. Likely the results were contraproductive? Anyway, I am atypicla; it might be effective for other people.

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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 12/11/2011 9:17:36 PM   
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I'm very interested in face sitting, so is the guy I'm getting to know. He gets cold sores. I'm extremely paranoid about getting herpes on my genitals, I worry about it all the time. I've used latex barriers Aka dental dams in the past but that was just a few licks. How practical are dental dams for aggressive, grinding, smothering face fucking that we both want?

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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 12/11/2011 9:45:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

I take l-Lysine for something else and remember reading about using it for herpes, but I can't find anything conclusive on point. Anyone got?


Herpes infections/cold sores
Replication of the herpes simplex virus requires arginine, and the proteins it produces are higher in arginine content than lysine. Lysine exerts antagonistic actions against arginine via several proposed mechanisms: serving as an antimetabolite of arginine, enhancing the excretion of arginine by competing for reabsorption at the renal tubule, competing for intestinal absorption, inducing arginase to breakdown arginine, and competing for transport into cells. 3 Lysine supplementation may enhance protein nutrition to boost the immune response. 6 Thus, to prevent and treat herpes simplex infections, increasing the intake of lysine and/or lysine-to-arginine may be beneficial. 3

http://www.drugs.com/npp/lysine.html

Also read the clinical data section

Hope that is what you were looking for.

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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 12/12/2011 3:51:34 AM   
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I recommend that you shoot this guy. You do NOT want herpes. Avoid any risk of contamination at ALL costs.

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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 12/12/2011 3:29:48 PM   
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And if Rule had his way everyone would be walking around in BioHazard suits 24/7 because you might catch something like herpes and die within 24 hours.

Good god .. wouldnt want anyone to catch a disease damn it. That way everyone can live to a ripe old age like this fine lady. She looks like she never had herpes. See what happens when you do everything right and get to live another day? whooo-hooo party time!




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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 12/12/2011 7:15:53 PM   
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I'm very interested in face sitting, so is the guy I'm getting to know. He gets cold sores. I'm extremely paranoid about getting herpes on my genitals, I worry about it all the time. I've used latex barriers Aka dental dams in the past but that was just a few licks. How practical are dental dams for aggressive, grinding, smothering face fucking that we both want?


hi ggbb..

dental dams will reduce your risk--they are effective at reducing disease transmission--but there are some challenges with dams.

many of the medical grade damns are relatively small compared to where they get "stuffed"--so you need to be aware of that so that in the heat of the moment, you don't risk having the damn slide off, move, etc. placing you at greater risk should you come in contact with each other.

There are commercially available dam holders--I've seen homemade versions of garters where the clips hold the damn in place--check out Good Vibes.  Since I'm not in your bedroom, I don't know how your aggressive differs from others, but obviously the goal here is to reduce your risk by prevent direct skin on skin contact or mouth/skin or fluid to mouth contact.

So...
there ARE some products out there (again, check out Good Vibes) that include larger size damns.  Way back in the day, we used to use plastic wrap.  Now...a disclaimer on that.  Plastic wraps today are more porous--including any wrap you can use in a microwave, which are intentionally porous. The rule we used to have--if you wrapped a single layer around a freshly cut onion, if you could smell the onion, don't use it.  Today, they are almost all porous.  You might want to invest instead in a roll of commercial grade shrink wrap--comes in all different size rolls, and you can actually wrap it around you enough to hold it in place which might help with your aggressive face sitting.

Obviously, when your boyfriend has cold sores, you may want to find an alternate activity, but even without sores, he can still transmit it to you so just be aware.  At least you know he has it, and you can take steps to reduce your risk.

good luck--have fun...be safe

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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 2/13/2012 7:05:54 PM   
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LOL  I find Rule to be quite entertaining as he has obvious bitterness for some reason or another and is totally falsifying everything about Herpes.  First, there are 1 of 8 types of Herpes Viruses,  not including 1 and 2, but Chicken Pox IS a Herpes Virus, Mono is a herpes virus, Esptein Bar is a herpes Virus, shingles (herpes virus that came from the chicken pox) and Scientist (which I highly doubt Rule is) are doing research with MS, Lupus and Fibromyalgia, believing they are also a Herpes Virus.  You can be born with it.  Just as we can be born genetically with cancer cells, that may not become activated until later in life.  The herpes virus is just that a virus that attaches itself to the nerves and it hides, much like so many other diseases.
You are more likely to catch H1N1 or any kind of flu VIRUS before contracting Herpes.  Hell, breathing our polluted air can kill you.  Getting run over by a bus will kill you, Herpes will not; with the exception of extremely rare cases, where other conditions must interact, where it will give you enchephalitis.  However, that is like 1 in 1 million.  RARE. 
Our doctor's and CDC recommend we expose our kids to get chicken pox (herpes virus) and they do not recommend testing for Herpes 1 & 2 because the majority of the worlds population has it, but only 10 percent even know they have it.  I have had chicken pox twice. 
The ignorance about the Herpes virus is crazy.  Think about it, Herpes came about world war 1 time, the doctors back then didn't know too much about it, just like when HIV/AIDS first came out.  Fact is you can get that without having sex.  Difference is HIV/AIDS is a death sentence, but with medicine etc, a person can live a regular long life.  The doctor's back then were not as smart as they are know and in 20-50 more years today's doctors will also be viewed the same as 50 years ago.  But for their time, they were making break throughs.
The day has come where people just need to realize that all the chemicals, the experiements with chemicals (for warfare etc) are causing viruses and health issues.  People die of the FLU everyday, every year, not of Herpes.

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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 2/13/2012 7:16:21 PM   
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It does say under your name with the four paddles that you are derranged.  What are your credentials?  You are obvious not a doctor or scientist; if you were, you would know the TRUTH.

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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 2/14/2012 2:47:38 AM   
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quote:

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What are your credentials?

I am deranged.

Also: I have written over 145 thousand words on the subject. What you (and experts) know about it is next to nothing compared to what I know about the subject. Besides, what you know is mostly wrong. Also you do not know how to spell Epstein.

Exposing children to chickenpox? A fair number of them will die in their fifties, besides having other medical issues.


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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 2/14/2012 5:08:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jade916

Our doctor's and CDC recommend we expose our kids to get chicken pox (herpes virus)


Not quite true: our mothers did that when we were little.
Our doctors and the CDC recommend that kids get the vaccine to prevent chicken pox.

Also since you have had chicken pox you should be aware that there is a vaccine for shingles but it is not yet approved for your age group.


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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 2/14/2012 5:43:00 AM   
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quote:

He gets cold sores.


Your guy should focus on preventing recurrence and you two should avoid contact while he has an outbreak, immediately before when he has the pain/tingling, through until the scab has disappeared.

What are cold sores?

Cold sores are fever blisters caused by a virus. They are not the same as canker sores, even though the two are often mistaken for each other. Cold sores are caused by the herpes simplex virus (HSV), the same virus that also causes genital herpes. HSV type 1 typically is responsible for cold sores while HSV type 2 causes genital problems. However, each type can cause sores in either area.

What are the symptoms?

Cold sores usually occur on the lips (again, don't confuse them with canker sores, which are ulcers that develop on the inside of your mouth - where cold sores don't occur - and are not caused by HSV). Occasionally, cold sores can occur in or around the nostrils, or on the chin or fingers. And although they never occur on the soft cheek tissue inside of the mouth, they can, rarely, show up on the gums and roof of the mouth.

Signs and symptoms may not appear for as long as twenty days after exposure, but like all HSV infections they begin as a series of tiny blisters, sometimes preceded by a localized sensation of tingling, itching, or pain. As they develop, the blisters spread, open, ooze, and eventually turn into a yellowish crust that hardens, then sloughs off, leaving pinkish skin. Unless they become infected with another germ, the lesions of a cold sore will not leave a scar. However, the herpes virus lives on, dormant in nerve cells, and can be reactivated at any time, causing another outbreak at or near the initial infection site. Reactivation is usually triggered by some sort of stress, such as the onset of a cold or other illness, menstruation, sunburn, fatigue, even emotional trauma.

What are the causes of cold sores?

Cold sores and herpetic lesions in general - whether they are on the face, genitals, fingers and hands, or anywhere else - are highly contagious. You can become infected from contact with anyone who has an active lesion. This usually happens by direct contact or as a result of sharing eating utensils, razors or towels. Anyone with an open skin condition (psoriasis, eczema or atopic dermatitis) or a suppressed immune system (infants, elderly, patients with cancer, AIDS or an organ transplant) is more susceptible to contracting the virus.

What is the conventional treatment?

HSV outbreaks are uncomfortable and not very pretty, but fortunately, they usually go away on their own within 10 days, even without treatment. It may be important to see a physician if your cold sore doesn't heal on its own, if the symptoms are severe and difficult to treat or they keep recurring, if you develop eye symptoms or have a pre-existing condition that has compromised your immune system. HSV infection of the eyes is an emergency that needs to be treated right away as it can scar the cornea and lead to vision impairment or blindness.

The conventional medical treatments for cold sores are antiviral creams (some available only with a prescription) or antiviral medications taken orally. They are expensive but do work to shorten the duration and lessen the severity of cold sores if you take them at the very beginning of an outbreak. They will also reduce frequency of herpes episodes if you use them daily at a low dose. Over-the-counter analgesics can help with the discomfort, as can ice or warm compresses. It's also important to avoid letting anyone come in contact with any active blisters that you have.

What therapies does Dr. Weil recommend for cold sores?

To prevent recurrences, do the following:

* Avoid foods rich in the amino acid arginine, which can activate the virus. These foods include chocolate, cola, beer, grain cereals, chicken soup, gelatin, seeds, nuts and peas.
* Get a new toothbrush. The virus can live in your toothbrush and re-infect you. When the sore is gone, get another new toothbrush. Also, to prevent the virus from getting into the toothpaste (and re-infecting you and others in the family), don't touch the brush to the tube when you're squeezing out toothpaste.
* Always use SPF 15 sunscreen before going out in the sun (summer and winter) and use a lip moisturizer with sunscreen.
* Since the HSV is highly contagious, don't kiss or shake hands with anyone who has a cold sore. And avoid these contacts when you have one.
* Keep your hands clean.
* Avoid sharing towels and utensils with anyone who has a cold sore.

Too speed healing from active cold sores, take monolaurin, an antiviral supplement you can get in the health food store. The dosage is one gram in capsule form three times a day before meals. Cream containing the amino acid lysine applied directly to the cold sore can help as well.

Taking L-lysine can reduce the frequency of attacks of oral herpes in some people. Take 500-1,000 milligrams a day on an empty stomach to prevent recurrence.

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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 2/14/2012 5:58:51 AM   
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You forgot the asymptotic viral shedding (avs), meaning that even without there being an outbreak, the person afflicted can still be contagious. I seem to recall an article that more people get infected due to avs (when people are mostly unaware that they may be contagious) than due to outbreaks (when they are aware and many try not to infect other people).

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When a herpes epidemic struck the Roman empire 2000 years ago, the Emperor Tiberius took decisive action: He banned all kissing.


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RE: Herpes -- Dealing with it - 3/3/2012 9:39:38 PM   
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<redacted, as I see others have provided scientific information, particularly concerning the association of herpes and shingles>

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