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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Funny thing that the op does not seem to grasp.

The President has no vote in either the senate or the house, so he could not vote present.  I do believe you conservatives need to take a refresher course in civics.

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

If you choose to see this as political pandering, Wilbur, I guess that it is up to you.  That is what I have come to expect of you.  However, the environmental laws of this country, as well as common sense, require that less harmful alternatives be carefully considered and weighed, and this pipeline is a doozy in terms of the environment.  Also, the delay wasn't the work of "environmental whackos, but instead, according to the Washington Post was opposed by:

environmentalists and an eclectic group of ranchers, farmers and other opponents say the pipeline could threaten habitat along its route and could destabilize the climate because the oil it would transport is especially energy-intensive to extract.

You really don't believe that a project of this scope is worth some careful study? 

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Funny thing that the op does not seem to grasp.

The President has no vote in either the senate or the house, so he could not vote present.  I do believe you conservatives need to take a refresher course in civics.

Got the civics, Jlf. Maybe you need to take a course in comprehending humor? Funny that you would start your post with the word "funny," when your post was an effort to be utterly obtuse about a reference that was. The decision came from the executive branch, not Congress, but it does seem to fall right in with the President's voting history in the state legislature. He decided it was most politically expedient, not to decide.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

If you choose to see this as political pandering, Wilbur, I guess that it is up to you.  That is what I have come to expect of you.  However, the environmental laws of this country, as well as common sense, require that less harmful alternatives be carefully considered and weighed, and this pipeline is a doozy in terms of the environment.  Also, the delay wasn't the work of "environmental whackos, but instead, according to the Washington Post was opposed by:

environmentalists and an eclectic group of ranchers, farmers and other opponents say the pipeline could threaten habitat along its route and could destabilize the climate because the oil it would transport is especially energy-intensive to extract.

You really don't believe that a project of this scope is worth some careful study? 

THEN KILL IT NOW. DONT FUCKING WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU'LL PISS OFF SOME MODERATES. GOT IT? CAN I MAKE IT ANY CLEARER?????

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Now, that would be pandering.  The goal is laudable, if there is a way to make it work, than it needs to be found.  But the timing should not be based on an election date, but a careful study. 

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

If you choose to see this as political pandering, Wilbur, I guess that it is up to you.  That is what I have come to expect of you.  However, the environmental laws of this country, as well as common sense, require that less harmful alternatives be carefully considered and weighed, and this pipeline is a doozy in terms of the environment.  Also, the delay wasn't the work of "environmental whackos, but instead, according to the Washington Post was opposed by:

environmentalists and an eclectic group of ranchers, farmers and other opponents say the pipeline could threaten habitat along its route and could destabilize the climate because the oil it would transport is especially energy-intensive to extract.

You really don't believe that a project of this scope is worth some careful study? 

THEN KILL IT NOW. DONT FUCKING WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU'LL PISS OFF SOME MODERATES. GOT IT? CAN I MAKE IT ANY CLEARER?????

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
The OA delays considering the pipeline till after the election. 20,000 specialized direct jobs, half a million indirect jobs. Yeah, he puts jobs before his environmental whacko supporters.

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ORIGINAL: tj444


and the oil sold to other buyers

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There is nothing that will be known in 18 months that isnt known now.

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ORIGINAL: tj444


and the oil sold to other buyers

something the AGW crowd doesnt understand.

But it wouldnt decrease jobs in Alberta, if anything it would increase them.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Sometimes, you have to act on incomplete information but that all too frequently leads to disaster. Iraqi invasion based on incomplete information anyone or does noone remember that?

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Sometimes, you have to act on incomplete information but that all too frequently leads to disaster. Iraqi invasion based on incomplete information anyone or does noone remember that?

well,.. the information was complete, just completely WRONG!

imo, the Prez/govt were willfully blind.. which makes that situation different imo.. just like when Hillary Clinton & a few others were shooting their mouth off and blaming Canada for the 9/11 terrorists.. she has a bias against Canada, just as Bush had a bias against Iraq, he wanted to finish the job his daddy started.. jmo

oil, gas, uranium, coal, etc.. they all have unwanted impacts..

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In British Columbia, there is widespread opposition to increasing pipeline construction for export of tar sands crude oil. A May 2010 poll showed that 80 per cent of British Columbians supported banning crude oil tankers from BC’s coastal waters. A 2011 poll of Metro Vancouverites showed that only 35 per cent of local residents support the existing Trans Mountain pipeline and tanker traffic in the Burrard Inlet.

"Clearly the vast majority of local residents don't want oil tankers off our coast or in our inlet. We all deserve to have a say regarding these issues, but this is particularly significant for indigenous people who still have land and title rights over the area where these energy giants want to build and expand pipelines and oil tanker traffic,” said West.

First Nations have overwhelmingly stated their ongoing opposition to the Enbridge pipeline and super-tankers, and last week the Tsleil-Waututh Nation declared its strong opposition to the potential expansion of Kinder Morgan’s existing oil pipeline that ends in Burnaby and would result in major tanker traffic increases in their traditional waters, which include Vancouver Harbour.

Municipalities throughout British Columbia are also concerned about the expansion of oil tanker traffic on the Pacific coast. The Union of BC Municipalities (UBCM) recently passed an emergency resolution stating: "local governments were not actively consulted regarding Kinder Morgan’s historic or planned expansion of oil tanker traffic".

“BC is a hotbed of environmentalism and social activism – if the boosters of big oil think that tar sands pipelines will have an easy time of it in BC, then they’ve got another thing coming,” said Ben West. “From DC to BC, opposition to tar sands expansion is growing, and we are determined to surround and defuse this carbon bomb,” said West.

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This week marks the grim anniversary of the start of an alarming series of bombings that spread fear and prompted a sometimes heavy-handed police presence in northeastern B.C. for several months — and to date no one has been charged.

Six bombings — all targeting a natural gas pipeline and gas wells operated by the Encana Corporation — would eventually rock the Tomslake area, near the city of Dawson Creek, 750 kilometres northeast of Vancouver.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

Oh, I know not all of Canada is thrilled either, there have always been those against it or any type of energy.. but imo it will go ahead, one way or the other.. I am originally from Alberta and very pro-Alberta.. the oil sands projects have been around as long as i have been alive..

and quite frankly, one of Canada's major cards to play with the US is oil/energy... they already got Gretzky.. [>:]

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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker
If Canada can get Ontario out of the equation and use that oil to develop Canada it would be far better. But the corporate thieves can make far more money importing foreign oil and reselling it to the mouth breathing European serfs in Ontario and Quebec at a very high profit then they can with what they pull from the tar pit and shipping it east, or north for use in Canada. That they are selling Canada off to the highest bidder doesn't concern them, for like in other colonies they will be packing their carpetbags and heading home to the UK or to thieve somewhere else when the party is over.

But as long as Canada is run as a corporate fief for the benefit of London and Wall Street,  ramrodded by a handful of self-serving Anglo-Saxon old money in Ontario and Montreal, you will see a growing movement against them or even to secede in Western Canada.

If Ottawa thinks the Bloc Quebec is a problem, they haven't talked to people in Alberta or BC lately, there are more people nowadays in western Canada who really tire of the British colonial administration then in the heavily subsidized French colonial remnant and welfare state.

Add the Chinese to the equation, Vancouver is now a Pan Asian city, and they have far more capital then the British do, and get along with with the locals (and the USAaians as far as that goes)  far better. And they are far better educated and far more acute at business too. When the financial powerbase travels to Vancouver, combined with the decline of the EUropeans, intereting things will be happening to Ontario and Quebec, they merely need to look at the rust belt to the south across the Great Lakes and the St. Lawrence to see their future.

Watch how this plays out during the next century, the pipeline is a small part of it.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker
If Canada can get Ontario out of the equation and use that oil to develop Canada it would be far better. But the corporate thieves can make far more money importing foreign oil and reselling it to the mouth breathing European serfs in Ontario and Quebec at a very high profit then they can with what they pull from the tar pit and shipping it east, or north for use in Canada. That they are selling Canada off to the highest bidder doesn't concern them, for like in other colonies they will be packing their carpetbags and heading home to the UK or to thieve somewhere else when the party is over.

But as long as Canada is run as a corporate fief for the benefit of London and Wall Street,  ramrodded by a handful of self-serving Anglo-Saxon old money in Ontario and Montreal, you will see a growing movement against them or even to secede in Western Canada.

If Ottawa thinks the Bloc Quebec is a problem, they haven't talked to people in Alberta or BC lately, there are more people nowadays in western Canada who really tire of the British colonial administration then in the heavily subsidized French colonial remnant and welfare state.

Add the Chinese to the equation, Vancouver is now a Pan Asian city, and they have far more capital then the British do, and get along with with the locals (and the USAaians as far as that goes)  far better. And they are far better educated and far more acute at business too. When the financial powerbase travels to Vancouver, combined with the decline of the EUropeans, intereting things will be happening to Ontario and Quebec, they merely need to look at the rust belt to the south across the Great Lakes and the St. Lawrence to see their future.

Watch how this plays out during the next century, the pipeline is a small part of it.

The east has Pierre Elliott Trudeau and his NEP to thank for Alberta cutting off its oil supply to the east resulting in them having to import foreign oil.

I hope I am still here a century from now... [:D] Why do you think the powerbase will move to Vancouver?

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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker
It already has started. You don't believe what you see with your own eyes?

Ottawa is already whining about their political influence -
CSIS comments anger Chinese community
A good way to get your comments censored on Yahoo or any of the other Chinese run forums is to suggest the Chinese are taking over British Columbia.
BC has about a generation at best before the rest of the British colonialist influence  are chased out of the province.
The Chinese already run the port, control the biggest banks (which are funded from China) run much of the forestry in the province, etc.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker
It already has started. You don't believe what you see with your own eyes?

Ottawa is already whining about their political influence -
CSIS comments anger Chinese community
A good way to get your comments censored on Yahoo or any of the other Chinese run forums is to suggest the Chinese are taking over British Columbia.
BC has about a generation at best before the rest of the British colonialist influence  are chased out of the province.
The Chinese already run the port, control the biggest banks (which are funded from China) run much of the forestry in the province, etc.

I have not kept up very well on what has been going on up there, I'm afraid.. [&o]

so.. if China is one of the two countries exerting influence, who is the other country?

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Discuss the topic, which is political expediency, not the merits of the pipeline, or kindly leave the thread.