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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/19/2011 8:16:24 PM

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The law prevents interfering in any location she is otherwise authorized to be, therefore, asking her to step out to nurse is interfering in her ability to breastfeed in a location she is authorized to be. It doesn't say anything about "unless allowances are made" or "without providing an alternative". It is quite unequivocal. If she is allowed to be there, she is allowed to breastfeed, and its illegal to interfere in that breastfeeding.

Example, if the school has a "no children allowed in the classroom" policy, then she is agreeing to that policy when she enrolls. They cannot stop or prevent her, nor can they penalize her if she leaves the classroom to breastfeed or pump.

As a nurse, I could have had my son brought to me to breastfeed... and this was long before such laws were in place. However, as a nurse, I would be crazy to do that. Think of the germs... I wouldnt even speak to my son before I stripped and was out of my uniform or scrubs. Some common sense does have to take place.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/19/2011 8:28:49 PM

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Heather, The law does not extend the authorization to be someplace to the child. The law only states if the mother is authorized to be there. You can't read into laws and presume that the authorization is extended to the child.

You are attempting to read the law in a way in which it is not written. You are attempting to give automatic authorization to the child to be where the mother is, and that is not what the law states.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/19/2011 8:35:30 PM

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Also, you can nitpick the term interfering, does it mean that the mother MUST BE at that moment breastfeeding? To me, interfering means that she would be in the process of doing so, not the possibility she may be in the future.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/19/2011 9:10:16 PM

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and that is not what the law states.

Actually it is, at least for the duration of breastfeeding. Anyway, this is pointless, the law is badly written, and you can all parse it the way you want to, I'm just reading what is written and taking the words used at face value without making any further assumptions.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/19/2011 10:16:12 PM

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a civics class teaching empirical standards of moral and ethical behaviour
Wouldn't that be an ethics class? A civics class teaches things about how the government works and stuff like that doesn't it?

Hence my confusion. When I was in school it was all about how to behave in society etc, mixed with some 101s about city planning.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/19/2011 10:31:36 PM

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Actions and intentions do not equate... causing the death of another without intent is still causing the death of another, for example. Hurting someone's feelings unintentionally does not magically unhurt them.

However, intent is the difference between manslaughter, self-defense, and murder.

Yes, so intent is the difference between a light verbal spank, holding her in contempt, or charging her with worse.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/19/2011 10:48:58 PM

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No heather, you are assuming and attempting to change the scope of the law. You may not understand how you are, but that doesn't mean you aren't attempting to do so. You are by the implication making the law about where a mother may take a child because she is breastfeeding, when the law does not speak to that at all.

You may not get how your assumption is attempting to change the scope of same, but it does. This law speaks of where the mother has authority, it does not give the mother the ability to create authority where there isn't any.

Sorry but this law doesn't give a mother who is breastfeeding the right to take her child wherever she chooses, and that is what you are saying it does.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 10:22:03 AM

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Sorry but this law doesn't give a mother who is breastfeeding the right to take her child wherever she chooses, and that is what you are saying it does.

No its not what I'm saying it does at all, in fact I have said it doesn't. You are misunderstanding or misrepresenting what I said.

In the future, please read and reread my posts carefully to make sure you understand what I actually said.

p.s. My name is Heather not heather. It is not a pseudonym adopted for the web site, it is my actual name and as such is a proper noun, and I will thank you to capitalize it.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 10:40:47 AM

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If the lady wants to breastfeed while on a roller-coaster, does the park have to allow the baby on, even though the risks are enormous?
According to the way the law is written, yes, as long as she is authorized to be there. Look, I know its stupid, but it is what it is, and you can't just rewrite a law on the fly. There is a procedure for doing so, and like I said, if you ignore that then all laws are rendered pointless.

You are right that some laws need to be changed, and some should just be thrown out altogether, but the courts are bound by the wording of the law as it stands.

She would have been allowed to be there, but babies are not allowed on roller coasters so it really doesn't matter if she can ride or not. She can't take the kid and breast feed on the coaster. The law stating that she can breastfeed doesn't override the one that says the baby can't ride in the first place.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 11:22:33 AM

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That's mighty brave of you isn't it boi?

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 1:25:04 PM

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The law stating that she can breastfeed doesn't override the one that says the baby can't ride in the first place.

Is that so now? Well then, perhaps you would care to explain the meaning of this phrase: Notwithstanding any other provision of the law.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 1:50:05 PM

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LAWS not rules of the establishment. There is a difference.

Again, be careful in assuming the law gives the breastfeeder the ability to create laws of her own that have nothing to do with breastfeeding. Bringing a child into a place wherein the law does not allow same, does not get revoked because the mother may have to breastfeed while there.

I know it's hard to fathom, but sorry the laws aren't being created to allow women to thumb their noses at laws and rules set in establishments that deny entrance to children in the first place.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 1:55:23 PM

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That's not what he and boi were talking about. Learn to read.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 1:56:21 PM

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Arpig, get some fucking manners this need for you to be an ass everytime you post to someone who you don't like or disagree with is a child's way. learn to be a Man.

And when you are learning to be a man, learn to read yourself, its exactly what its about just a more specific example.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 2:06:16 PM

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Nope, sorry. boi said

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The law stating that she can breastfeed doesn't override the one that says the baby can't ride in the first place.

So sorry, back to grade school for you.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 2:13:55 PM

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Yes, i know what she said but its RULES guiding the people who ride in amusement parks. She simply used the wrong word. Perhaps if you were keen on adding to a discussion instead of being an ass to people, you may have been able to recognize that. And i would guarantee you that in a court of law, the amusement park would win any violation of LAW if they were doing so for the protection of the child. Also, i really hate to do this but you do know what provision of law is yes? It means any law with regard to breastfeeding NOT every law out there. People think this law overrides any other law and it doesn't. Which means a breastfeeding mother won't get out of reckless driving, endangerment violations of laws etc if she decides to breastfeed while driving. I will even go one further and state that the mothers ability to breastfeed in public or private does not even mean she can violate the childseat laws to breastfeed while she is a passenger in a car and take the child out of the seat to breastfeed it.

Laws only govern the amusement parks so much, the actuality of who gets to ride is at the discretion of the parks in and of themselves. However, they do have SAFETY LAWS that they abide by, which is why they have RULES.

People be careful in reading into these laws, they are very clear. Arpig, seriously, know what it is you speak about before posting simply to be an ass.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 2:29:36 PM

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She simply used the wrong word.

Or not. boi usually posts exactly what she means to, she doesn't have a history of using the wrong words. I find it rather presumptuous of you to just decide what word she intended to use out of the blue.

And, even if she did intend to mean something other than she said, he was replying to what she said, so you're still off base. Just accept it Barely, you are talking about a different thing than they are.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 2:31:30 PM

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People be careful in reading into these laws, they are very clear.

Indeed they are, and one should be very careful reading into them things that aren't there, like you are doing for example.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 2:32:55 PM

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Just to flip it around... are you that say she should be able to breast feed in the court room saying that a child should be exempt from the "no eating, drinking, or smoking in the courtroom" provisions?

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/20/2011 2:34:38 PM

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EVEN IF she meant laws, the only viable laws that it would override are on the books breastfeeding laws. So if there was a law saying a woman cannot breastfeed on a ride, it would override that. IT DOES NOT, override laws that have nothing to do with breastfeeding except and unless it states so, which is why many of these laws speak of the nudity laws etc specifically. i.e., a woman can't be cited for nudity laws if she is breastfeeding. As another example of it doesn't override all laws, it doesn't override the murder laws, meaning a woman is not allowed to murder someone just because she is breastfeeding and someone decided to tell her that's not appropriate. See how that works.

It would be interesting if you were able to actually enter the discussion and discuss the topic Arpig, but i understand since you don't have a clue, all you can do is what you are.

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