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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 3:17:00 PM   
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I agree with her, so she won the argument. I do not agree with you, so you lost the argument.

Because you are the decider? Not nearly. You would not be among those that would ever be permitted to decide on an argument, so I'm not terribly concerned.

I already decided on the argument, you silly.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 3:23:17 PM   
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Because when you're in court, you're supposed to be giving your entire attention to the proceedings, as are the people around you.


Even when the case has nothing to do with you?

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The preparations and what you're doing in between the feeding is distracting, whether someone else agrees or not.


She was already breastfeeding quietly in the BACK of the courtroom and the bailiff had to ask TWICE if she was nursing before throwing a hissy fit (because if he had to ask twice, she wasn't exactly being obvious). Most people probably just thought she was cuddling her baby. With a little planning (wearing a nursing top), the preparation to nurse is minimal as is any skin that might be exposed for a moment.

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You don't put on makeup, text or breast feed when you're supposed to be paying attention.


And if the case that is currently being heard has nothing to do with you, are you still supposed to be paying attention? Can you read a book or magazine instead or is a person responsible for someone having the attention-span of a gnat?

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You also shouldn't do things that may distract those around you. Someone else's life may ride on the fact that there are no distractions.


Christina, like the bailiff I think you are blowing this WAY out of proportion. This was not a capital punishment case and it seems as if the bailiff was the only one having trouble keeping his eyes on the courtroom instead of oogling her breasts and being jealous of an infant.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 3:27:21 PM   
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If you're in court for child custody, do you feel that your life as you know it rides in the balance?

If you're in court for something that could put you in jail for a few years do you feel that your life as you know it rides in the balance?

At what point is it ok to do something in court that may be distracting for others and possibly cause someone not to have their case heard fairly?

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 3:29:35 PM   
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LOL.  Hey blushes, how would you like to come to my county on Friday docket day, and whip those people not paying attention into shape.  Including, but not limited to, the members of the bar who didn't get the memo that they are supposed to be giving their entire attention to the proceedings.
Hey, can you give me the cite for the court rule that requires people in the courtroom to give their "entire attention" to the proceedings?
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Because when you're in court, you're supposed to be giving your entire attention to the proceedings, as are the people around you. The preparations and what you're doing in between the feeding is distracting, whether someone else agrees or not. You don't put on makeup, text or breast feed when you're supposed to be paying attention. You also shouldn't do things that may distract those around you. Someone else's life may ride on the fact that there are no distractions.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 3:29:37 PM   
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Because when you're in court, you're supposed to be giving your entire attention to the proceedings, as are the people around you.
Why? Why on earth should I be paying attention to what happens in the 14 cases that precede the one I am there in connection with? Why on earth should I pay any attention to the testimony of other witnesses who testify ahead of me, in fact, if anything I shouldn't pay any attention at all on the off chance that it might influence my testimony.

Similarly, by your reasoning <that merely preparing to nurse a child would distract others>, celebrities should be banned from courtrooms, because I can assure you that having Angelina Jolie sitting in the courtroom would be far greater a distraction than having a woman nurse her child.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 3:30:18 PM   
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At what point is it ok to do something in court that may be distracting for others and possibly cause someone not to have their case heard fairly?


Chrissie, it wasn't disrupting anything until the bailiff made a fuss. Fact is that if he had left well enough alone noone would have known anything was going on.

Furthermore, how can you seriously claim that breastfeeding takes so much attention that it's impossible to both breastfeed and pay attention to what's going on?

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 3:32:15 PM   
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someone has a mighty big stick up their arse when so many laws cover breastfeeding women in public and private places, INCLUDING ALABAMA.
Does it rule out a court anywhere? traffic, family, criminal or civil??
someone show me a cite please?


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 3:32:33 PM   
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Doesn't mean anyone else in the courtroom gives a fuck.  On the contrary, they probably just wish you would shut up so their case can get called and they can get the hell out of there.
The judges are pretty good at screening out the noise.  I can't think of one judge I know who would quit paying attention to the proceedings in front of them because they are so distracted by the possibility of getting a glimpse of some lady's tit.
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If you're in court for child custody, do you feel that your life as you know it rides in the balance?

If you're in court for something that could put you in jail for a few years do you feel that your life as you know it rides in the balance?

At what point is it ok to do something in court that may be distracting for others and possibly cause someone not to have their case heard fairly?


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 3:37:48 PM   
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Because when you're in court, you're supposed to be giving your entire attention to the proceedings, as are the people around you.
Why? Why on earth should I be paying attention to what happens in the 14 cases that precede the one I am there in connection with? Why on earth should I pay any attention to the testimony of other witnesses who testify ahead of me, in fact, if anything I shouldn't pay any attention at all on the off chance that it might influence my testimony.

Similarly, by your reasoning <that merely preparing to nurse a child would distract others>, celebrities should be banned from courtrooms, because I can assure you that having Angelina Jolie sitting in the courtroom would be far greater a distraction than having a woman nurse her child.




If your case isn't being heard, by all means, notify someone and GO OUTSIDE the courtroom to breastfeed. Problem solved.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 3:39:27 PM   
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Doesn't mean anyone else in the courtroom gives a fuck.  On the contrary, they probably just wish you would shut up so their case can get called and they can get the hell out of there.
The judges are pretty good at screening out the noise.  I can't think of one judge I know who would quit paying attention to the proceedings in front of them because they are so distracted by the possibility of getting a glimpse of some lady's tit.
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If you're in court for child custody, do you feel that your life as you know it rides in the balance?

If you're in court for something that could put you in jail for a few years do you feel that your life as you know it rides in the balance?

At what point is it ok to do something in court that may be distracting for others and possibly cause someone not to have their case heard fairly?


I'm not talking about the judges necessarily. People DO get distracted by many things. This could have easily been avoided. That's all I'm saying.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 3:41:06 PM   
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I'm not talking about the judges necessarily. People DO get distracted by many things. This could have easily been avoided. That's all I'm saying.


Yes it could have - if the bailiff had kept his mouth shut.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 3:41:14 PM   
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If you're in court for child custody, do you feel that your life as you know it rides in the balance?

If you're in court for something that could put you in jail for a few years do you feel that your life as you know it rides in the balance?

At what point is it ok to do something in court that may be distracting for others and possibly cause someone not to have their case heard fairly?


Let's actually look at the facts in this case according to the woman's posting and interviews:

1) she was at court about getting a ticket for not taking a boaters safety course (not child custody, no jail time but more of a municipal level court dealing with traffic tickets and the such)

2) she was sitting in the back of the courtroom (so the only people who could see her were sitting either next to her, across the aisle from her (also in the back of the courtroom), entering the courtroom, or were in the very front of the courtroom facing the back of the room.

3) She was appropriately covered and already nursing when her case was called and she asked for a moment to set herself to rights. The child is 5 months old so most likely she is still nursing on demand.


These are the facts according to the woman's post on the board that caused this blogging bruhaha.


I still fail to see how any of this would be distracting to anyone.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 3:47:40 PM   
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If your case isn't being heard, by all means, notify someone and GO OUTSIDE the courtroom to breastfeed.
And Angelina? Or the disabled person who has a noisy compressor on his oxygen apparatus? Or simply the damned hot looking woman? Or the punk rock type with the 3' blue and green mohawk? Or the person with the severe facial deformity? Or the local politician? Or the group of bikers? All these people should have to leave or wait outside the courtroom on the off chance that they might distract somebody?

Don't you see just how ridiculous your argument is here?

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 3:48:57 PM   
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Because when you're in court, you're supposed to be giving your entire attention to the proceedings, as are the people around you.
Why? Why on earth should I be paying attention to what happens in the 14 cases that precede the one I am there in connection with? Why on earth should I pay any attention to the testimony of other witnesses who testify ahead of me, in fact, if anything I shouldn't pay any attention at all on the off chance that it might influence my testimony.

Similarly, by your reasoning <that merely preparing to nurse a child would distract others>, celebrities should be banned from courtrooms, because I can assure you that having Angelina Jolie sitting in the courtroom would be far greater a distraction than having a woman nurse her child.




If your case isn't being heard, by all means, notify someone and GO OUTSIDE the courtroom to breastfeed. Problem solved.


But why? Was this breaking a law of some kind?

I've just recently attended Crown Court here. There was nothing, bar violence, that could possibly have rattled our QC or our attending judge.

To say it was professional would be understating, even for me.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 3:55:46 PM   
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If your case isn't being heard, by all means, notify someone and GO OUTSIDE the courtroom to breastfeed.
And Angelina? Or the disabled person who has a noisy compressor on his oxygen apparatus? Or simply the damned hot looking woman? Or the punk rock type with the 3' blue and green mohawk? Or the person with the severe facial deformity? Or the local politician? Or the group of bikers? All these people should have to leave or wait outside the courtroom on the off chance that they might distract somebody?

Don't you see just how ridiculous your argument is here?



As Heather said..

Dearie me, I don't think we're talking about someone doing/being/ looking shocking........I think the bother is purely down to personal prejudices which at bottom line, don't or shouldn't, matter.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 4:03:03 PM   
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I wish you would point out what about anything she wrote was insulting or ridiculous.
OK, now this is getting a little ridiculous. I pointed out exactly what about her posts I found ridiculous in the post you quoted. In fact, that was all that was in the post you quoted.
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She stated her opinion. It is different from yours. If that insults you, then you need to....here it comes....grow the fuck up.
I didn't say I was insulted, I said that her statements were ridiculous. Please show me where I said I was insulted by anything she posted?
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In this debate the two sides can be easily distinguished. Those supporting a mother's right to breastfeed undisturbed have made sensible, reasoned posts. Those who oppose, on the other hand have made ridiculous, insulting, impassioned and to be honest, occasionally asinine (Hi VP) posts.
The above quote shows your original statement.  Those who agree with me are sensible, those that do not are insulting.

If you are not insulted, then, pray tell who were you referring to.

The "ridiculous" things you quoted were not ridiculous to me.  Thus, I asked for you to point out something she had said that was insulting or ridiculous.

So, again, please show me when anything that was ridiculous or insulting has been stated by anyone who is disagreeing with you?


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 4:15:13 PM   
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If your case isn't being heard, by all means, notify someone and GO OUTSIDE the courtroom to breastfeed.
And Angelina? Or the disabled person who has a noisy compressor on his oxygen apparatus? Or simply the damned hot looking woman? Or the punk rock type with the 3' blue and green mohawk? Or the person with the severe facial deformity? Or the local politician? Or the group of bikers? All these people should have to leave or wait outside the courtroom on the off chance that they might distract somebody?

Don't you see just how ridiculous your argument is here?



No. Because this could be avoided. There's a reason celebrities are often granted alternative ways to testify, btw.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 4:17:29 PM   
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If your case isn't being heard, by all means, notify someone and GO OUTSIDE the courtroom to breastfeed.
And Angelina? Or the disabled person who has a noisy compressor on his oxygen apparatus? Or simply the damned hot looking woman? Or the punk rock type with the 3' blue and green mohawk? Or the person with the severe facial deformity? Or the local politician? Or the group of bikers? All these people should have to leave or wait outside the courtroom on the off chance that they might distract somebody?

Don't you see just how ridiculous your argument is here?



As Heather said..

Dearie me, I don't think we're talking about someone doing/being/ looking shocking........I think the bother is purely down to personal prejudices which at bottom line, don't or shouldn't, matter.

agirl



I promise I'm not prejudiced against breast feeding. I've done it in a mall and in a park and other places. We just have differences of opinion regarding proper court decorum. Maybe I was raised differently, or maybe it's my paralegal training, Idk.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 4:25:54 PM   
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If your case isn't being heard, by all means, notify someone and GO OUTSIDE the courtroom to breastfeed.
And Angelina? Or the disabled person who has a noisy compressor on his oxygen apparatus? Or simply the damned hot looking woman? Or the punk rock type with the 3' blue and green mohawk? Or the person with the severe facial deformity? Or the local politician? Or the group of bikers? All these people should have to leave or wait outside the courtroom on the off chance that they might distract somebody?

Don't you see just how ridiculous your argument is here?



No. Because this could be avoided. There's a reason celebrities are often granted alternative ways to testify, btw.


Ok, I think we all get the gist that a celebrity might cause other people to be a bit twattish.......... but who is interested in some run of the mill girl feeding her baby?

No-one has yet answered this...... was she breaking a law? Was she doing something wrong, legally? Or is it just a matter of *feeling* it's not the right thing to do?

Surely in court of all places, that matters?

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 4:37:17 PM   
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So regardless of whether or not breastfeeding in public is "legal," are there times it is simply inappropriate to do so? Is it appropriate during church services? How about in the middle of a wedding ceremony?


Going by the above in the OP, I don't think the point was to discuss the legalities, but to get different folks feelings on it.

To me, it is inappropriate to breastfeed in a courtroom.  To others, it obviously is not.

I breastfed in places that I am sure would offend someone, but, the point, to me anyhow, is that the judge has the right to ask you to leave his courtroom, be it for breastfeeding or picking your nose.  Have a coughing fit, sigh loudly several times, get caught eating a bag of chips because you have been sitting in a trial and a nervous wreck and you are trying to shut up the growling sounds your stomach is making.  Wtfe, it is his or her courtroom.

Could it have been handled differently?  Couldn't everything be handled differently, looking back?






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