SpanishMatMaster
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ORIGINAL: EmilyRocks quote:
Emily, I am sorry but this circular. You take as premise that 2+2=4 (and that this is absolutely certain, I hope) and then you conclude that any other scenario is impossible and therefore 2+2=4 is absolutely certain. No, I conclude that any scenario in which 2+2 does not equal 4 is impossible. See the difference? The impossibility of the scenarios stems from the certainty of 2+2=4, it does not confirm it. But you use this impossibility to try to prove that 2+2=4 is certain, so it is circular. Anyway, nevermind. If it is a premise of you, then ok, but then you still have to demonstrate that 2+2=4 is certain, as you are using it as premise for the impossibility of all other scenarios. And that was, like, the original task. So, please do. Or recognize that you can't. quote:
ORIGINAL: EmilyRocks quote:
Because the meaning you think the symbols are, and the concepts you think they represents, apparently allow you to make a reasoning, which you consider correct... Again incorrect. Allow me to restate this correctly: Because the meaning you KNOW the symbols are, and the concepts you KNOW they represents, OBVIOUSLY FORCE you to make a reasoning, which you KNOW IS correct... You should have to demonstrate all this too. With absolute certainty. quote:
ORIGINAL: EmilyRocks quote:
Again: Prove with absolute certainty that any situation where 2+2 is not 4 is impossible, or admit #388A.2 . Thank you. I have proved it several times beyond all doubt, I will state it one last time. Any situation where 2+2 is not 4 is impossible because 2+2 IS 4. Again - how can you say that 2+2=4 with absolute certainty? We started with that question: How can you say 2+2=4 with absolute certainty? Only if you can refute the other scenarios. But if you refute them with "2+2=4 is absolute certain", this proof is circular. 1. 2+2=4 is absolute certain. 2(1). Therefore, all other scenarios are false. 3(2). Therefore, 2+2=4 is absolute certain. This is a circular proof, and therefore, invalid. And it is what you are doing. Make a valid proof that 2+2=4 is absolutely certain or admit that #388A.2 holds.
< Message edited by SpanishMatMaster -- 12/16/2011 10:58:23 PM >
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