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First steps - 11/21/2011 3:15:36 AM   
alb10n


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Hi guys and girls,

I have always been the dominant partner when I have been with my ex girlfriends but have never really strayed that far in to BDSM. I have always fantasised about having a slave but as of yet have not managed to persuade any girlfriends to play along.

I have been skimming through the message board trying to pick things up but I am still a little lost as to where to start. I see that you can train someone to be a slave and that there are people who specialise in specifically training slaves. But from the perspective of a master how do you start that ball rolling? I appreciate I am in the right place to find willing individuals but I am worried about my lack of experience, and how that will affect the slave or submissive partners experience.

How did you get into the dominance scene and how did you get experience?#

If any one could impart some knowledge I will be extremely grateful
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RE: First steps - 11/21/2011 4:15:29 AM   
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It's actually not that hard.  There are two ways to do that:  1. Start in with a sub woman.  2. Start in with a vanilla woman and try to get her to respond to being a sub.

I've had far better luck with approach #1.  Use sites like this or Fetlife to connect online with local kinksters.  All you need to do is strike up a vanilla conversation and see if you two are compatible in the nonkink world first.  If so, move into questions online about kink.  If things still go well, ask to meet at a public place.

If you try approach #2, just keep it vanilla.  When you move in for a kiss, get a handful of hair and use it to hold her head while you kiss her.  Try swatting her rump and see how she responds.  She'll either like it a lot or dislike it a lot, or else be simply curious.

Good luck.

Edited to add:  Oh, yeah, forget about training a slave.  First off, not every sub is cut out to be a slave.  Second, you're nowhere near ready for doing that.  Third, 99% of the men who claim to do that are wankers who don't know what they're doing.  When you get a sub, just work with her to make sure you both get your rocks off and don't use the "training" label.


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RE: First steps - 11/21/2011 4:28:31 AM   
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To become a dominant man, first become a man. Learn to think. Learn patience. Earn respect.

Less general advice. Start small. A whispered "request" to a vanilla girlfriend, "roll over on your stomach" ...massage, ending at the buttocks, gets firmer, then..."Id like to spank you a little"... then follow your instincts..... but remember, you are now taking responsibility for what happens. You don't need to rush into things, you've a whole life of exploration ahead.

You don't generally start right out owning a slave.

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RE: First steps - 11/21/2011 4:28:47 AM   
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Thanks for the good advise.

I'm thinking I might go down the route of finding someone who is interested in being submissive but is as new as I am in regards to the whole thing, that way there will be less pressure to be awesome at if from the off.

In regards to the whole slave training thing, I will keep that in mind. I don't want to do anything that will leave my partner not enjoying themselves because that's the whole point :)


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RE: First steps - 11/21/2011 6:28:03 AM   
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If you're interested in kinky activities as opposed to just being the leader in the relationship, then you will benefit from joining your local community and taking workshops in how to do these activities safely. You can practice at home on a pillow if impact play. You should also when using a crop or a whip have exquisite control and be able to just touch a tissue pinned to a clothes line vs tearing it to shreds. You want to be able to just kiss the sub's skin, not always cause them to need to be stitched up by the local hospital.

The more confident you are in your abilities, the more others will feel confident allowing you to do things to them.


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RE: First steps - 11/21/2011 6:33:34 AM   
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Thanks for the tips DesFIP, I have been looking for a local community on-line but have had no luck finding one. Iv put a plea on my journal so hopefully someone will know of one.

I'm thinking I will need quite a bit of practice before I use a whip, as you so eloquently explained the aim is to titillate not to butcher.

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RE: First steps - 11/21/2011 10:31:11 AM   
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I would suggest setting up an account on fetlife and doing a search for your home town. I've had a quick look and there's stuff going on in Wigan, and there's a couple of chat groups for people in Preston. Might be worth a look!

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RE: First steps - 11/21/2011 11:14:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: alb10n
I see that you can train someone to be a slave and that there are people who specialise in specifically training slaves.
I'd take that with a grain of salt.


I'm going to agree with others. Find your local community and find someone near you to become a mentor.


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RE: First steps - 11/21/2011 12:59:52 PM   
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Thanks everyone, ill check out that site and i like the idea of a mentor Osidegirl :)

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RE: First steps - 11/21/2011 8:10:24 PM   
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Pretty much agree with everything said so far.  A couple other thoughts to add -

I'll take Top/Bottom as separate from Dominant/Submissive.  In a relationship they often go together, but in looking to start learning they don't always -

Learning to Top and toy play is the has some "technical" aspects, and so is the easiest to learn some of the basics from 2nd hand sources.  What parts of the body to avoid hitting, things to consider and have on hand when playing, how to prepare for accidents, what toys are easiest for beginners to pick up on, ideas for simple things to start with, etc.  A lot of that you can get from books or online. 

Read up on something before asking someone to mentor you - showing you've done what you can on your own is much more likely to get a favorable response than going in not having put any effort into it.  One shows promise and is willing to work to learn, the other is someone who probably just wants a quick answer and things handed to them.

Once you know the very basics, if there is a specific implement you're wanting to learn (cane, crop, dragontail, needles, etc), finding someone who has used it quite a bit and is willing to teach you some stuff is the best next step.   Another top who knows how to use it is most likely who you'd ask.  But even an experienced bottom can get you started since they're likely to know nearly as much as the top, and may be willing to let you practice on them and let you know what you're doing right or wrong.

Without a mentor/teacher (and even with one) - start with simple things.  A bit of hair pulling, spanking, paddling, simple bondage, clothespins, etc.  Things that are fairly easy to play with, fairly difficult to majorly screw up, and offer a way for you to start learning what it is you really like, and what you're just meh about. 

The thing about Top/Bottom is that if you're willing to work to learn, being new and inexperienced shouldn't be much of a handicap.  Everyone had to start somewhere, and in general people are friendly enough to help.


Dominant/Submissive can be a little trickier.  A novice, uncertain, submissive can sometimes be kinda hot.  A novice, uncertain dominant rarely is.  So, how do you get past that nervous and uncertain stage without knowing what you're doing. 
  1. Don't claim to be more than you're not.  It's much better to let a submissive know that you're still learning as you go than to claim to be experienced an infallible.
  2. But that doesn't mean you have to reveal everything.  If you're trying to do X, and it turns into Y - If Y turns out to be something you guys liked, you don't have to admit you were going for X.  Take notes on notes on how to recreate Y as well as why you think you didn't get X, and move along.  Magicians don't reveal all their tricks.
  3. Be confident, but not cocky.  You know you want to be a dominant, you know you want a submissive.  Start with that.  Just as long as you realize that calling yourself dominant doesn't give you any sort of authority over someone who has not agreed to submit to you, and that it doesn't always make you right.
  4. Start with some basic rules or rituals to help enforce the dynamic.  "Always walk on my right side" or "In the morning, have a cup of coffee ready for me".  Simple things that are D/s in nature but don't require some sort of arcane mastery.  Implement a rule/ritual/protocol.  See how it works.  If it doesn't, then change it or toss it. 
    • While it is in effect though, be consistent.  It's fine to want coffee everything morning this week, and not want it next week -- As long as it really is expected this week, and you say ahead of time 'next week, forget the coffee in the morning'
  5. Take notes.  What worked, what didn't work, why you think it didn't, things to try next, etc.  Eventually you'll get certain things you prefer, certain protocols you always want, certain ways you want things done.  Taking notes at the beginning may help.
  6. Don't get wrapped up in the fantasy.  "D/s relationships are deeper than vanilla relationships", "The kinky community is more open an honest than vanilla relationships", etc.  

An experienced submissive is not necessarily unwilling to serve a novice dominant.  In some ways, helping you discover what it is you like, don't like, and want out of a bdsm relationship can for them be yet another service they are providing you.  Having an experienced submissive teach you various things about bdsm can easily be part of your D/s dynamic. 


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RE: First steps - 11/22/2011 12:11:28 PM   
alb10n


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Thanks for the tips, iv started to talking a girl who likes being told what to do so hopefully we can learn together.










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RE: First steps - 11/22/2011 11:30:39 PM   
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Yeah, sorry... big wet blanket to the Dommy party here... but one cannot learn to be dominant (or submissive, for that matter) -- ya either are or you aren't, and the ones who try to be something they're not are soooooooooooo transparent.

Maybe you are, maybe you're not... dunno... don't know you.  Kink is easy... if it feels good, then do it.  The dominant/submissive thing???  Ya are or ya aren't.



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