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LafayetteLady -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/4/2011 8:13:12 PM)

Well, that is why I asked.

The point is EVERYTHING in life has some "risk" to it.  Driving a car.  Hell, walking down the street.  I never would have thought I would get run over, on the sidewalk!  But shit happens.

And with each activity, there is the question of how much that risk can be mitigated.  How many people suffer from bowel perforations (which I agree is a real risk and quite dangerous) each year from fisting (not from other factors)?  Compare that to how many people have complilcations related to injecting fluid into one's bladder for fun?  Are there even records that specify the WHY of the complication?




hausboy -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/4/2011 8:35:14 PM)

Hi LafayetteLady--
well, I'll take your comment one step further.... it's more like, driving under the influence of alcohol.  Thousands of people do this everyday....and somehow...they manage to get home without killing themselves or someone else.... yet we know that it's a gamble that does not go in their favor.  Both the sober driver and the drunk driver are doing the same activity--driving--both can crash...both can arrive safely....but one has a far greater risk of having a very poor outcome.

A bit of side thread: but....fisting....
I love fisting--it's one of my favorite things to do. (I prefer vaginal fisting--anal fisting is a lot more difficult) I learned from some of the best fisters out there (yes, the ones who write the darn books on fisting!) and after reading up on the subject, attending several totally HOT workshops where I saw my friends demonstrating, I got a, no pun intended, hands on tutorial.

I swear---this ain't wank fodder--it's the whole truth--two way cool leatherdykes that I'd been flirting with at a student conference (I was 22 and a student myself) took me back to their trailer in the woods. In addition to a bunch of other fun things, she fisted her girlfriend as I watched, talking to me through it, and then literally said: Now it's your turn.  And the two of them--talked me thru the whole process, gently, slowly and carefully.  And later on in the weekend, provided feedback to help me learn the craft.  I've fisted a number of women since--and I always caution those who are interested... where to go for good information, and to be exceptionally careful and communicative, as fisting does carry risks to the fistee.




tazzygirl -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/4/2011 8:51:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Well, that is why I asked.

The point is EVERYTHING in life has some "risk" to it.  Driving a car.  Hell, walking down the street.  I never would have thought I would get run over, on the sidewalk!  But shit happens.

And with each activity, there is the question of how much that risk can be mitigated.  How many people suffer from bowel perforations (which I agree is a real risk and quite dangerous) each year from fisting (not from other factors)?  Compare that to how many people have complilcations related to injecting fluid into one's bladder for fun?  Are there even records that specify the WHY of the complication?


10 years in nursing, and I havent had one patient who had that complication. I am not, in any way shape or form saying it doesnt happen. It just hasnt happened to patients I have taken care of. I also took care of 50 dialysis patients. I heard all their stories. Drug and alcohol abuse, diabetes, high blood pressure, congenital deformities, car accidents, even had one patient who was there because of the side effect of a medication he was prescribed.

That doesnt mean it doesnt happen. But, compared to the number of people who irrigate their catheters, the incidence is small.

I am not brushing your concerns under the rug. I have agreed that his can be dangerous, that it has its inherent risks, as does many kinks. But I also believe its better to actually discuss the why's and hows, including directing people to proper information, then to say.. "no... its dangerous.. and you are stupid for trying."




LafayetteLady -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/4/2011 11:19:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

10 years in nursing, and I havent had one patient who had that complication. I am not, in any way shape or form saying it doesnt happen. It just hasnt happened to patients I have taken care of. I also took care of 50 dialysis patients. I heard all their stories. Drug and alcohol abuse, diabetes, high blood pressure, congenital deformities, car accidents, even had one patient who was there because of the side effect of a medication he was prescribed.

That doesnt mean it doesnt happen. But, compared to the number of people who irrigate their catheters, the incidence is small.

I am not brushing your concerns under the rug. I have agreed that his can be dangerous, that it has its inherent risks, as does many kinks. But I also believe its better to actually discuss the why's and hows, including directing people to proper information, then to say.. "no... its dangerous.. and you are stupid for trying."


Where you would see those mishaps is in the ER (or is ED the PC way to say it now?).  Same thing with fisting mishaps, or unusal objects found in strange places.

Yes, there are things where giving people accurate information is a good thing.  It should include where to get face to face instruction.  There are times, however, to say "that's stupid, don't do it."  Looking for instructions on the internet for risky play falls in that category.  In other words, the answer to the question is, attend munches and groups in your area to find someone who is experienced at this and ask if they will teach you." 

While most things need to be done hands on to learn, the riskier behaviors are pretty much the only "safe" way to learn.  I have to be honest, when I see people posting about this and others posting about clitorectomies and other nonsense, I can only think of one thing.  Where the hell are the Darwin Awards when you need them?




tazzygirl -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/5/2011 4:13:18 AM)

Kink friendly Doctor.

Can they pose a danger? Yes, if the technique is done wrong they could. My suggestion would be to read as much as you can, hit some medical sites for exactly how to do this safely, talk to others who have done this, and proceed with extreme caution.

Not sure what you are disagreeing with me about.




Piercemenow -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/5/2011 8:07:49 AM)

Hmmm. I STILL want to do a bladder irrigation.




angelikaJ -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/5/2011 8:48:44 AM)

Most of the people here aren't telling you you can't; they are saying get all the information from the best possible sources and know damn well what you are doing before you attempt it.

It is seeming that the taboo and/or the danger is what is making it so appealing to you.
So, from that I can't tell if it is sensation or danger you are seeking.

If it is sensation then look for demos or find a kink aware doctor and use all available precautions to minimise the risk and if it is the taboo factor... then best of luck.




tazzygirl -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/5/2011 12:26:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Piercemenow

Hmmm. I STILL want to do a bladder irrigation.


Im going to be blunt with you.

Yep, I know you want too.

Are you, or whoever you are planning on doing this to, healthy enough to have it done?

THAT should be your first priority. Which is why I said...

Find a kink friendly Doctor.

Be Honest with him/her about what you want to do, so they know what to check for.

And follow their advice. IF they say no... then its no. Your life, or the life of the person you want to do this with, isnt worth your kink!




hausboy -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/5/2011 3:20:14 PM)

Exactly, OP.

The activity that you are suggesting is....how shall I put this?  Not exactly the garden variety BDSM activity.  It's  a bit more complex...and skilled....than doing a lot of the other types of things that get described on this site.  It's easy in comparison to learn how to spank, flog, fist etc.

Alright. I give up.  This is for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foD9k8wbSp4
It doesn't address irrigation, nor does it cover proper sterile techniques for opening the packaging or handling the cath, but you can find those online as well.

Note that the narrator repeats the necessity for GETTING MEDICAL DIRECTION. There is a reason for that--you can really cause problems for yourself if you don't know what you're doing. I could barely watch this video....even though she was demonstrating on a medical model...yikes. to each his own! 
I'm going to stick to my original answer and advise against exploring with catheters.  If you were playing with an RN or such, I'd say go for it--but untrained folk--I advise against.

good luck to you--I know that it can be frustrating to have a kink that seems difficult to get fulfilled.  On the plus side, I have run across a lot of kinky RN's so you may find someone willing to indulge you.




tazzygirl -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/5/2011 4:32:41 PM)

For the right price, I could be persuaded... with an H&P from their Dr.




Aswad -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/5/2011 5:00:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

There are times, however, to say "that's stupid, don't do it."  Looking for instructions on the internet for risky play falls in that category.


In my experience, that bit of feedback rarely does anything useful, whereas informing people gives them an idea of just how much they don't yet know about a subject that can seem a lot less complicated with no knowledge of it than it does with the basics. Thus, the risk is mitigated and the likelihood of convincing someone they need more information and a hands on bit of teaching rises substantially.

The harshest feedback I've given so far was the lady that wanted to use the shower head for an enema while pregnant, and I stand by making the attempt at 'scaring' her out of it on account of her clearly shopping for the answers she had already decided she wanted to hear. If she had been more approachable, I would have tried to explain the nature of the risk and perhaps place it in perspective.

However, the OP was not unapproachable, and what he asks can be done with quite acceptable risks, if he takes the time to learn the implications of what he is trying to do. People here have encouraged him to do just that: learn. And as far as I've read, it seems the consensus has indeed been that he needs to learn about this face to face with someone in the know. There's nothing to suggest that it would be productive to say "no, you're stupid, go away" or anything of the sort.

Also, it isn't productive to exaggerate the risk, either, as that tends to cause legitimate concerns to be dismissed. Rightly or not, it is certainly understandable, as one erodes trust and confidence in the reply, leaving no reasonable replies with actual credibility in the eyes of the reader to impress the need for said legitimate concerns to be addressed. Information can be a double edged sword, but ignorance always has the edge to the wielder's neck.

Health,
al-Aswad.





LafayetteLady -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/5/2011 5:18:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

can be done with quite acceptable risks



You and I have different views of what "acceptable risks" are.

Barring that, I wasn't talking about the OP's particular desire as I was in general.  Because there are things in general that the appropropriate response IS, "that's stupid, don't do it."  Some things that may make really neat fantasies would be very stupid to act out in real life.

I don't deny that I don't do urine play, regardless of the risk, although for me, with my physical health, the risk IS unacceptable, but as a general rule, I don't play to the "everyone should be able to do what they want whether it is my particular kink or not" tune.  I'm quite comfortable drawing a line in the sand about certain things that go beyond our basic TOS guidelines.  Breeding, castration, forced anorexia, clitorectomies, fetishized amputations, etc.  are things that may make great fantasies, but if considered as a reality do indicate some serious pyschological issues that need to be addressed and I have zero problem telling those people the idea of making their fantasies a reality is indeed stupid and that they shouldn't do it.

I respect your knowledge and your posts.  Obviously, it is a one way street.  However, failing to have the ability to draw a line in the sand between what is simply kink and what surpasses risk into dangerous and harmful behavior indicates a lack of social consciousness that says you would happily take that knife and slice the person's neck without remorse, empathy or any sense of morality.

ETA: To make certain it is perfectly clear, for the OP we are talking about the difference between someone reading some posts on the internet and believing they are competent to engage in such play vs. attending workshops, seminars and talking with people who have and can give actual hands on training in the activity.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/5/2011 7:35:46 PM)

I think we've all advised the OP to get his ducks in a row and get training hands on from someone who knows what they are doing.





LafayetteLady -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/5/2011 10:59:01 PM)

I agree, however, there are a great number of people who really think they can truly learn how to do something just by reading about it on the internet or watching some "tutorial" on youtube.




Termyn8or -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/5/2011 11:09:26 PM)

And it will go out the other ear.

Oh by the way - FR.

By the time osmeone has the balls to post it, they are going to do it unless someone comes and locks them up so they can't.

I don't recommend shit like this but actually I wouldn't mind giving it a whirl. What stops me is I do not know enough. If I ever decide to do it I will get the info.

T^T




angelikaJ -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/6/2011 5:47:43 AM)

I have a question for the OP, although I am hesitant to ask lest it make you counter-intuitively more determined to try this without understanding what you are doing or what the risks are.

Have you ever had a UTI?
It varies from person to person but in my case It feels like you are peeing strong acid after having your urethra scraped with a wire brush; think of lemon juice on a good sized cut and multiply it by 10, going down the entire length of your tube and not stopping once you finished voiding and then you feel like you have a white hot poker left inside.
But wait, it gets better: you also feel like you have to pee all the time even though you just went, you go to pee and a few drops to a teaspoon comes out, feeling like shards of glass all over again and a few seconds to a few minutes later you get that same urge to pee all over again.

If you manage to get a particularly nasty infection and it moves up into your kidneys, you can develop a fever, chills, nausea, headache and usually pretty severe back pain.
And if you were lucky like me, you get pain just like a kidney stone (which is often compared as being as severe as labor pains... in my case, the miscarriage was a six and this was an 8).

Perhaps your body doesn't differentiate between good pain and bad, but in the event it does and you prefer to avoid the latter I just thought I would let you know.




Duskypearls -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/6/2011 8:56:37 AM)

I'm of the mindset of just because you can do something, it doesn't mean you should.




tazzygirl -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/6/2011 10:43:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls

I'm of the mindset of just because you can do something, it doesn't mean you should.


I agree to that mind set. Not everyone does. My feeling is, with those people, its best to arm them with information instead of a round of denials.




Aswad -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/6/2011 6:04:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Obviously, it is a one way street.


I hope I misread this, else I've left you with the wrong impression.

Please don't mistake my posting habits for a lack of respect.

quote:

However, failing to have the ability to draw a line in the sand between what is simply kink and what surpasses risk into dangerous and harmful behavior indicates a lack of social consciousness that says you would happily take that knife and slice the person's neck without remorse, empathy or any sense of morality.


Social consciousness, maybe. Empathy, yes. Morality, yes. Remorse, no. Cutting necks, limit. [;)]

My social consciousness is framed in the context of my morality and worldview. I believe it is important to individuals, communities and the species as a whole to not only permit, but encourage, freedom and the attendant accountability for all adults. Especially those whose goals and priorities we do not share, as it is meaningless to speak of the freedom to be copies of ourselves. In the final analysis, causality enforces accountability more consistently than any of us, and it is at times a kindness to educate on unforeseen consequences as well as possible. The choice, however, I would not deprive someone of needlessly.

Your life is not a game to be played by my rules, nor is theirs.

I have drawn plenty of lines in the sand, and even the occasional stick figure, but I keep it to my corner of the beach as a general rule. Whether people go for a swim, or stick to sunbathing, or want to play volley, that's not my concern. I might even participate. But crossing the lines I have drawn is usually dealt with in person, the possible outcomes tending to be few in number. Telling someone something is stupid doesn't solve a problem and it doesn't adequately or effectively enforce the lines.

The way you handle your car is likely to strike me as an unwarranted risk benefit tradeoff, given that it's been the case for essentially all drivers I've spoken to from the same continent. Assuming you can somehow survive without, then it's also beyond my vocabulary to express what my objective assessment of petroleum based fuel use is. But I've no need to do it, and it likely won't cause you to stop using it until you can retrofit it to using some other energy source, or indeed even to perform such a retrofit. And environmental concerns are far down on the list of issues when making this analogy.

Respecting unshared goals, choices, priorities and so forth, while allowing some leeway for mistakes and plain, honest ignorance, is essentially the only way I can condone the continued existence of the species... from a social consciousness perspective, at least.

Health,
al-Aswad.





Duskypearls -> RE: Internal Water Sports? (12/6/2011 6:24:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Duskypearls

I'm of the mindset of just because you can do something, it doesn't mean you should.


I agree to that mind set. Not everyone does. My feeling is, with those people, its best to arm them with information instead of a round of denials.


Agreed.




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