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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 9:59:38 PM   
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Want a different answer?  Ask a question regarding something that isn't ILLEGAL.


Or ask a politician who would vote for making gay marriage legal.

JANE SCHMIDT: One of my main concerns is government support for the LGBT community. So my question is what would you do to protect GSAs in high school and support the LGBT community.

IMPERATRIXX: Well any bill that would support the federal legalization of gay marriage would have my support, it's already legal in parts of the US and I believe that until a federal law is passed, states have the right to validate gay marriages.

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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:03:37 PM   
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I got what you were driving at. Really, i did.

But as i was reading, i was wondering if there were lines of text missing....or i've stayed up way past my bedtime.

Um, the only thing i can say here would be that interracial marriages were illegal at one point, really not so long ago. So it would be something that could be a legit argument. I'm sure similar conversations took place at that time in history, and it would sound rather silly at this point.

Maybe a disclaimer would have helped? Or a compare/contrast? T chart? Something?

ETA: a sentence because my thinking is mildly clouded. Ok, bedtime.

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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:04:37 PM   
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Want a different answer?  Ask a question regarding something that isn't ILLEGAL.


Or ask a politician who would vote for making gay marriage legal.

JANE SCHMIDT: One of my main concerns is government support for the LGBT community. So my question is what would you do to protect GSAs in high school and support the LGBT community.

IMPERATRIXX: Well any bill that would support the federal legalization of gay marriage would have my support, it's already legal in parts of the US and I believe that until a federal law is passed, states have the right to validate gay marriages.

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Sure... but it works the other way as well -- i.e., those who'd vote AGAINST it.  Obviously goes both ways (no punn intended)





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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:09:12 PM   
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Sure... but it works the other way as well -- i.e., those who'd vote AGAINST it.  Obviously goes both ways (no punn intended)


Constitutional rights are not subject to abridgement by popular vote. Without a very compelling reason and a narrowly tailored law, the government has no business in this area.

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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:10:04 PM   
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And here I thought you were worth the time to communicate with.  You're not. 

The "ignorance" is yours.  One issue is ILLEGAL... the other is not.  You'd know that, but for you lack of common sense.





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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:11:53 PM   
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Address someone else... I mistakingly afforded you some credibility, where none was warranted.





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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:13:04 PM   
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And here I thought you were worth the time to communicate with.  You're not. 

The "ignorance" is yours.  One issue is ILLEGAL... the other is not.  You'd know that, but for you lack of common sense.






I tried hinting at it, but I'll go ahead and spell it out.

The issue here isn't the fact that Bachmann feels same-sex marriage is illegal. That much isn't in dispute. I'll go ahead and concede to you that it is illegal.

Instead, the issue here is that Bachmann feels that same-sex marriage should be illegal.

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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:18:16 PM   
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I don't give a shit what you think -- communicate with someone who does.



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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:18:34 PM   
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Sure... but it works the other way as well -- i.e., those who'd vote AGAINST it.  Obviously goes both ways (no punn intended)


Right. I think that's why so many people are judging what Bachmann said. Not because they are unaware that gay marriage is currently illegal, but because they disagree with her stance that it should remain so.

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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:22:20 PM   
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I don't give a shit what you think -- communicate with someone who does.





If you are not brave enough to genuinely confront the issue, just say so. You're welcome to couch your position on bizarre tautologies like "Same-sex marriage is illegal because it is illegal," but at least admit you have no fortitude to confront the real issue.

Personally, I find your behavior both intellectually dishonest and devoid of character. You come into this thread making no argument, espousing no point of view, and yet feel the right to tell everyone else that they are idiots.

How about, instead of this forum masturbation you are engaged in, you actually contribute to the concepts being discussed in this thread.

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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:22:35 PM   
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And here I thought you were worth the time to communicate with.  You're not. 

The "ignorance" is yours.  One issue is ILLEGAL... the other is not.  You'd know that, but for you lack of common sense.






Yeah remember when they made interracial marriage legal?




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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:28:08 PM   
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I don't think MSLA realizes that we elect politicians to shape public policy, whether that's maintaining the current law or enacting a new one. It's your right to support Bachmann's view that gay marriage should remain illegal. But to just keep repeating "it's illegal" as if that illegality were a permanent thing unaffected by who is put in Washington quite frankly confuses me.

Where exactly do you think laws come from?

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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:29:36 PM   
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Where exactly do you think laws come from?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ

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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:30:50 PM   
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I like you :)

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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:31:04 PM   
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I don't give a shit what you think -- communicate with someone who does.



Is that why you take you time to respond to peoples post?

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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:32:18 PM   
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And here I thought you were worth the time to communicate with.  You're not. 

The "ignorance" is yours.  One issue is ILLEGAL... the other is not.  You'd know that, but for you lack of common sense.






I tried hinting at it, but I'll go ahead and spell it out.

The issue here isn't the fact that Bachmann feels same-sex marriage is illegal. That much isn't in dispute. I'll go ahead and concede to you that it is illegal.

Instead, the issue here is that Bachmann feels that same-sex marriage should be illegal.


I got your point. And the fact that you stated in the third post that you had changed some words. The allegation of lying is just false. It simply proves others did not read beyond the first post.

As I was reading it, my first reaction was

"What the hell is this? No way she would be this stupid" Which is why I originally asked you where it came from. Then I googled on my own. And I realized I had read it before.

And, yes, your rendition was an apt application of the same meaning, same design, same intention as the other.

Not too long ago, interracial marriages were illegal. Called Anti-miscegenation laws, many were not repealed until the Supreme Court ruling in Loving vs Virgnia

In 1967, 84 years after Pace v. Alabama in 1883, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously in Loving v. Virginia that:
"Marriage is one of the 'basic civil rights of man,' fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discriminations. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not to marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State."


Very few states had no such laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_miscegenation.svg

What others may find a bit interesting...

In 1967, 17 Southern states (all the former slave states plus Oklahoma) still enforced laws prohibiting marriage between whites and people of color. Maryland repealed its law in response to the start of the proceedings at the Supreme Court. After the ruling of the Supreme Court, the remaining laws were no longer in effect. Nonetheless, it took South Carolina until 1998 and Alabama until 2000 to officially amend their states' constitutions to remove language prohibiting miscegenation. In the respective referendums, 62% of voters in South Carolina and 59% of voters in Alabama voted to remove these laws.

To me, your point was that just because something isnt legal doesnt make it ok to not be legal. It wasnt legal for a white person to marry a black person... or a hispanic to marry white... or

As one Judge said in the Loving case...

In 1965, Virginia trial court Judge Leon Bazile, who heard their original case, refused to reconsider his decision. Instead, he defended racial segregation, writing:

"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."[25]


Arent we still hearing that echo today?

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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:38:35 PM   
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To me, your point was that just because something isnt legal doesnt make it ok to not be legal.


To hone it just a bit: When one argues that same-sex marriage should be illegal, they are also implicitly arguing that interracial marriage should be illegal. The logic of the argument extends neatly to both situations, and it is impossible to distinguish the two without taking views on homosexuality that aren't in line with mainstream scientific thought. And yet, you would be hard pressed to find anything but a slim minority that believes interracial marriage should be illegal.

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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:40:03 PM   
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Umm.. actually many would... they just wont voice it.

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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:43:19 PM   
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RE: Michelle Bachmann Condemns Interracial Marriage - 12/1/2011 10:45:00 PM   
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I find your behavior as that of a twit that isn't interested in a conversation -- so talk to another.  I afforded you civility and coutesy, and then you acted an ASS.  So again, communicate with someone else.



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