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RE: tribute - 12/10/2011 10:25:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I am appalled at the number of red letters that are scammers. I thought the men were being hyperbolic until I changed my settings and saw for myself. It makes it that much harder for the rest of us. And possibly explains why buying a gal coffee and a scone has been conflated with financial domination.


Ah! *Now* I'm glad I looked at this thread. :-)

I wouldn't buy a gal a coffee and a scone either. This, however, is because I don't mix with 'gals'. I mix with women. So ner.




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RE: tribute - 12/10/2011 10:28:31 AM   
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What about a whore? whores like scones too, you know. Or is it biscotti?

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RE: tribute - 12/10/2011 10:38:28 AM   
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Scones are delicious. That is all.

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RE: tribute - 12/10/2011 10:41:28 AM   
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But not the ones with raisins in. Raisins are like hamster poop.

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RE: tribute - 12/10/2011 10:43:52 AM   
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Darling, I AM keeping track. But you knew that. :)

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RE: tribute - 12/10/2011 10:45:03 AM   
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Proper scones are fine indeed. We got some ghastly ones the other day, though. Hope lots of jam can save them.

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RE: tribute - 12/10/2011 10:48:13 AM   
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I think raisins get judged unfairly.
I fed some to a bunny when I was little, and started to cry because the bunny wouldn't eat them. Then my mom was all "those aren't raisins in the bunny cage".
You know what? Fuck raisins.

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RE: tribute - 12/10/2011 10:51:36 AM   
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Cranberry scones are better than plain ones.

As far as biscotti, depends on what flavor.


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RE: tribute - 12/10/2011 11:09:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

1. There are no board rules against requesting tribute.  None. Never were.  Aren't any now.



Maybe it depends on interpretation, but here is a section from the CollarMe TOS:

7.3.12. You will not use Your profile or any other portion of the Website or Our services to promote any other business enterprise, unless otherwise permitted by collarchat.com, nor will you attempt to use any of Our services to promote an escort service, prostitution, web-cams, or any other form of related enterprise;

It seems to me that asking for, requesting, or demanding a "tribute" would (should?) be considered to be promoting a money-making enterprise, and therefore IS a rule against requesting tribute.

Of course there is also the clause that says "unless otherwise permitted by collarchat.com".  I didn't see anything in the TOS that expressly allowed the fin-dommes to ask for tribute, but it could, I suppose, be argued that since nothing is being done by collarchat to eliminate the fin-dommes that it is something they are permitting even though it seems to be something they don't allow a few lines later.


igor, thanks for actually coming up with something concrete.  I apologize for having simply gone off memory.  Addressing your quote:

1. You will not use Your profile or any other portion of the Website or Our services to promote any other business enterprise, unless otherwise permitted by collarchat.com

Toothless.  The fact that there is a Professional Services forum constitutes permission by collarchat.

2. nor will you attempt to use any of Our services to promote an escort service, prostitution, web-cams, or any other form of related enterprise;

Prostitution's illegal.  Escort services are barely legal or barely illegal, on the edge.  Webcams are entirely legal.  So the "related enterprise" could be broadly interpreted to imply all for-sale activities, illegal or not.

The conclusion is that it's murky.


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RE: tribute - 12/10/2011 11:13:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Fornica

I think raisins get judged unfairly.
I fed some to a bunny when I was little, and started to cry because the bunny wouldn't eat them. Then my mom was all "those aren't raisins in the bunny cage".




Now that is NOT true.

*hands round the homemade chocolate raisins*

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RE: tribute - 12/10/2011 11:22:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: igor2003

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

1. There are no board rules against requesting tribute.  None. Never were.  Aren't any now.



Maybe it depends on interpretation, but here is a section from the CollarMe TOS:

7.3.12. You will not use Your profile or any other portion of the Website or Our services to promote any other business enterprise, unless otherwise permitted by collarchat.com, nor will you attempt to use any of Our services to promote an escort service, prostitution, web-cams, or any other form of related enterprise;

It seems to me that asking for, requesting, or demanding a "tribute" would (should?) be considered to be promoting a money-making enterprise, and therefore IS a rule against requesting tribute.

Of course there is also the clause that says "unless otherwise permitted by collarchat.com".  I didn't see anything in the TOS that expressly allowed the fin-dommes to ask for tribute, but it could, I suppose, be argued that since nothing is being done by collarchat to eliminate the fin-dommes that it is something they are permitting even though it seems to be something they don't allow a few lines later.


Gifts are now considered a money making enterprise? Do tributes have to be money?

Also, to point your attention lower...

quote:

7.3.13. You agree that You will not use Our services in order to view, transmit, traffic in, or in any other way interact with, provide to any other person, or receive obscene materials in any way;


What is considered "obscene"?

quote:

7.3.15. You will not impersonate any person or entity, and will accurately represent Your gender in Your profile communications;


Seen the gender broken a lot.

And can we say "sock puppet" anyone?

As to your specific complaint... thats what "report user" button is for. At which point, its now in the hands of the moderators of that side of the site. Their decison is final.

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RE: tribute - 12/10/2011 11:24:27 AM   
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The tribute thing seems to be rather gray as you pointed out DS. This still doesn't remove the uneven ratios of Dommes to subs which bring the whole tribute thing about, and it obviously isn't going to remove the scammers from the site. After all as I pointed out very early on...it's the men on here who keep them in business.

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RE: tribute - 12/10/2011 11:57:29 AM   
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The word tribute is a funny one.

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RE: tribute - 12/10/2011 12:11:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: igor2003
Maybe it depends on interpretation, but here is a section from the CollarMe TOS:

7.3.12. You will not use Your profile or any other portion of the Website or Our services to promote any other business enterprise, unless otherwise permitted by collarchat.com, nor will you attempt to use any of Our services to promote an escort service, prostitution, web-cams, or any other form of related enterprise;

It seems to me that asking for, requesting, or demanding a "tribute" would (should?) be considered to be promoting a money-making enterprise, and therefore IS a rule against requesting tribute.

Of course there is also the clause that says "unless otherwise permitted by collarchat.com".  I didn't see anything in the TOS that expressly allowed the fin-dommes to ask for tribute, but it could, I suppose, be argued that since nothing is being done by collarchat to eliminate the fin-dommes that it is something they are permitting even though it seems to be something they don't allow a few lines later.

Which, they obviously do.  The Professional Services section allows for this.  Come to think of it, the Artisans section does, too.  Sought for Sale has a number of folks who will make money by selling various things to folks.  A number of listings in Upcoming Events charge at the door, so they are obviously money making enterprises.

The other part of this is, who is to determine the difference between a business and a dynamic?  Financial domination is obviously a kink that some people participate in.  Who is to say that this particular kink excludes people from using the definition of a dynamic?



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RE: tribute - 12/10/2011 3:38:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

...<unrelated stuff snipped>...

I was just over on the other side and I usually ignore the profiles that ask for tribute, but I responded to one that made no mention of tribute and lived near me.

She claimed in her profile to be a wealthy international businesswoman.

But when she responded..........can you guess?  I would have to send her tribute to proceed.


Now you know why she calls herself a wealthy international businesswoman.. N'est-ce pas??  o.O

Personally, I never completely understood why anyone would demand a tribute to Dom(me), or pay one to submit, anyhow.

But then again, I smoke cigarettes--I pay companies to give me lung cancer some day. ::shrug::


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RE: tribute - 12/10/2011 4:18:14 PM   
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Remember back when I pointed out the first ten dommes were asking for tribute? Search through the first ten male doms seeking women. They ALL ask for relationships or sex! NONE OF THEM ask for tribute!!! GEE WONDER why THAT could be? I'm just pointing out that the female dommes seem to be able operate according to their own rules while the rest of us seem willing to follow board rules. IF asking for tribute isn't allowed than it should be enforced equally but that doesn't seem to be the case does it?
I don't like "stirring shit", all I'm doing is pointing out the uneveness of the board. If one group is going to be allowed to go rogue then maybe this should be turned into a female domination board because that seems to be who has the power here same as everywhere else.
As long as that point has been made I'm happy.

Duke


Duke, you're missing the point. Here it is:

1. Yes, there are scammers on CM.
2. The scammers are almost all directed at men, because men receive fewer responses and are more likely to fall for the scam. Women receive a lot more responses, so they aren't usually desperate enough to be scammed, so the scammers don't bother with them.
3. CM warns people to beware of scammers, but CM doesn't police the scammers.
4. If you fall for a scam in spite of the warnings, that's your problem.
5. And, yes, I know you won't understand what I'm saying.

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RE: tribute - 12/11/2011 3:57:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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You have been here for over 3 years and you have just noticed that there are pro dommes on this site? Damn and people say I don't pay attention

It's ok though. You don't have to get all worked up about it. If you don't want to pay, then find someone who will play with you for free. It's not that hard.



This isn't about pro dommes, it is about scammers.

Jump over to the red profiles and you will easily see what I mean.



I have my search set to f dom so I don't have to jump anywhere to see them. I see them every time I log on. I even occasionally look at the profile, if I feel I need a good laugh. Then I sometimes wonder if anyone could really be stupid enough to send them money. Then I come here and forget all about it. If I paid to be here, I might feel different, but it's free. and if I don't like it, I can always go somewhere else.


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RE: tribute - 12/11/2011 8:25:22 AM   
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Selling equipment,masks, etc is different from asking for tribute, that rule is supposed to protect members from being taken advantage of and it seems to be a privilage reserved ONLY for dommes, but, as has been said, if a sub/slave makes a decision to do that, then that should be left to be THEIR problem. If the board is going to allow dommes to do what they want in violation of it's own rules who am I am to bitch? This board is the same as everywhere else: women are allowed to get away with what they want. oyyyyyyyy VEY.

Say what you want about muslims they don't suffer this double standard bullshit :)

oy vey....

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RE: tribute - 12/11/2011 8:54:13 AM   
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....the fuck?

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RE: tribute - 12/11/2011 9:38:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Uncleduke316



Selling equipment,masks, etc is different from asking for tribute, that rule is supposed to protect members from being taken advantage of and it seems to be a privilage reserved ONLY for dommes, but, as has been said, if a sub/slave makes a decision to do that, then that should be left to be THEIR problem. If the board is going to allow dommes to do what they want in violation of it's own rules who am I am to bitch? This board is the same as everywhere else: women are allowed to get away with what they want. oyyyyyyyy VEY.

Say what you want about muslims they don't suffer this double standard bullshit :)

oy vey....


I have to say, I absolutely love the way you keep proving over and over that you cannot take in the simplest of information and process it. You must have a rocky road in life where people do you wrong everywhere, I know people like that, and they are truly happy being miserable. They get all different kinds of information on a subject, but can only process it so that it comes out one way all the time. It's exhausting being around those types of people.

Some woman in your past must have done you some serious wrong. While it is your prerogative to hold your opinions, I hope to hell that you stay alone and without any future woman to bear the weight of the baggage that you bring to the table of baseless accusations and blinders the size of a continent. She'll never be able to do anything right with the way you look at the world. Women do not get away with 'whatever they want,' but since  you see it that way, it is your fate to keep having it proved to you again and again even in the face of other facts. Enjoy. I wish you happiness in your angst. I also genuinely hope no one ever gets caught up with your seriously disturbed view on things.

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