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RE: Are Antibiotics Making Us Fat? - 12/21/2011 4:02:04 PM   
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RE: Are Antibiotics Making Us Fat? - 12/21/2011 8:52:27 PM   
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I don't know what you think you do for a living or how you are "invovled" in gastric bypass, but you obviously aren't the person learning anything about the procedure.

Gastric bypass surgery does indeed change how a body processes food.  It is currently being looked at as a viable treatment for diabetics.  And befor you go on another "eat less, exercise more fat people" tangent, patients who have gastric bypass have almost and IMMEDIATE reduction in blood glucose levels.  This is PRIOR to any weight loss.  Because the surgery essentially redirects how food is digested, it prevents the absorbtion of calories AND has been shown to cause in increase in insulin production.

Genetics also have a great deal to do with a person's body shape.  That isn't even new to science, although you seem to be ignorant of that fact.

So whatever doctor you work for, I'm glad I would never visit that doctor or hospital.  Next time try actually reading up on the truths of something before you go off on your little tangent.
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First lets define metabolism in simplistic terms: sum of catabolic and anabolic processes. Catabolism is the breakdown of tissue, anabolism is the creation/repair of tissue

Gastric bypass does not alter the way food is processed, it does alter how food is absorbed. The food still goes in the mouth, down the esophagus, into the stomach and through the intestines before being expelled. That process is unchanged regardless of having a lap band, bypass, etc. In a bypass, the size of the stomach itself is greatly reduce. Secondly, the stomach is reattached to the distal third of the jejunum. This greatly limits the absorption of calories/nutrients as they are absorbed mainly in the first half of the small intestines. So now in pace are 2 distinct mechanisms that limit the amount of nutrients entering the body (the digestion process has not changed!): the physical limitation created by the reduced size of the stomach, and secondly the reduced surface area for absorption of calories. People who undergo gastric bypass do indeed have reduced blood glucose levels--if there isnt excess carbohydrates being absorbed, excess insulin will not be needed!!

The role of genetics has never been dismissed. But most people will attribute their genetics for their condition rather than their habits/choices/decisions

Try reading up the truths before going off on a tangent? I never resort to the National Enquirer, Yahoo News, Google searches, Wikipedia or popular media. My sources are peer reviewed journals, conferences and medical texts of which I have perused 100,000+ pages; not to mention the the 25,000+ hours of training.....and no, I dont work for doctors, we work together.

If you have any reliable data you would like to share, from credible sources, please feel free to do so. I'd love to respond!

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RE: Are Antibiotics Making Us Fat? - 12/21/2011 9:07:24 PM   
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Honestly,

Any research you do regarding diabetes and gastric bypass is going to give you the information.  I've reached a point where the bullshit of people "demanding" to have others provide them links is a waste of time.

And whether you work "for" or "with" doctors makes no difference.  If you have the attitude towards lap band and gastric bypass patients that you do here, you are in the wrong business.

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RE: Are Antibiotics Making Us Fat? - 12/22/2011 12:05:08 AM   
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"There was a controversy because a man in England faked a study, T. You know all this. Why are you playing this game?"

HUH ? That's not where I heard it from, and it wasn't a study - it was a physician with his own family. WTF are YOU talking about ? I never heard shit about that issue outside the US.

But I have no link so it never happened. I just make scads of fucking money making shit up. See how much y'all just paid me ?

I am not researching it again, you all fucking do it. And this antibiotic thing, just don't do drugs motherfuckers. Got it ? Just say NO !

This drug insanity amazes me. Get off the shit. Get sick, your body needs to learn.

And goddammit learn how to drive a stickshift, I am going to have to kill my neighbor over this.

OLD WAYS. Learn the old ways. Yes people died, so what ?

T^T

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RE: Are Antibiotics Making Us Fat? - 12/22/2011 12:08:03 AM   
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Because it's the only game he understands.


Yeah well there was no disclaimer.

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RE: Are Antibiotics Making Us Fat? - 12/22/2011 6:43:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"There was a controversy because a man in England faked a study, T. You know all this. Why are you playing this game?"

HUH ? That's not where I heard it from, and it wasn't a study - it was a physician with his own family. WTF are YOU talking about ? I never heard shit about that issue outside the US.

But I have no link so it never happened. I just make scads of fucking money making shit up. See how much y'all just paid me ?

I am not researching it again, you all fucking do it. And this antibiotic thing, just don't do drugs motherfuckers. Got it ? Just say NO !

This drug insanity amazes me. Get off the shit. Get sick, your body needs to learn.

And goddammit learn how to drive a stickshift, I am going to have to kill my neighbor over this.

OLD WAYS. Learn the old ways. Yes people died, so what ?

T^T


I know how to drive a stick shift.

Wakefield. Google it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_Scare#Background

As far as medications... I believe you need to get back on yours.

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HUH ? That's not where I heard it from, and it wasn't a study - it was a physician with his own family. WTF are YOU talking about ? I never heard shit about that issue outside the US.


http://www.collarchat.com/m_3522671/mpage_1/key_vaccine/tm.htm#3524865

That is wtf I am talking about. Perhaps you need a break, you cant seem to remember what you are posting about anymore.

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RE: Are Antibiotics Making Us Fat? - 1/6/2012 8:59:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Can contribute to weight gain, not the sole cause.


Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

People always try to chalk it up to one thing, in line with the 'easy fix' mentality.

Nobody in their right mind would dispute that a sedentary lifestyle is usually one of the most important factors (though, as a counterpoint, going from four hours a day of exercise to bedrest and back has had only marginal effects on weight in my case). Anyone going from no exercise to a bit of daily exercise will experience some gain of muscle and some loss of fat. Anyone going from lying on a couch to sitting in a chair, or from sitting in a chair to standing upright, or from that to walking around, will also experience the same. The amount of change will vary, but it's a factor, and usually a large one.

Yet there are also other factors.

For instance, swapping the intestinal flora of lab mice from one blend to another caused those mice to gain weight with no change in diet or exercise. Antibiotics, as we all know, are one of the things that will tend to change the intestinal flora substantially. Similarly, the preservatives in certain foods, and in both diet sode and regular soda, cause such changes as well. Whether this effect is significant enough to make a difference, is another matter. What does make a difference, is that spending an extended period of time living together with someone will cause the flora to harmonize between them. Again, though, it's not a 'quick fix'.

In my experience, stress and SSRIs will usually also change someone's weight, and those pounds are much harder to lose than ones gained from inactivity or overconsumption, for whatever reason. That's not to say those experiences, though spanning several people, are actually representative. It could just be an unfortunate selection. But it bears looking into, if one isn't being funded by the companies that make those drugs.

Overall, the best bet is still to maintain a healthy, nutritious diet and an active lifestyle.

It just isn't the only set of factors involved, and for some, the other factors can be substantial enough to make it seem hopeless to change anything about those two. For that matter, lethargy can be a consequence of gain beyond a certain point, as well as a side effect of some of the factors that can tip the scales, which makes it even more difficult for some to make those changes. Particularly maintaining the changes can be difficult if the scales never tip into a range where the results meet the popular ideals.

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