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Toppingfrmbottom -> Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/22/2011 10:55:03 PM)
A lady who also dog walks with me at the shelter,who's supposedly a nurse runs a weightloss program and she told me 1 tip for loosing weight is to eat only protines and veggies, and I did tell her I was diabetic and had to be careful, and she didn't indicate it wouldn't be ok and doing sowould help me loose weight. I prolly wouldn't go that drastic, and restrictive but I admit I am curious.

tazzygirl -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/22/2011 11:02:19 PM)
I was told to keep my carbs between 45 and 50 a meal. You can go low carb, but you need a certain amount. Your brain utilizes carbs, so you cant go to zero. Back in the low carb diet craze, 20 a day was the goal... and its not a healthy one. The best person to ask is your Doctor or nutritionist.

Termyn8or -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/22/2011 11:38:11 PM)
Only anything is bad, but consider this : A couple of chicken breasts, almost thawed, poked by steely knives and spiced with thyme, white pepper, celery salt, onion and garlic powder. Pampered with flour for a light breading and fried in bacon grease. (drained of course, you use it to fry, not eat it) With it; broccoli and corn with seasalt, butter and some pepper. The only carbs in this are in the little sprinkle of flour and the corn. OK, I had a ham sandwich and a burrito today as well, but up until that point I was doing very well. But the thing is that I am always thinking about it. The way I see it : carbs are stuffing, stuffing is for dead turkeys, I am not a dead turkey. Some things need a little processing to convert them into forms we need. Otherwise we could just eat rocks. That processing is what we need to consider when thinking about this shit. We are from the Earth. What we eat is just a way to convert the Earth into what we need. Now my chicken and veggies was pretty damn low carbs, but there was some. I think it would be damn near impossible to have a diet with absolutlely no carbs and have it be nutritious. But it's a matter of degree. Any extreme is bad. T^T

tazzygirl -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/22/2011 11:50:17 PM)
½ cup raw corn kernals: 18 grams effective (net) carbohydrate plus 3 grams fiber and 89 calories Corn is actually as high in carbs as a slice of bread. While many believe its a vegetable, its actually should be considered part of grains.

Rule -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/23/2011 12:05:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom A lady who also dog walks with me at the shelter,who's supposedly a nurse runs a weightloss program and she told me 1 tip for loosing weight is to eat only protines and veggies, and I did tell her I was diabetic and had to be careful, and she didn't indicate it wouldn't be ok and doing so would help me loose weight. I prolly wouldn't go that drastic, and restrictive but I admit I am curious. Walk the dogs a bit longer. I am not going to advise you on diet, as I do not know what your biochemistry and disease history is. If you are about to loose weight, do it slowly by way of a life style.

DarkSteven -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/23/2011 4:04:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom A lady who also dog walks with me at the shelter,who's supposedly a nurse runs a weightloss program and she told me 1 tip for loosing weight is to eat only protines and veggies, and I did tell her I was diabetic and had to be careful, and she didn't indicate it wouldn't be ok and doing sowould help me loose weight. I prolly wouldn't go that drastic, and restrictive but I admit I am curious. Okay. She recommended the South Beach diet. As a diabetic, you should be eating a less extreme version of the same thing. Being a diabetic is all about reducing carbs, not eliminating them altogether. Generally, veggies are good for you. Period. The major exceptions are potatoes, yams, and sweet potatoes, although corn and beans and carrots have some carbs in them too.

Moonhead -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/23/2011 5:25:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven As a diabetic, you should be eating a less extreme version of the same thing. Being a diabetic is all about reducing carbs, not eliminating them altogether. Generally, veggies are good for you. Period. The major exceptions are potatoes, yams, and sweet potatoes, although corn and beans and carrots have some carbs in them too. This. TFB, cutting carbs out completely won't help, but reducing the amount you eat will. (As everybody else has said already.) What you do need to cut out totally is sugar. Complex carbs are absorbed by your system more slowly and don't put your blood sugars up as badly as a result.

barelynangel -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/23/2011 7:28:10 AM)
I only read the OP but here's some education: 1. Protein is good for you - but it shouldn't also be over indulged to compensate for bad carbs, also, be aware if you are utilizing meat proteins and over indulge this could mess with your dietary tract if you don't eat enough fiber to keep things moving. 2. Fat is good for you as long as it is GOOD fat - your meal should always contain some good fat. 3. Veggies are carbs (Many people don't realize this) - the carbs you need to be concerned with are starchy veggies such as carrots, corn and potatoes, in moderation, and pasta if you have it, in moderation and use the mutligrain before regular pasta, and of course breads need to be kept low in use. Most protein has natural fat in it so if she told you to eat only proteins and veggies, she pretty much has told you to eat protein, fat and veggies. This is actually true. Also, here is a tip -- ALWAYS eat a form of protein with a carb. Also, remember anything that is labeled low fat more than likely has exchanged the fat for sugar. learn to read labels. After reading a couple replies: I follow Atkins seriously when i am focused on losing weight, then sorta do a version of maintenance when i am not. Most people don't get what Atkins does but i don't believe it would be helpful to TFTB. I would recommend the SB diet to you, TFTB, but it would mean you seriously read the book and follow the plan and learn to understand it. If you are willing to do that, then get the book and start working your way through it. There are also sites that support these types of plans and discussion boards. But in all honestly, i don't recommend you go there. angel

OsideGirl -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/23/2011 7:29:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Being a diabetic is all about reducing carbs, not eliminating them altogether. South Beach is a reduced carb, reduced fat diet. It actually works really well for diabetics.

barelynangel -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/23/2011 7:42:05 AM)
Speaking of which i think this thread is a sign for me to actually following through today on getting to the gym and planning my menu and getting a jump on my 7 weeks of complete focus. angel

littlewonder -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/23/2011 7:54:36 AM)
I think you really should be speaking to your doctor about this in case there is some kind of special diet you should be on prescribed by him/her.

barelynangel -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/23/2011 8:02:11 AM)
It's my understanding that she said she has tried that and they keep trying to get her into a nutritionist but her insurance won't pay for it. She's been told on here there are classes and seminars that are usually free at local hospitals and such that help diabetics understand the disease and what they should be eating, but she indicated that wouldn't be what she wants. angel

LaTigresse -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/23/2011 8:02:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom A lady who also dog walks with me at the shelter,who's supposedly a nurse runs a weightloss program and she told me 1 tip for loosing weight is to eat only protines and veggies, and I did tell her I was diabetic and had to be careful, and she didn't indicate it wouldn't be ok and doing sowould help me loose weight. I prolly wouldn't go that drastic, and restrictive but I admit I am curious. My pressman was diagnosed diabetic several months ago. He was told to get more exercise (he was already putting in 2,000 miles a year on his bike), lose weight (he was not obese) and eat properly. I am very proud of him. He's lost weight and walks an hour every single morning. He went to classes on eating properly as a diabetic. He monitors his blood sugar closely. TFB, diabetes is NOT something to toy with. If you do not start doing what my pressman has done, you will pay a very very steep price. I sincerely suggest you learn what the possible repercussions of your disease is. Losing body parts, blindness, etc. You are at a point where you seriously need to get your health and weight under control or you will live a miserable life and die far too early in life.

barelynangel -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/23/2011 8:06:59 AM)
quote: He was told to get more exercise My dad swears by exercise for diabetics, he said that if he exercises like he should, his diabetes pretty much controls itself if he uses common sense when exercising. I was diagnosed in October of 2010 and my doc is considering taking me off all my meds after my full physical in February, as my weight loss has considerably helped and believe me lol my eating and exercise tends to not be consistant, but my weight loss is what is doing it. angel

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/23/2011 9:32:21 AM)
Thank you every one. Angel, yeah I am still trying to get in the swing of liking to cook and doing so regularly, something super complicated or follow by the book and do this week one, and this week two and only some of this week 3, wouldn't work for me. Angel my dr's referals have been rejected because the program is treating them as a weight loss referal, not a learn your shit and get going referal. I did ask my new dr now that she is classifying me as fully diabetic, to refer me again and she refered me to diabetes basics care class, which isn't what I want or need. I want to sit down with a nutritionist, one on one, talk to her about my dietary likes, my life style, my food tastes, and have her help me come up with a meal plan, that's suited for me, my tastes, and my particular needs. Where as those premade look it up online meal plans, are not tailored, and as I've been told a bunch of times, things need to be tailored to you, cause what's fine in this meal plan for you, may spike the shit out of me, or not bother me, but bother you. Like seriously this one meal plan from a diabetic meal planning website called for a 1/2 a banna, and 1 cup of oatmeal and a couple other items, one of those items* the banna* I was told by the diabetic care lady , was not great for diabetics to have because it has so much natural sugar. and to only have in moderation, and even steal rolled oats, have 37 carbs and that's from what I understand half the meals carb choices, and I'd rather have something lower carb that left room for something tastier than funky bland ass oatmeal. Which is what rolled oats are, unless you sugar them up and shit. which then defeats the whole purpose of oats being healthy. quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel I only read the OP but here's some education: 1 I would recommend the SB diet to you, TFTB, but it would mean you seriously read the book and follow the plan and learn to understand it. If you are willing to do that, then get the book and start working your way through it. There are also sites that support these types of plans and discussion boards. But in all honestly, i don't recommend you go there. angel

LafayetteLady -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/23/2011 9:57:37 AM)
The diabetes basics class is exactly what you need. I went when I was diagnosed and part of it included meeting with a dietician to discuss what types of meals worked for me. They went over everything diabetics need to know. Sometimes, you have to go through steps to get to what you want, but all of them are what you need. You may need to start at the basics class and then if that isn't enough, your doctor has a better chance of getting your insurance to approve other things. Stop trying to dictate what your doctor recommends. There is not a single person here who would not benefit from those classes.

barelynangel -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/23/2011 9:59:41 AM)
TFTB, i am also diabetic and the following is my menu for tomorrow: 3 egg Omlet with 1/2 roma tomato, spinach, and feta cheese for breakfast. I use water instead of milk, and add some spices. Sometimes i have dinners for breakfast, one of my favorite treats is 3 eggs, mixed with water, add a packet of splenda and microwave, then when its 1/2 way done, add a dolp of cream cheese in the middle. - it's called a mock danish. For snacks, i am making some of my chicken muffins which pretty much is shredded chicken, cheese, garlic and eggs - with a dab of sourcream, sometimes i will take some salad, add chopped up hamburger patty and all the toppings i would have on a hamburger - i.e., tomatoes, black olives, pickles, bacon and cheese and for a dressing mustard and mayo or i will take a small amount of bbq sauce or A1 sauce and mix it up with mayo and use that as a dressing to barely coat -- NOT drown the salad. Lunch - will be some kind of no crust quiche made with eggs and meat and veggies Dinner i think i will have some roasted asparagus and beans, parmasan crusted chicken. Maybe what you should do is GO to some of these classes at and at least start learning about what to eat and the disease. How do you know what you want or need if you don't know what these classes entail? You don't know much about this disease and you are asking many people for advise not just here but it sounds like offline, so why not go to a class that is specifically regarding diabetes and gain some knowledge for yourself? You have to learn about this disease or you will never understand it and why you should eat A, B, and C, instead of D, E, F. Then start using that information to utilize in picking your food choices. You can do it, you just have to make the decision to do it and change your mind in that you aren't going to maintain the choices you have been making. Yes, we all know about the obstacles you face, however, until YOU make the decision that what you want to do can be done and then utilize your gained knowledge of your disease, you won't do it. Pretty much everything you have that is high sugar and high carbs can be made low carb with very little effort. You just need to use your imagination. I know many people may get tired of eating them but eggs are a low carber's friend lol. When in doubt as to what you can or want to eat, whip up an omlet with veggies and a meat of your choice and some cheese, or an egg scramble. Add an additional side of veggies, and whalla always a meal around. Eggs are also cheap. http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/recipes.html - this is one of my favorite low carb sites for recipes. Since you don't like to cook, you may find beneficial the different casseroles and quiches she has, that will carry you over to other meals and can be frozen. angel

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/23/2011 10:37:36 AM)
I already went, 3xs, I know what diabetes is, I know what causes it, I know you need to manage it and you do that through food choices and exercise, and if needed insulin or medicine taken orally, I already know all that shit, taking another exact same class isn't going to make me know it any better, I already know it. This isn't my first D related class rodeo, I've already had 3 classes, and I already know what they're going to say. Ours did not include sitting down with a dietitian and getting meal plans, the whole class was about 15 students, and it was just her talking at you, telling you what a simple carb is and a complex carb, and how diabetes affects us, and what it is, is basically the inability for the sugar to get into the cell so it floats freely in the body, yada yada yada. time for some questions from the class, and then they handed you this little booklet and said use this if you are eating something that doesn't have nutritional information on the packet, like apples, or oranges, or water mellons, etc etc. The little booklet was a tiny bit helpful, but not much , if we had any more questions we could call the dietitian hotline, and that's as far as one on one talking it went to. You have to remember, every one's programs are different, just because your program met you with a 1 on 1 consult, does not mean every one elses programs do too. Kaiser's programs are classes just that, a class, where a bunch of people who either paid to take the class, or are members, come and get talked at for a while, and then can ask a few questions, and then are sent on their way. Not 1 on 1 consultations, not individualized for you, not in any way tailored, and not in anyway anything I found helpful outside the basic this is what this is, this is what you do thing. That is all Kaiser does, to my apparent knowledge, because I've been trying to get more than a class where you're just talked at for many years. I've actually been pre diabetic for about 3 maybe 4 years now, and just recently fully enough to go on meds and show proteins in the urine. If I want 1 on 1 consults and stuff I was told by member services I'd have to pay for it out of my own pocket, and it's about 60 dollars a consult, and I can't afford that. quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady The diabetes basics class is exactly what you need. I went when I was diagnosed and part of it included meeting with a dietician to discuss what types of meals worked for me. They went over everything diabetics need to know. Sometimes, you have to go through steps to get to what you want, but all of them are what you need. You may need to start at the basics class and then if that isn't enough, your doctor has a better chance of getting your insurance to approve other things. Stop trying to dictate what your doctor recommends. There is not a single person here who would not benefit from those classes.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/23/2011 11:13:24 AM)
Oh I love eggs. I've never learned how to make an omelet, but I did find a recipe with like 10 different ways to have eggs., there was scrambled eggs with salsa and a little bit of tortilla, there was a spinach and egg omelet with a few other things in it I forget, and a caseral and a quiche. quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel I know many people may get tired of eating them but eggs are a low carber's friend lol. When in doubt as to what you can or want to eat, whip up an omlet with veggies and a meat of your choice and some cheese, or an egg scramble. Add an additional side of veggies, and whalla always a meal around. Eggs are also cheap. http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/recipes.html - this is one of my favorite low carb sites for recipes. Since you don't like to cook, you may find beneficial the different casseroles and quiches she has, that will carry you over to other meals and can be frozen. angel

tazzygirl -> RE: Are eating only protiens and veggies safe for diabetics? (12/23/2011 12:00:15 PM)
quote: I know many people may get tired of eating them but eggs are a low carber's friend lol. When in doubt as to what you can or want to eat, whip up an omlet with veggies and a meat of your choice and some cheese, or an egg scramble. Add an additional side of veggies, and whalla always a meal around. Eggs are also cheap. The only thing to worry about with eggs is the cholesterol level. But eggs substitutions mixed in with a real egg makes a wonderful compromise.

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