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farglebargle -> Republican Election Fraud! (12/28/2011 5:05:34 PM)

So, now Newt is complaining that he failed to get on the ballot because he got caught attempting to commit massive election fraud with 1500 fake signatures...





DarkSteven -> RE: Republican Election Fraud! (12/28/2011 5:42:32 PM)

Sorta.  Despite the fact that he's the most ethically-challenged candidate, it seems like this isn't due to him deliberately committing fraud as much as his utter incompetence in creating a situation where it was very likely.  He waited till the last minute to get signatures, hired a bunch of low level workers (I've heard rumors he paid by the signature but have not been able to confirm that) last minute and told them to work fast, and didn't check the signatures before submitting them.  Newt is not known for being competent at actually accomplishing things, and his own incompetence bit him.

Oddly enough, the Virginia state laws state that if 15,000 signatures are collected, there will be no checking them for fraud.  So if he had only gotten 3500 more signatures, he'd be on the ballot.




Owner59 -> RE: Republican Election Fraud! (12/28/2011 6:14:54 PM)

This should have been done months ago.

Could`a done it while he was cruising Greece on his Greek debt fact-finding mission.[8|][:D]




SilverBoat -> RE: Republican Election Fraud! (12/28/2011 6:15:49 PM)

Newt didn't seem that far below Cain in the personal and financial ethics/hypocrisy rankings, but apparently has somewhat more momentum.




InvisibleBlack -> RE: Republican Election Fraud! (12/28/2011 8:18:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Sorta.  Despite the fact that he's the most ethically-challenged candidate, it seems like this isn't due to him deliberately committing fraud as much as his utter incompetence in creating a situation where it was very likely.  He waited till the last minute to get signatures, hired a bunch of low level workers (I've heard rumors he paid by the signature but have not been able to confirm that) last minute and told them to work fast, and didn't check the signatures before submitting them.  Newt is not known for being competent at actually accomplishing things, and his own incompetence bit him.

Oddly enough, the Virginia state laws state that if 15,000 signatures are collected, there will be no checking them for fraud.  So if he had only gotten 3500 more signatures, he'd be on the ballot.



Yeah, I'd put this down more to incompetence than outright fraud. Based on my experiences getting signatures for local candidates, a certain number of signatures are going to be invalidated under any circumstances (they signed more than one candidate's ballot, they spelled their name wrong, etc. etc.) so you always want to get more than necessary and to get them early.

Trying to do it last minute in a rush on the cheap is pretty much begging for the majority of your signatures to get thrown out.

Oddly enough - running a nationwide election campaign isn't a bad indicator of possessing presidential skills. You need to pick the right team, get them to work together, organize a massive diverse effort across the entire country and do it in such a way that things get done in a timely and efficient manner in ways and in places which you cannot directly oversee.

If you can't handle this - how are you going to handle the Oval Office?




popeye1250 -> RE: Republican Election Fraud! (12/28/2011 9:01:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

So, now Newt is complaining that he failed to get on the ballot because he got caught attempting to commit massive election fraud with 1500 fake signatures...





Oh jeese, Fargle, Oblunder would sneeze at that!




Hillwilliam -> RE: Republican Election Fraud! (12/28/2011 9:11:48 PM)

Newt is whining because he hired incompetent, unmotivativated people.

Tough shit.




tweakabelle -> RE: Republican Election Fraud! (12/29/2011 2:01:57 AM)

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Oddly enough - running a nationwide election campaign isn't a bad indicator of possessing presidential skills. You need to pick the right team, get them to work together, organize a massive diverse effort across the entire country and do it in such a way that things get done in a timely and efficient manner in ways and in places which you cannot directly oversee.

If you can't handle this - how are you going to handle the Oval Office?

Exactly!

This may sound a little obvious - but it's so true. It's worth noting that the incumbent managed his entire campaign without a major flaw. It's a basic requirement. If you can't boil an egg, who is going to trust you to cook a soufflé?

So, as InvisibleBlack stresses, if a candidate can't get the basic things right, what hope do they have under the pressure of the Oval Office? To put that the other way around:

If they screw up the easy bits, just imagine the mess they'll make of the big things.




MrRodgers -> RE: Republican Election Fraud! (12/29/2011 3:54:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

So, now Newt is complaining that he failed to get on the ballot because he got caught attempting to commit massive election fraud with 1500 fake signatures...



Oh jeese, Fargle, Oblunder would sneeze at that!

Yea, he didn't have any...anywhere. Plus, they just don't get it do they ?

The repub talking heads have tried to inform the candidates and most have picked up on it, mostly Newt...'they' the right doesn't have to be slave to their ideology or their political values, i.e.,...they can all be hypocrites. Of all the right...Newt knows this.

Acorn is gone from outlandish lies and propaganda about just this kinda thing...you think the right will pay a price ? No, for them it is SOP.




Owner59 -> RE: Republican Election Fraud! (12/29/2011 7:05:02 AM)

With the standard for commiting voter fraud that republicans are using...........he`s already guilty and should just quit and go back to Kenya.




Moonhead -> RE: Republican Election Fraud! (12/29/2011 7:12:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SilverBoat

Newt didn't seem that far below Cain in the personal and financial ethics/hypocrisy rankings, but apparently has somewhat more momentum.

More momentum or less melanin? Though it could be both, of course...




ConfidencePlays -> RE: Republican Election Fraud! (1/2/2012 8:33:27 PM)

Oh, I thought we were still talking about Bush getting re-elected. Never mind, nothing to contribute, I suppose.




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