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angelikaJ -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/2/2012 2:11:43 AM)
Stella has some good advice. You may be eligible for some types of services such as food stamps. I would go to your local office tomorrow if you can and find out what types of assistance you might be eligible. You might also want to talk to whatever group deals with homelessness in your area. They might have some types of funding to prevent eviction. I hesitate to mention this because I personally know nothing about it but while you need professional help you seem to be most reluctant (btw: there are programs through the various drug companies by which you can get medications at little or no cost)...I am wondering if Sex Addicts Anonymous might be helpful at least as a temporary measure. It doesn't cost anything to attend. You do have a certain amount of unmanageability associated with your issues.

lildude81va -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/2/2012 2:31:44 AM)
Well, at the end of the day all my issues seem to be intertwined and the idea would be removing one of them from the equation. Guess you're right as far as homelessness is concerned, may as well be already. Not sure what exactly I'll do, most likely I'll get a motel room for as long as I can afford and after that I'll be sleeping in my car or begging people I know to allow me to sleep on their couch. Not that it really matters since I seriously doubt that I'll be able to do this for long before completely losing it anyway. I have always lived comfortably and have been known to complain about accommodations that weren't luxurious enough for my taste. Even the mere thought of staying at a cheap hotel or going camping were enough to disgust me. The whole situation is hard for me to grasp, while I have always been a socially castrated (love that term) I was at least able to keep up appearances. Seems a lifetime removed but less than 2 years ago I had job security, was traveling internationally, staying at 4 and 5-star hotels, frequently dining out, hanging out at exclusive clubs in the capital and shopping like there was no tomorrow. Heck, I should probably get a new wardrobe, the $800 coat, $200 shirts and $400 shoes don't look right on a homeless bum. Certainly wouldn't entice anyone to buy me food... Can't believe I ever spent all this money on things that are now meaningless and considering the resale value of men's clothes absolutely worthless. I don't even see a point in trying, nothing positive can come from this. Think I'm mentally fucked up now? I don't even want to contemplate what kind of mental state I'll be in a month from now. Chances of finding an even semi-decent job will be nearly impossible after being homeless and oh by the way I will have so many judgments against me that even if I do find a measly job I won't get to keep anything. Love? Yeah right, every woman dreams of a disgusting and pathetic broke-as-a-joke pervert. There is absolutely nothing in my future worth living for. For those concerned, no, to my own surprise I am not suicidal right now. Just seriously pissed at myself for being such a failure.

Rule -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/2/2012 4:04:14 AM)
These latter posts do answer a couple of questions about who you are. You have a coat the cost of which nearly covers two months worth of living costs for me. All the money that you spent on luxury contributed to your social isolation as well: money spent on yourself cannot be used to support a family and women know that. Indications are that you do are a submissive. You have got no good sense - conscience - at all. I wonder at the guilt. Likely it is emotional guilt only? Accept who you are. (But never again waste money on frivolities of luxury.) Accept your depression, your social isolation and your sex drive. They are some of the hand of cards that you have been dealt and that you have got to play. As soon as you accept them, as soon as you accept yourself, your load of problems will be lessened. What you require are coping strategies, especially for your sex drive, and only you can develop those strategies. I reiterate: masturbation is the best - and cheapest - and safest solution for your sex drive. Go for the measly jobs! A job is not about the money you earn, but about doing something useful, about contributing to your family, people and population, about having fun and having self-worth. Having a job, however measly, will get you respect. It may even get you a domme. In the end all things pass, like the tides and like the rain. Just wait them out and things will get better.

stellauk -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/2/2012 4:51:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lildude81va Well, at the end of the day all my issues seem to be intertwined and the idea would be removing one of them from the equation. This is what I mean. It must sometimes be a delicate balancing act for you. That what I see as you trying to take responsibility for them and owning them is quite positive. Maybe you need to be a bit kinder to yourself. quote: ORIGINAL: lildude81va Guess you're right as far as homelessness is concerned, may as well be already. Not sure what exactly I'll do, most likely I'll get a motel room for as long as I can afford and after that I'll be sleeping in my car or begging people I know to allow me to sleep on their couch. Not that it really matters since I seriously doubt that I'll be able to do this for long before completely losing it anyway. I have always lived comfortably and have been known to complain about accommodations that weren't luxurious enough for my taste. Even the mere thought of staying at a cheap hotel or going camping were enough to disgust me. As a bit of advice I would forgo the motel rooms and such if you have the options of finding a place in a night shelter or hostel because if there is such help available most of the help available will be now during winter and the early part of the year when people are generally more sympathetic to the homeless. Two things to consider. If you are at such a grave risk of homelessness you're probably going to need help when it comes to accommodation and handling all the daily lifestyle issues of being homeless. Getting that help now, as soon as possible will put you in the 'system' and is better in the long run when it comes to your eventual resettlement. The second thing is, that while you are trying independently to solve your own homelessness you bring yourself more towards a place where you will be tempted to seek solutions through enabling your issues. This not only isn't going to solve your issues but it also won't address the issue of why you are becoming homeless in the first place. This is important. Becoming homeless is a process, a series of mistakes and failures, and you can only address this and solve these issues by reversing the process. This takes time. You're not homeless yet but I see you as such, and it will also be the case that when these issues are resolved and you have some accommodation back being resettled you will still be 'homeless' for a year or two until you have effectively resettled in your new accommodation. This in itself is what makes homelessness a major life-changing experience. If anything I would focus on finding places to store your stuff and keeping your essentials with you, a sort of 'homeless light'. You will need to accept kindness from others and also play the system a bit. Please bear in mind that your depression and all the stuff you are dealing with right now makes you vulnerable, and this is what gives you an advantage when it comes to dealing with people who help the homeless and find accommodation for them. quote: ORIGINAL: lildude81va The whole situation is hard for me to grasp, while I have always been a socially castrated (love that term) I was at least able to keep up appearances. Seems a lifetime removed but less than 2 years ago I had job security, was traveling internationally, staying at 4 and 5-star hotels, frequently dining out, hanging out at exclusive clubs in the capital and shopping like there was no tomorrow. Heck, I should probably get a new wardrobe, the $800 coat, $200 shirts and $400 shoes don't look right on a homeless bum. Certainly wouldn't entice anyone to buy me food... Can't believe I ever spent all this money on things that are now meaningless and considering the resale value of men's clothes absolutely worthless. I hear you. I've been homeless myself and I've also worked with the homeless in day centres and special night shelters. I remember one guy who trained under Gordon Ramsay as a chef and worked in the Savoy Hotel in London. It's not just bums and junkies who become homeless, the homeless come from all walks of life and all levels of society. Also please don't let the stereotypes fool you. There's quite a lot of street homeless here in London with cellphones, laptops and even Internet access and you can sometimes spot them sitting there on the pavement, laptop on their knee, surfing the Internet. A surprising number of them work. It's not a case of them having the wrong priorities either. It is that difficult nowadays to get yourself off the streets, especially if you're a single male. quote: ORIGINAL: lildude81va I don't even see a point in trying, nothing positive can come from this. Think I'm mentally fucked up now? I don't even want to contemplate what kind of mental state I'll be in a month from now. Chances of finding an even semi-decent job will be nearly impossible after being homeless and oh by the way I will have so many judgments against me that even if I do find a measly job I won't get to keep anything. Love? Yeah right, every woman dreams of a disgusting and pathetic broke-as-a-joke pervert. There is absolutely nothing in my future worth living for. I disagree and can see a lot of positives which can come out of this. Okay so you see yourself as mentally fucked up, we're all mentally fucked to a degree, you're just dealing with some pretty major issues. You are the one who has the choice here. You can write yourself off as 'mentally fucked up' and be a victim of your issues, or you can take a step back and say 'Okay so I'm mentally fucked up now, but this one day will pass' and decided to become a survivor. Forget about the sex, about women, even about getting any sort of decent job. These are not important issues right now. Right now the only thing you need to focus on is getting yourself back out of being homeless. You're going to have to overcome a lot of stereotypes and dispel quite a few illusions, and you're also going to have to learn to relate to people in a completely different way. There are positives. You are free, free of the responsibilities which you couldn't handle anyway, you're coming into a part of society which is generally more accepting (many people have been there where you are too) and you're also going to learn quite a lot about life and people and what is really important about both. I'd advise you to look upon this as a challenge, an adventure, a bit like joining the military or taking up mountain climbing. This experience is going to change your perspective on so many things and this, in the future, is going to put you at an advantage. As perverse as it seems, this is a good opportunity to rebuild your life from the bottom up and rewrite your Life Script. Don't worry about what you are losing - you will get all of it back - but it's you who needs to make that effort. quote: ORIGINAL: lildude81va For those concerned, no, to my own surprise I am not suicidal right now. Just seriously pissed at myself for being such a failure. This is understandable, anyone in your shoes would be feeling the same. I know I would. But failure is just another opportunity to try again, to make a fresh start, to rebuild. I don't know you any more than from that what you have shared on this thread, but I'm prepared to believe in you, and I think if you can believe in yourself to a similar degree, you will be able to turn all this round in style. I wish you that, I really do.

Rule -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/2/2012 9:59:27 AM)
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bemyslut -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/2/2012 8:04:03 PM)
Lildude: Zoloft works by a completely different mechanism when it lowers a person's sex drive. Your testosterone levels didnt diminish significantly (one of the primary sources of sex drive; there are various other modifiers as well). When a person is castrated, their testosterone levels plummet--this in and of itself can lead to depression, suicide, etc. Making the analogy that taking Zoloft is akin to castration is faulty logic and displays a lack of understanding. Given your emotional/mental state, no physician would perform a castration as you are already suicidal/depressed. While orchiectomy/chemical castration is a simple procedure, it is not recommended for individuals who have suicidal ideation/feelings. Your underlying feelings/ideals need to be addressed not a quick castration. What would you do if you became even more profoundly depressed after having a castration--how would you cope with it?!?!? Address the emotional issues first! Rule: get a clue....your arrogance is bigger than your ignorance!! congrats on 4,000+ posts, but what are your credentials? google/wikipedia? your own personal experience? There are a multitude of idiots who graduate Summa Cum Laude from Google U!!!

MissImmortalPain -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/3/2012 3:32:36 AM)
I was not suggesting it. He asked. I was only giving one reason as to why it should not be the only thing he seeks out as an answer to his problem with his sex drive.

potgrowermaster -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/3/2012 4:10:06 AM)
Lildude, I suggest castration, I will help you

Rule -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/3/2012 4:13:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bemyslut Rule: get a clue....your arrogance is bigger than your ignorance!! Ha! Thank you. But indeed, you are right - almost. I am a bit less ignorant than you think for I know that you are two feet tall. quote: ORIGINAL: bemyslut congrats on 4,000+ posts Thank you. It seems that I must update my profile again... quote: ORIGINAL: bemyslut what are your credentials? None of your business. quote: ORIGINAL: bemyslut There are a multitude of idiots who graduate Summa Cum Laude from Google U!!! Thank you. Google indeed is a good university. Be glad that you are not my kind of idiot.

MissImmortalPain -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/3/2012 4:18:36 AM)
Rule this is off topic, but I have to ask, is your favorite movie The Princess Bride?

Rule -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/3/2012 6:50:27 AM)
lol I may have heard the title before, but I cannot recall whether I have ever seen it nor know what it is about. I will do some research on it at the Google university. ETA: I Have consulted Wikipedia. Yes, I have seen that movie or at least a good part of it and I do appreciate it.

kalikshama -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/3/2012 7:00:40 AM)
quote: I'm also worried about the possibility of being hospitalized again, my previous therapist made it very clear that he felt I needed more intensive treatment than outpatient therapy can provide so I am concerned that others would come to the same conclusion. I'm not categorically opposed to in-patient treatment but from what I have seen it's not very helpful, being locked up and stripped of all your possessions and freedom (funny, in a different type of setting I would love it!) and having nothing to do other than watching TV, eating bland hospital food, and participating in 2 - 3 group therapy sessions seems counterproductive. Between group therapy and a quick checkup by the attending psychiatrist you get maybe like 10 minutes of therapy a day with very little focus on the current problems. The system is purely designed to prevent people from harming themselves but doesn't really do much to help them resolve the underlying issues. Since you are on the verge of homelessness, now might not be a bad time to consider inpatient therapy. If nothing else, you'll be fed and sheltered. My brother's inpatient experience was pretty much as you described but he was psychotic when he went in but not when he came out, so despite the grinding boredom, he did benefit.

DesFIP -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/3/2012 6:26:47 PM)
Considering that your sexual behavior is not your problem, focusing on it is senseless. Chemical castration won't enable you to get a job or keep one. Nor would it improve your self esteem. Nor your severe depression. The fact that you are focusing on something that no medical professional would even prescribe, to treat a nonexistent problem, is demonstrating that you aren't willing to deal with the real problems at hand. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like you've hit bottom yet. Something I don't recall you speaking about is your use of alcohol and illegal drugs. Because I'm getting the sense that there is an addiction at the basis of your problems, one you are not yet willing to admit to..

LafayetteLady -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/3/2012 6:49:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama quote: I'm also worried about the possibility of being hospitalized again, my previous therapist made it very clear that he felt I needed more intensive treatment than outpatient therapy can provide so I am concerned that others would come to the same conclusion. I'm not categorically opposed to in-patient treatment but from what I have seen it's not very helpful, being locked up and stripped of all your possessions and freedom (funny, in a different type of setting I would love it!) and having nothing to do other than watching TV, eating bland hospital food, and participating in 2 - 3 group therapy sessions seems counterproductive. Between group therapy and a quick checkup by the attending psychiatrist you get maybe like 10 minutes of therapy a day with very little focus on the current problems. The system is purely designed to prevent people from harming themselves but doesn't really do much to help them resolve the underlying issues. Since you are on the verge of homelessness, now might not be a bad time to consider inpatient therapy. If nothing else, you'll be fed and sheltered. My brother's inpatient experience was pretty much as you described but he was psychotic when he went in but not when he came out, so despite the grinding boredom, he did benefit. By going inpatient as a homeless person, they will also assist in finding shelter upon release, which could be helpful. For the most part, typical inpatient is "stabilization of medication and release." Sadly, little to no therapy which would be so beneficial. However, if they can get you stabilized on some decent meds, you will respond better to therapy. There are always some hospitals that offer "charity care" based on income, which at least covers the cost of your hospital stay and quite possibly the out patient care that would be necessary upon release. Unfortunately, the male population is on the bottom rung for homelessness assistance, but it does exist. You don't know if you don't look. You are being very hard on yourself, and while I don't mean to be brutal, it doesn't help your situation at all. Some people have to go through a dozen or so therapists before they find the right one for them, so please don't give up hope. You should try the suggestion of Sex Addicts Anonymous. I think you might be surprised to find some people there that aren't as different from you as you think they will be, and that will go a long way to assuaging the guilt you feel over what you perceive as "perversions." I do wish you luck.

lildude81va -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/3/2012 7:36:20 PM)
I guess it depends how you define rock bottom. Obviously it can and likely will get worse, whether that's sleeping on someone else's couch or spending a freezing night in my car going without food for a few days. Regarding my alcohol/drug use--I don't drink much, for the better part of this year I didn't drink at all as it didn't agree with the medication I was on and while I do consume alcohol now I don't think I'm abusing it. Most weeks I don't drink and some weeks I'll drink maybe once or twice but always within reason, no six packs or anything. Never used or even tried any illegal drugs though I will admit to occasionally doubling up on ADD meds and sleeping pills to get me through the day. On very rare occasion I may overdose on Benadryl if I really want to be out of it for a couple of days.

hausboy -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/3/2012 9:07:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lildude81va I guess it depends how you define rock bottom. Obviously it can and likely will get worse, whether that's sleeping on someone else's couch or spending a freezing night in my car going without food for a few days. Regarding my alcohol/drug use--I don't drink much, for the better part of this year I didn't drink at all as it didn't agree with the medication I was on and while I do consume alcohol now I don't think I'm abusing it. Most weeks I don't drink and some weeks I'll drink maybe once or twice but always within reason, no six packs or anything. Never used or even tried any illegal drugs though I will admit to occasionally doubling up on ADD meds and sleeping pills to get me through the day. On very rare occasion I may overdose on Benadryl if I really want to be out of it for a couple of days. lildude....what you just typed SCREAMS addiction. for the love of all that is good, get off the net and get to a professional. You have twenty gallons of problems and a ten gallon bucket. None of this means you are a bad person--you aren't. You just need to get some help for a lot of the physical and emotional ailments that you are dealing with (or not dealing with). Depression and addiction are not fix-it-yourself-at-home projects.

DameBruschetta -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/3/2012 9:49:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hausboy quote: ORIGINAL: lildude81va I guess it depends how you define rock bottom. Obviously it can and likely will get worse, whether that's sleeping on someone else's couch or spending a freezing night in my car going without food for a few days. Regarding my alcohol/drug use--I don't drink much, for the better part of this year I didn't drink at all as it didn't agree with the medication I was on and while I do consume alcohol now I don't think I'm abusing it. Most weeks I don't drink and some weeks I'll drink maybe once or twice but always within reason, no six packs or anything. Never used or even tried any illegal drugs though I will admit to occasionally doubling up on ADD meds and sleeping pills to get me through the day. On very rare occasion I may overdose on Benadryl if I really want to be out of it for a couple of days. lildude....what you just typed SCREAMS addiction. for the love of all that is good, get off the net and get to a professional. You have twenty gallons of problems and a ten gallon bucket. None of this means you are a bad person--you aren't. You just need to get some help for a lot of the physical and emotional ailments that you are dealing with (or not dealing with). Depression and addiction are not fix-it-yourself-at-home projects. THIS, and perhaps see if you can manage to find someone who knows the rogerian school (Carl Rogers) of thought versus cognitive therapy. From what you've said on this thread I think it could benefit you a lot more then the cognitive school of though - and it would help you resolve all of your issues when are behind the depression from the sounds of things. Like your previous cognitive therapy they do deal with the same things but... the approach is a little different. So much of all of it really involves you being able to at least open up about what you are feeling if you can't own up to all of whats going on from the start. I can certainly understand how you feel, but you have so much going on and that is so much to try to tackle alone. You need some kind of outlet and support system. (And if you aren't ready to do that yet - think about seeing if any of Carl Rogers books are available at your local library, especially "On Becoming a Person" if you can find it. Some of it may go over your head depending on your reading comprehension level but even with no knowledge of the background he is pretty accessible and easy to understand. None of his books can help you fix what is going on, but it can help you change your method of thinking and potentially help you to take some baby steps if you are willing to do it.)

DesFIP -> RE: Chemical castration as a cure? (1/4/2012 6:44:07 PM)
If there is a substance abuse problem, then until that is admitted and sobriety is sought, no other help for any problem will happen. Therapy doesn't help addicts, it is however quite useful for people in recovery. Sleeping pills can be an addiction. Go talk to people at your county mental health center and get evaluated for substance abuse.

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