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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 9:17:25 AM

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So basically you're idolizing your own mad play skills, right?

Do you have any experience in the day to day stuff? Being an effective leader, or is play the end-all for you?

Ad it's reallly okay to talk like a regular person.

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 9:25:11 AM

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if you have never been driven to the point you forget things like safewords and or your name then you never have reached the point of true release but that is just my point of view in this matter .
Yes, it is just your point of view. So tell us, how many times have you reached that point?

There are times when i am playing when i will sit back and just watch as my slave or sub does all the work .
This must be before they hit that point where they can't even tell you their name.
True power is knowing you can brake anyone you choice at anytime you choice to and knowing your slave or sub feels that power in you now that is pricelss in my book .
Brake as in slow down or break as in, now it's broken? And didn't anyone ever tell you, it's not good to break your toys?
and all of the slaves i have played with know full well I do have that power and i only choice to use it when i see fit to do so .
Then what is your problem? From the op it sounded like you were having an issue with the way they responded to you. Now if that is the case, maybe you should look for the constant in the equation.

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 9:25:27 AM

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Choose to......choose. Choose is a verb, choice is a noun.

That being said......no, true power is not knowing you can break (again, break is the correct word, brake relates to automobiles) anyone you CHOOSE at anytime you CHOOSE. Any incompetent oaf can break someone.

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 9:26:21 AM

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if you have never been driven to the point you forget things like safewords and or your name then you never have reached the point of true release

Yeah, that's it. Everyone else just isn't doing it right......

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 9:41:35 AM

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True power is knowing you can ~~brake~~ break anyone you ~~choice~~ choose at anytime you ~~choice~~ choose to and knowing your slave or sub feels that power in you. Now that is pricelss in my book. And all of the slaves i have played with know full well I do have that power and i only ~~choice~~ choose to use it when i see fit to do so

Except for when they are talking back and/or fighting you while being taken, thus making you feel the
need to show your power.

Dominance isn't an arm wrestling game. Work more on being a man others are inspired to submit to,
and less on your muscles.

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 9:50:03 AM

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I am a a middle-aged lady...MOST men could overpower me physically. So what? I don't dominate because I know how to smash someone physically. It's not about that.

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 9:51:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: poise

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True power is knowing you can ~~brake~~ break anyone you ~~choice~~ choose at anytime you ~~choice~~ choose to and knowing your slave or sub feels that power in you. Now that is pricelss in my book. And all of the slaves i have played with know full well I do have that power and i only ~~choice~~ choose to use it when i see fit to do so

Except for when they are talking back and/or fighting you while being taken, thus making you feel the
need to show your power.

Dominance isn't an arm wrestling game. Work more on being a man others are inspired to submit to,
and less on your muscles.

Scaling back the arrogance couldn't hurt either.

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 9:52:10 AM

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A good Dom does not break his toys.

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 9:56:14 AM

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It does take power to break things; it takes more power to build them. I've always found creating something new to be hard.

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 9:57:14 AM

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In a purely play situation (as opposed to a D/s relationship) I get lippy and talk back. That's because for the duration of the play, the power is mine and I know it. Let's liken it to sex. If you're having casual sex with someone for fun, then you expect to have fun.

Similarly, if I'm doing a bit of play with someone for fun, I want to have fun. If I'm not having fun then I'll either push until I start enjoying myself, or I leave. If he wanted me to do something I didn't want to do, then it's likely I wouldn't do it. Several years ago I had a couple of dates with a guy and we decided to play. I got to his home, and his first instruction was to clean the oven. I laughed, he got annoyed, I left.

It's very different in a relationship. Most of the time I have fun because he wants me to have fun. But there are times when it's all about him and his pleasure, and to hell with mine. That's fine because that's what we've figured out works between us. In this case he holds the majority of the power, and the strength of his dominance inspires me to follow his lead.

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 10:18:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: poise

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True power is knowing you can ~~brake~~ break anyone you ~~choice~~ choose at anytime you ~~choice~~ choose to and knowing your slave or sub feels that power in you. Now that is pricelss in my book. And all of the slaves i have played with know full well I do have that power and i only ~~choice~~ choose to use it when i see fit to do so

Except for when they are talking back and/or fighting you while being taken, thus making you feel the
need to show your power.

Dominance isn't an arm wrestling game. Work more on being a man others are inspired to submit to,
and less on your muscles.

Scaling back the arrogance couldn't hurt either.

Ya think?

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 10:20:02 AM

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If someone doesn't have a true Dominant nature, then yes I will talk back and let my smart ass side show much more. There is just something about a guy that has to push his "dominance" around that makes me want to push back. I will also tend to talk back more when I've lost respect for someone I'm with, or when there's no consistancy in the relationship. There have also been times when I've talked to guys that say they're dominant just to try to hook up with me, but they're more passive than anything. Then I'll talk back just because I know I can.

Whenever I meet someone that truly is dominant though, I'm all subbie. There is something about the confidence and authority that naturally emanates from a truly dominant person that makes me completely melt.

As far as fighting back during a scene? Well, that can be pretty darn hot. That's one reason I prefer men that are bigger/taller than me. Knowing that I am physcially overpowered, and occasionally feeling that by being "forceably" taken is an incredible turn on for me.

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 10:22:22 AM

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I find it all depends on the man as well. I have known men who wouldnt take any lip. I have known men who want that struggle. I have known men who, in bed, can turn into the sweetest obsession and never once have to use power to get it.

Perhaps that is the OPs problem. He cant get what he wants because 1) he doesnt know what he wants and 2) its all about him.

Now, when a man gets a woman who, out of the blue, will crawl to his feet, beg for his touch..... then a man knows real power.

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 10:22:28 AM

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im suspecting brand new /full of it/ mother dropped him on his head or in the *i am dom hear me roar stages*....

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 10:23:23 AM

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If someone doesn't have a true Dominant nature

What's a "True Dominant nature"?

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There is just something about a guy that has to push his "dominance" around that makes me want to push back.

There's a difference between dominant and domineering. The above is an example of domineering.

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 10:24:30 AM

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OP~ Your posts completely contradict each other.

shylilbear...true, eh? What's truly Dominant?

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 10:24:34 AM

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I am sitting here asking myself why some subs and slaves always feel the need to talk back when ordered to do the smallest task ?? or they feel the need to fight while being taken ??

Maybe you haven't established Dominance. Just because you're a Dominant, it doesn't mean they see you as one yet. Maybe they enjoy having a challenge during scenes, or conflict, or just seeing what happens. There are multiple reasons.

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There are safewords it is just sometimes my slaves or sub forget them

They "forget" them? Why is that? When I was a sub, I met a Dom who wanted to pick my safeword. I told him the safeword was MINE and something that I needed to remember in stressful or anxious situations so I am the one who should choose it, not him. If the person chooses the safeword her/himself, it goes a long ways towards remembering it more easily.

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if you have never been driven to the point you forget things like safewords and or your name then you never have reached the point of true release but that is just my point of view in this matter .There are times when i am playing when i will sit back and just watch as my slave or sub does all the work .True power is knowing you can brake anyone you choice at anytime you choice to and knowing your slave or sub feels that power in you now that is pricelss in my book .and all of the slaves i have played with know full well I do have that power and i only choice to use it when i see fit to do so .

I disagree. That's just your opinion. Someone can reach the point of "true release," subspace, or whatever without you turning her/his mind into jelly to the point of forgetting her/his safeword. I also disagree with your idea of "true power." Any nincompoop can break someone. That's just being a bully, so it doesn't make you special in any way. Btw, "brake" is part of an automobile, not something you do. If you want her to see you as Dominant, you need to inspire submission in her, not force it.

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 10:29:39 AM

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Except for when they are talking back and/or fighting you while being taken, thus making you feel the
need to show your power.

Dominance isn't an arm wrestling game. Work more on being a man others are inspired to submit to,
and less on your muscles.

I feel the need to speak to this, though and I think the OP may have a point because I have encountered a few "submissives" who have been obstinate or out-and-out disobedient because, in their view, that will get them a spanking (or a flogging or whatever).

My line of thinking is that a dominant doesn't "take"; they graciously accept a lady's submission when it is offered to them (if they find the lady and her service to be of value). Obviously, that means that the lady that feels like she has to misbehave to get what she wants is not going to be a good match for me.

For the OP: If this kind of behavior is really bothering you, it is quite simple to correct. Tell these ladies that you don't reward bad behavior and mean it. "Don't make me not hurt/spank/flog/whatever you" can be quite a powerfully persuasive tool if you back it up.

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 10:41:10 AM

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I feel the need to speak to this, though and I think the OP may have a point because I have encountered a few "submissives" who have been obstinate or out-and-out disobedient because, in their view, that will get them a spanking (or a flogging or whatever).

He's given the impression that these are play partners, not a relationship, which makes a huge difference.

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RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back - 1/26/2012 10:41:51 AM

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I should have known the "true" word would get negative responses. My apologies, but that was the only way I could figure out to word it. I think when you read further down my post you'll see that I did try to clarify that. When I said a true dominant, I was referring to someone that's naturally dominant. Not someone that has to brag about it, or be pushy about it, and yes, I do understand that's the difference between dominant and domineering. I've lived with domineering types before and it was a whole lot of no fun.

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