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blood type and immune system - 2/1/2012 10:11:33 PM   
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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/1/2012 10:33:50 PM   
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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/2/2012 4:06:43 AM   
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Short answer is no.


This.

There are blood-borne illnesses and illnesses that are linked by genetics (particularly in some cultures) but blood type is not an indication of health or immunity.

Immunity is based upon the individual. Their general health & well being, their exposure to illnesses, vaccination records all play a factor.




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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/2/2012 6:38:16 AM   
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What prompts you to ask?

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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/2/2012 6:57:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do not think there is any correlation between blood type and strength of immunity. Even from casual observation of my extended family and friends, there seems to be no pattern whatsoever in terms of who is healthiest and their blood type (I realize this observation is completely unscientific, but you would expect to see some pattern if blood type related to health.) When I think of people I know who share my blood type, there is the entire range from very unhealthy and prone to many ailments, diseases, etc., to the very healthy.

I know there are cultures (Chinese, I think) that believe that blood type determines personality, and also people who think certain types of diets are better for certain blood types, but I have never seen any scientific support for those claims (not that that doesn't make them true - I just have not seen any scientific support). I do know that the diet claims actually state some things that are completely inaccurate, so I certainly don't follow the diet guidelines.

Anyway, I know this isn't what you were asking, but your question does make me curious about what you're thinking about specifically.

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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/2/2012 7:39:18 AM   
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however, people who lead the super clean lifestyles will generally have a lower immune system than say a farmer. we need to be exposed to things to be stronger. the obsession with 100% germ free life is what is creating the super bugs. i'm not talking hospitals but in general life, we are designed to cope with these things. it's where the 'what doesn't kill us makes us stronger' thing comes into play.

as for your blood group, your blood is either good or not and if not it needs investigating.

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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/2/2012 4:10:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can't speak to blood type, but sugar depresses the immune system.

Something like 80% of your immune system is concentrated in your digestive system, which makes your stomach and intestines a battleground against disease. A famous 1973 study from Loma Linda University suggests that sugar intake has a direct effect on immune function. Neutrophils, the most abundant type of white blood cell, are instrumental in defending our bodies against disease. They accomplish this task via a process called neutrophilic phagocytosis (in English: neutrophils destroy damaging microbes). The LLU study fed subjects 100-gram portions of different sugars (orange juice, honey, and each of the three main sugars – glucose, fructose, sucrose) and observed the effects of the sugar on neutrophilic phagocytosis. Result: a significantly lower response.

Here's the study abstract: http://www.ajcn.org/content/26/11/1180.abstract



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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/2/2012 5:19:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		the immune system has no correlation to blood type. Surface antigens on the the red blood cell determine ABO blood type groups. The immune system is much more complex than neutrophils (and the more encompassing White Blood Cells). For the immune system to work properly, it must be able to recognize foreign substances (antigens) in the body, produce antibodies, and mount an immune response. A defect in any of these steps can weaken "immunity". The medical community has known for years that poorly controlled diabetics have a weakened immune response. Increased glucose levels appear to inhibit microtubial formation which is essential for WBC to exit vessels and "seek" antigens; this is a prevalent theory

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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/2/2012 5:38:25 PM   
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Is blood type related to immune system strength?


its the Hemoglobin, wich compine with O2 from lungs to the whole body,
les Hemoglobin means les immune system strength " Anemia ".

my mother had it, my father had it,
i should have it .... yes its genetic

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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/2/2012 7:04:07 PM   
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Is blood type related to immune system strength?


Hi DBG--

I am not aware of any correlation between blood type and immune system strength.   if you mix the blood types--that is, you give a blood type to a patient that is not compatible, you will trigger the body's immune system in a manner that can be fatal.


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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/2/2012 8:08:29 PM   
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That's a wonderful question. I never gave it any thought, and don't know enough about it to offer an opinion one way or another.

What prompts you to ask?


My husband and Sir has the strongest immune system I've ever seen. My immune system has improved since I quit smoking, but I'm not immune to most colds and stomach viruses like Sir is. Our roommate works at a convenience store and lately has been sick at least every other week. I'm usually safe if I maintain my distance and spend most of my time in the bedroom when he's home. That shouldn't matter since Sir takes no precautions to stay away from our roommate when he's sick (even though Sir is immune germs could still be on his clothes), but for some reason it does make a difference. I read one article claiming blood type was related to longevity and immune system strength and another article that said there was no relation at all.

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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/2/2012 8:42:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls

That's a wonderful question. I never gave it any thought, and don't know enough about it to offer an opinion one way or another.

What prompts you to ask?


My husband and Sir has the strongest immune system I've ever seen. My immune system has improved since I quit smoking, but I'm not immune to most colds and stomach viruses like Sir is. Our roommate works at a convenience store and lately has been sick at least every other week. I'm usually safe if I maintain my distance and spend most of my time in the bedroom when he's home. That shouldn't matter since Sir takes no precautions to stay away from our roommate when he's sick (even though Sir is immune germs could still be on his clothes), but for some reason it does make a difference. I read one article claiming blood type was related to longevity and immune system strength and another article that said there was no relation at all.


Hi DBG

everyone's immune system is slightly different--our immune system is one of the amazing marvels of the human body--there are numerous factors which can affect our bodies' abilities to fight disease, and the brilliance of our immune system is not only it's "memory", but it's ability to adapt and respond to invading and/or novel bugs.  I have a healthy respect (no pun intended) for viruses, however, who are also quite adept at outsmarting our immune systems, and have a remarkable ability to mutate in order to survive.

No one is actually immune to colds--some people are much more susceptible.  There are hundreds of different cold viruses--rhinovirus gets the most "press."  Things like nutrition, sleep/rest, and disease (such as diabetes) and hormone levels can all affect one's immune system.  And please don't take this the wrong way--speaking in the most general of terms--the spread of disease (particularly certain viruses, like Norovirus, a common winter stomach bug) is greatly impacted by poor hand-washing techniques and lack of proper infection control practices.(not covering one's sneeze/cough, touching eyes/mouth, etc.)  No one is completely immune to the bugs out there--but some have stronger immune systems that do a better job of fighting off the "invaders" than others, and some people do a better job of protecting themselves with proper practices. 

Age does affect our immune system--as we age, we are more susceptible and our immune systems weaken.
As for germs on the clothing--while some viruses can live on surfaces for limited periods of time, colds are not spread through clothing specifically.  Primary method of spread is from airborne droplets and droplets on surfaces, and then the person touches the surface then their own mucous membrane (eyes, nose, mouth etc.)  So if you pick up a sick person's socks or jacket, you aren't at high risk of catching their cold.  If you handle their dirty tissues, or the blanket with their mucus/snot on it, you're much greater risk.  What you've described (staying away from the sick roommate) is a good practice--it's called "social distancing."

Your convenience store roommate?  Not surprising at all.  He is likely in close proximity to the public all day (who probably cough and sneeze on him) and he handles money, which is one of the dirtier things we put our hands on each day.  (combine that with working long hours--poor sleep--and possibly not the best lunch choices--poor nutrition--and he's a downright incubator!)

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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/2/2012 9:19:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I heard over time, doctors, nurses, convenience store workers, and others routinely exposed to lots of illnesses develop strong immune systems? Is that an old wives tale? Our roommate didn't just start working there. He's been there 2+ years, yet he's always getting sick and so are his co-workers and bosses.

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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/2/2012 9:53:22 PM   
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I heard over time, doctors, nurses, convenience store workers, and others routinely exposed to lots of illnesses develop strong immune systems? Is that an old wives tale? Our roommate didn't just start working there. He's been there 2+ years, yet he's always getting sick and so are his co-workers and bosses.


A healthy immune system does a good job of keeping the body protected--and a healthy lifestyle goes a long way.  In some cases, like chicken pox, exposure at an early age is a good thing.  The challenge with the more common bugs--colds and flu--there are so many different strains out there and they are prone to antigenic drift or what is often referred to as "mutation"--the body could never be able to adapt with it.  There's no cold vaccine.  (invent a cold vaccine and there's a Nobel prize in it for you!)

With flu virus, the vaccine contains three projected strains (usually based on what's observed/tracked in the Southern global hemisphere where it strikes earlier in the cycle).  In a good year, they get it right..... you get your flu shot, in about 7-14 days you build up your antibodies, and you will likely have a healthy winter free of flu.  In a bad year, they miss the mark.  Winter is a rough time for disease--not only do colds and flu circulate, but there are dozens of other nasty winter bugs that make the rounds.

Healthcare workers are much more aware of infection control practices, wear medical gloves, and wash their hands far more frequently than say....the convenience store clerk.  Unlike in the store clerk's workplace, the sick folks in a doctors office or hospital are more likely to be masked to prevent droplet spread.  

Actually the folks I know who are always getting sick?  school teachers and parents of school-age kids.  Elementary schools are the worst!  We have had a lot of employees out this season with respiratory ailments.  The employees who seem to be getting sick the most have been the administrative/clerical staff and those at the front desks...and those with kids.

edited to add:  there is a lot of discussion about antibacterial soaps and overuse-- and that's where the comment about "a little dirt is good for you" comes from.  Clean is not bad.  Antibacterials aren't bad. But too much of a good thing can be...it's not a bad thing to be exposed to some germs as it gives your body a chance to learn how to fight them.  Antibiotic medications should definitely NOT be overused as there is growing evidence of resistance to these drugs.


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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/2/2012 10:30:11 PM   
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My husband and Sir has the strongest immune system I've ever seen. My immune system has improved since I quit smoking, but I'm not immune to most colds and stomach viruses like Sir is. Our roommate works at a convenience store and lately has been sick at least every other week. I'm usually safe if I maintain my distance and spend most of my time in the bedroom when he's home. That shouldn't matter since Sir takes no precautions to stay away from our roommate when he's sick (even though Sir is immune germs could still be on his clothes), but for some reason it does make a difference. I read one article claiming blood type was related to longevity and immune system strength and another article that said there was no relation at all.

It may be that your husband has a genotype that prevents a cold virus from adhering to and infecting his cells.

Do you have a herpes virus? I have often had colds and only during the past couple of years came to realize that it was actually not a cold but a herpes virus as primary cause, perhaps enabling opportunistic bacteria to exacerbate the cold symptoms as secondary cause.

Alternatively, can it be that you eat either more sweets or large amounts of 'healthy' - NOT - fruits?

As for your roommate, yes of course he runs a higher risk of getting infected. However, most colds are triggered by environmental conditions. We carry bacteria that cause colds around all the time. When the environmental conditions change, one of them can become opportunistic. Such changes can be dietary, but often they are caused by heating and air-conditioning (sick building syndrome). For example, the air in public transportation during the winter season is often heated to such a degree that the air becomes dry and starts to dry out the mucous membranes of the people in the vehicle. In my opinion that makes them hundreds of times more susceptible to cold and influenza infections. As well, there often is a large number of people in such a confined space, especially during rush hours when people go to or from their work or school, which increases the infection risk very much. So: does your roommate use the public transport? If so, he had better go by bike.

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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/2/2012 11:13:27 PM   
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Actually, ]research has now proved that early intervention with antivirals can reduce the viral load to a level where it is nearly impossible to transmit the disease.

Yes, I had heard about that.

However, do not be suckered into a false sense of safety. According to me this virus was developed, manufactured and weaponized in a Russian laboratory and purposely introduced into the population with the aim of killing off billions of people. The people who are behind this are doing everything in their power to further this aim and to obstruct research to fight the virus.

Epidemics grow in exponential ways. The only way one can be certain not to transmit the virus to other people is by committing suicide. Everyone who is not treated and dies within six months to two years after contracting the virus has only that limited amount of time to infect other people. People who are treated have far longer to infect other people. Such virulent lethal viruses (actually people die not from HIV, but from other opportunistic disease causing agents; someone with HIV and herpes dies within half a year, I once read) would in the natural course of the epidemic rather quickly die out. For example: the extremely lethal Ebola virus kills an infected person within days, but the number of victims usually is limited to a single afflicted village.

Another efficient, but less optimal method of halting the exponential spread of the disease is quarantine. Convents would be ideal places for such quarantined people. Unfortunately, convent life is no longer a part of our culture.

This is a war and the nature of the attacking weapon is biological warfare. In my opinion we are all soldiers and the infected soldiers best serve their population by sacrificing themselves.

Another way to end this war is by surrendering. The aim of the war is to reduce the world population by billions of people. If that aim is achieved in another way the people who initiated the war are likely to suspend their hostile actions and to cure the infected (as I deem it likely that they do have a cure). Severe Malthusian birth control might do the trick.

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Rule, as an aside, You often discus your bout with herpes and how it was nearly fatal and you mention how all herpes viruses are terrible.
Perhaps you could explain what your experience was and tell of what you know about the various viruses?

Currently the only danger I am aware of regarding herpes is that post herpetic neuralgia (PHN for short,from Shingles) is a leading cause of suicide in older adults.

I have written hundreds of pages about the herpes viruses and the dozens, perchance - and likely - hundreds of diseases they cause. I intend to continue this book, which has been in the fridge for nine years now, in the near future, as my sister is in a lot of pain from her herpes virus.

Suffice it to say that in my opinion these are the causes of death and disease:
1. Herpes viruses
2. Physicians (so-called iatrogenic diseases)

The above two causes, I suspect, account for about 90-95 per cent of all disease and deaths.

3. Sugars / lots of food
4. Other disease causing organisms
5. Addictive substances (drugs, nicotine, alcohol)
6. Accidents
7. Very old age (over ninety years old)
8. Violence

If someone has died or gotten a disease and causes 3-8 do not apply, then one can be nearly certain that either cause one or two or both of them apply.

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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/3/2012 10:33:57 AM   
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Actually, ]research has now proved that early intervention with antivirals can reduce the viral load to a level where it is nearly impossible to transmit the disease.

Yes, I had heard about that.

However, do not be suckered into a false sense of safety. According to me this virus was developed, manufactured and weaponized in a Russian laboratory and purposely introduced into the population with the aim of killing off billions of people. The people who are behind this are doing everything in their power to further this aim and to obstruct research to fight the virus.

Epidemics grow in exponential ways. The only way one can be certain not to transmit the virus to other people is by committing suicide. Everyone who is not treated and dies within six months to two years after contracting the virus has only that limited amount of time to infect other people. People who are treated have far longer to infect other people. Such virulent lethal viruses (actually people die not from HIV, but from other opportunistic disease causing agents; someone with HIV and herpes dies within half a year, I once read) would in the natural course of the epidemic rather quickly die out. For example: the extremely lethal Ebola virus kills an infected person within days, but the number of victims usually is limited to a single afflicted village.

Another efficient, but less optimal method of halting the exponential spread of the disease is quarantine. Convents would be ideal places for such quarantined people. Unfortunately, convent life is no longer a part of our culture.

This is a war and the nature of the attacking weapon is biological warfare. In my opinion we are all soldiers and the infected soldiers best serve their population by sacrificing themselves.

Another way to end this war is by surrendering. The aim of the war is to reduce the world population by billions of people. If that aim is achieved in another way the people who initiated the war are likely to suspend their hostile actions and to cure the infected (as I deem it likely that they do have a cure). Severe Malthusian birth control might do the trick.

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Rule, as an aside, You often discus your bout with herpes and how it was nearly fatal and you mention how all herpes viruses are terrible.
Perhaps you could explain what your experience was and tell of what you know about the various viruses?

Currently the only danger I am aware of regarding herpes is that post herpetic neuralgia (PHN for short,from Shingles) is a leading cause of suicide in older adults.

I have written hundreds of pages about the herpes viruses and the dozens, perchance - and likely - hundreds of diseases they cause. I intend to continue this book, which has been in the fridge for nine years now, in the near future, as my sister is in a lot of pain from her herpes virus.

Suffice it to say that in my opinion these are the causes of death and disease:
1. Herpes viruses
2. Physicians (so-called iatrogenic diseases)

The above two causes, I suspect, account for about 90-95 per cent of all disease and deaths.

3. Sugars / lots of food
4. Other disease causing organisms
5. Addictive substances (drugs, nicotine, alcohol)
6. Accidents
7. Very old age (over ninety years old)
8. Violence

If someone has died or gotten a disease and causes 3-8 do not apply, then one can be nearly certain that either cause one or two or both of them apply.


Well, you didn't really answer my question about herpes but no answer is still an answer.

As for your theory, I kind of tend to believe facts:
http://www.avert.org/origin-aids-hiv.htm

There isn't a patient zero but it seems as though there is enough evidence to support the "it oringinated in Chimpanzees theory.

As for your man-made virus theory: as with all things, believing doesn't make it so.
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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/3/2012 12:18:59 PM   
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As for your theory, I kind of tend to believe facts:

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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/3/2012 5:01:54 PM   
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He's been there 2+ years, yet he's always getting sick and so are his co-workers and bosses.


If they all are good about washing their hands after handling money before touching their face or mucous membranes (eyes, nose, mouth, etc), then probably there is mold in the HVAC system or another environmental cause.

ps - my former roommate handled money all day, did NOT wash his hands regularly, and got sick far more often than I did.

Normally, when everyone in the workplace gets sick, I suspect mold. However, in this workplace, they are all handling money.

The first rule to avoiding infection is: Never put your hands in your eyes or to your nose without washing them first. The eyes are especially important as we often rub our eyes, or flick out the "sand" from our tear ducts, without thinking about it. This nearly automatic response can get us into real trouble. A good way of avoiding this is to rub and wash the goop out of our eyes each time we wash our hands. Out of consideration for others, you should also wash your hands immediately after putting them in your eyes or up to your nose. If everyone did both of these things, colds and flu's would be
uncommon in our society.

Be very careful after handling money. Money passes from hand to hand, person to person, frequently. You can bet that the money in your wallet has plenty of germs any time of the year. During cold and flu season, money is a potential source of infection. Credit cards and checks are less of a problem, unless the clerk to whom you hand your credit card or check cashing ID is sick. Beware of any pens at the counter -- like money, they've been in quite a few different hands lately. Get in the habit of carrying and using your own pen for signing credit card vouchers and writing checks. ATM keypads and public telephones fall into the same category as pens and money; consider them potential sources of infection.

Clerks at your local grocery store are another potential source of infection. Since they handle money during cold and flu season, they are very likely to get sick during that time of year (especially if they rub their eyes without washing their hands after handling money). Since the clerk handles every item you're buying, your first line of defense is to try to pick a healthy cashier. This can be difficult if the clerk is using medication which suppresses cold or flu symptoms. Watch and listen for signs of illness and change lines if necessary.

Read more: http://www.healthsalon.com/colds/index.htm

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RE: blood type and immune system - 2/3/2012 5:17:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kalikshama is right. Handwashing is the key. People with better handwashing technique usually acquire less illnesses. That's why I personally dislike those antiseptic handrubs because they do not teach proper handwashing technique, and they are ineffective against some illnesses (gastro comes to mind).

As far as healthcare workers, I think it depends on the season and what ward you work on. I caught a lot more respiratory illnesses when I worked in a general medical or intensive care unit. In surgical, not so much (only catch them from fellow nurses who come to work sick! But thats another rant for another time.)

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