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mnottertail -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/15/2012 1:46:59 PM)

Buddists are most severly disquieted by this notion.  Taoists will meditate on this, there must be a middle way.



newdmsextoy -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/15/2012 1:59:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Buddists are most severly disquieted by this notion.  Taoists will meditate on this, there must be a middle way.


Quite possibly.  But that was Zen and this is Tao.



BenevolentM -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/15/2012 2:12:17 PM)

Earlier in this thread I wrote

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That is an interesting question. What is worship? If having to believe is evil, maybe worship is also evil and the reason why some reject it. They reason why should I have to embrace an evil thing?



Intuitively, I do not feel that worship is evil, at least not intrinsically evil, but there appear to be extrinsic factors at work that make worship extrinsically evil. For example, a man is faithful to his wife and family, but would rob you blind and that is thought of as ok. Today, you would think that Sin only involve matters pertaining to sexuality and having to refrain from murdering unborn babies which is indirectly tied to sexuality.

Some have stated that they would not worship God, but what is worship? It appears that a relationship between worship and feelings of guilt exists. The argument appears to be: I do not wish to feel guilty and worship makes me feel guilty, therefore I shall not worship.

Sin is not extraordinary. The absence of Sin is. The modern notion of what is immoral is strategic. The strategy has an unfortunate side effect. It drives those who cannot think for themselves to think that God is your enemy. The modern notion of Sin is not full bodied and as such it places an unnatural emphasis on certain varieties of Sin while placing an unnatural lack of emphasis on others.

If we Sin, there is a safety net. The goal is not to Sin, however. As such give the Church what it wants. It simply desires the freedom not to Sin. All you need do is concede the possibility that the Church is right.

The commandment is simple. Do not be an enemy.

But you claim that you are lost and do not know what is true. Use your intuition. Do not deny another who is doing the same. Do not be someone who neither God nor Satan can respect. If you are unable to win the respect of Satan, you shall not enter the Kingdom of God. If you are unable to win the respect of God, you shall not enter the Kingdom of God. If you are going to hell, you will not need God, but you will need Satan. If you please Satan, then you are already half way. If you are pleasing to Satan and you reach out to God, you shall be saved.

Why else would Satan relinquish his claim to your soul? Because God would unlawfully take from Satan what is rightfully his? It is not the nature of God to be unlawful. So long as you are a piece of shit, Satan will continue to have a rightful claim to your soul.



BenevolentM -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/15/2012 2:31:19 PM)

What I wrote implies that in hell entities will come in exactly two mutually exclusive varieties. Those who are free and those who live in slavery. Those who are free are those who have the respect of Satan and the remainder are excrement. What Christ said to Satan was that in His Kingdom, no one shall be excrement. All shall have His respect. Satan was saying be practical. In order for Christ to achieve His goal, He had to embrace an evil thing, namely having to suffer as we do and become one with our tragedy.



BenevolentM -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/15/2012 2:51:15 PM)

If you are self-concerned and you are practical minded, then it is hell that resonates with you.



BenevolentM -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/15/2012 3:06:50 PM)

What I am saying I feel should resonate with many, but not necessarily all, Atheists. My response concerning what is my authority might not. My authority comes from the Mother of the Church and Christ. I was once addressed by Christ as a brother having walked in his shoes. I won the respect of both the devil and God. I have lived these things that I speak of.



fucktoyprincess -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/15/2012 3:39:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

I was once addressed by Christ as a brother having walked in his shoes. I won the respect of both the devil and God. I have lived these things that I speak of.


Well, then, this explains a lot....



hardcybermaster -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/15/2012 3:40:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

Last time I looked over 3.5 billion people said they followed either the christian or islamic faiths.

Well that's a nice dance step, but you said religion trades on guilt and fear. Religion, period. Not Christianity and Islam.

Last time I looked, that would leave somewhere around a couple of billion people in for a helluva surprise.

K.

pardon my lack of precision, there are approx. just over 1 billion people who follow other religions so that means that Islam and Christianity account for around 75% of believers, is that not enough?
Where do you get the 2 billion figure from? If that's everyone then we seem to have lost 500 million, a bit careless. Or you have vastly underestimated the number of atheists which is about 1.5 billion. Either way 2 billion is wrong



Kirata -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/15/2012 11:21:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

pardon my lack of precision, there are approx. just over 1 billion people who follow other religions so that means that Islam and Christianity account for around 75% of believers, is that not enough?

If a dozen guys were beating you up, would you say that they'd stopped if nine took a break while the other three kept on kicking the shit out you?


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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

Where do you get the 2 billion figure from? If that's everyone then we seem to have lost 500 million, a bit careless. Or you have vastly underestimated the number of atheists which is about 1.5 billion. Either way 2 billion is wrong

What seems to be a fairly well-referenced entry in Wikipedia puts the numbers at around a billion Hindus, half a billion Buddhists, and half a billion followers of Chinese religions, taking the high side of the estimates, plus Jains, Sikhs, and various other smaller religious groups to take up the slack if you prefer the lower estimates. All in all, it seems fair to say (as I did) "around a couple of billion."

K.




Edwynn -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/15/2012 11:39:50 PM)



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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Buddists are most severly disquieted by this notion.  Taoists will meditate on this, there must be a middle way.





"The mass of men lead disquieted lives of meditation."

(Apologies to Thoreau)





Moonhead -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/16/2012 5:16:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn



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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Buddists are most severly disquieted by this notion.  Taoists will meditate on this, there must be a middle way.





"The mass of men lead disquieted lives of meditation."

(Apologies to Thoreau)


"Hanging on in quiet desperation is the Buddhist way..."
(Roger Waters)



Kirata -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/16/2012 5:36:48 AM)



There is nothing in Christianity or Buddhism that quite matches the sympathetic unselfishness of an oyster. ~H.H.Munro

K.











mnottertail -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/16/2012 6:30:09 AM)

God will forgive me. It's his job.
Heinrich Heine







BenevolentM -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/16/2012 10:37:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

God will forgive me. It's his job.
Heinrich Heine



Suppose God were a Dom. I am a Dom. How would I respond if a subbie tried this on me? I would say to her, It is my job to forgive you once you have been properly punished.



mnottertail -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/16/2012 10:41:00 AM)

Suppose thats true.  Somebody has really fucked up a testament if you are an xtian.
If you of some other belief, then the I am gonna smite your ass shit until you love me isn't such a centerpiece of logic.



BenevolentM -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/16/2012 11:07:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata



There is nothing in Christianity or Buddhism that quite matches the sympathetic unselfishness of an oyster. ~H.H.Munro

K.


So this is how you would treat a woman? Are women oysters to you? If yes, then perhaps this is why you treat God as an oyster. If no, then perhaps there is flaw in your reasoning. It seems to me that you must admit to yes since this is the only defensible position you could take.

Suppose you were to say yes. If women were oysters to you (or perhaps stated with greater precision, to you a good woman is an oyster), then I would conclude that you want something that is cut and dry. That is you desire a relationship where the nature of the thing is known fully to you. Though a woman can fulfill the role of filth eater (I'm making a reference to Tlazolteotl here http://www.goddessaday.com/mayan/tlazolteotl), no woman is an oyster. If no woman is an oyster, neither is God.



Kirata -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/16/2012 11:14:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

If women were oysters to you (or perhaps stated with greater precision, to you a good woman is an oyster), then I would conclude that you want something that is cut and dry...

Yukk, make mine open on the half-shell.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

... That is you desire a relationship where the nature of the thing is known fully to you.

Yes, as much and as deeply as possible.

K.



BenevolentM -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/16/2012 11:22:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Suppose thats true.  Somebody has really fucked up a testament if you are an xtian.
If you of some other belief, then the I am gonna smite your ass shit until you love me isn't such a centerpiece of logic.



See previous response to Kirata. At one time I thought God was a Goddess. "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned, ..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Congreve

As I see it, be grateful God is a God.



mnottertail -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/16/2012 11:25:48 AM)

Not sure what that gets me, you have your thoughts and they in no wise coincide with mine.   Kirata may go out with sofiel zoftiger women than I do, if they have oysters, mine have clams..... 



Kirata -> RE: Could you resist and why would you want to? (2/16/2012 11:41:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Kirata may go out with sofiel zoftiger women than I do, if they have oysters, mine have clams.....

Nope, prefer slim. Clams are okay, but not crabs.

K.



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