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Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with everyth... - 2/13/2012 11:31:07 PM   
TheKingofHell


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Status: offline 		I mean he has some of the best and insightful quotes. I chose this one because there is some truth to it and it's valentines day.

“Love me or hate me, both are in my favor…If you love me, I'll always be in your heart…If you hate me, I'll always be in your mind.” - William Shakespear

Bonus Question:
Do you agree with the quote and why?

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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/13/2012 11:53:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Shakespeare's success was based largely upon his ability to study and observe humankind. He was, first and foremost, a canny observer of people. He recognized human foibles, and made use of them.

Two examples tell the tale.

First, if you look at the beginning of Julius Caesar, you'll find the first bit is a whole series of puns that come across as silly. They seem to have nothing to do with the story. However, Shakespeare understood that he was writing for two audiences. The first, better educated and "higher class" sat in the box seats. They were smart enough to wait for a plot to develop. The second was the "common folks" who stood in the well during the whole production. He knew that "high-brow" thinking would go right past these folks, so he started the play by appealing to them, getting them hooked before turning to more serious things.

Second, look at A Midsummer Night's Dream. It's about fairies, and very few believed in them. So...what does he do? He begins the play with a serious theme...the pending marriage of two nobles. Then, he moves on, to a group of bumpkins preparing (in their own way) to produce a play of some sort. Now, after you've accepted those two plots as reasonable...only after that...does he introduce the fairies. Again, he understood his audience. The way he presents the fairies also makes them plausible enough that we accept the idea.

In short, his words and his plotting all reflect his ability to observe and comment on human nature, and that's what makes him so compelling. A lot of his plots were stolen from the Greeks, but he made them better by taking out the Deux et Machina of the Gods and putting regular human failing in their place.

As for your quote.? Heck yes. You never forget somebody who touched you, for better or worse. The people you forget are the people who left no impression whatsoever. Personally, I loved. She left. I'll never forget her, and there is still a place in my heart. Such is life!

GP

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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 4:15:38 AM   
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“Love me or hate me, both are in my favor…If you love me, I'll always be in your heart…If you hate me, I'll always be in your mind.” - William Shakespear

I don't know who "William Shakespear" is, but I'm pretty sure that William Shakespeare never said that.

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K.

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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 4:22:02 AM   
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"The spelling of William Shakespeare's name has varied over time. It was not consistently spelled any single way during his lifetime, in manuscript or in printed form. After his death the name was spelled variously by editors of his work and the spelling was not fixed until well into the 20th century.

The standard spelling of the surname as "Shakespeare" was the most common published form in Shakespeare's lifetime, but it was not one used in his own handwritten signatures. It was, however, the spelling used by the author as a printed signature to the dedications of the first editions of his poems Venus and Adonis and The Rape of Lucrece. It is also the spelling used in the First Folio, the definitive collection of his plays published in 1623, after his death."

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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 4:26:27 AM   
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I guess it's a good thing I wasn't posting before the 20th Century.

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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 4:39:51 AM   
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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 5:19:12 AM   
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Yes. It's a very common mistake on CM, posting from the wrong century. We all have to stay on our guard.

Even more common is posting from the wrong planet.

K.

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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 5:23:14 AM   
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Yes. It's a very common mistake on CM, posting from the wrong century. We all have to stay on our guard.

Even more common is posting from the wrong planet.

K.


You shouldn't say things like that, K.  Personally, I've come to feel that many Americans are very human, in their own way.

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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 5:31:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm on the wrong planet!?!?!!! Well hell... that explains soooo much. *nods*


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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 5:32:26 AM   
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I've come to feel that many Americans are very human, in their own way.

How extraordinarily kind of you to say, Peon. Have a banana.

K.

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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 5:35:49 AM   
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I'm on the wrong planet!?!?!!! Well hell... that explains soooo much. *nods*

It sure does. I've felt that way for as long as I can remember.

I think it started when I realized that my crown and robes were missing.

K.



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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 5:41:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I always thought that Malvolio in "Twelfth Night" seemed to be channeled in many modern conservative politicians. He's basically a fool that thinks everyone else is wrong in there thinking and kisses the courts ass to get ahead.

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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 6:42:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I remember a humdinger of an argument on Ask a Mistress some while ago about 'The Taming of the Shrew'.  Some people were struggling to defend the Bard's view of women, I seem to recall.

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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 6:43:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		You seek your pound of flesh, don't you, Peonlock?

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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 7:04:28 AM   
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You seek your pound of flesh, don't you, Peonlock?

Mayhap he doth want his dinger hummed.

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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 7:07:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bloody right.  It's Valentine's Day, and not even so much as a hint of a humming for my dinger.  Sod it, I'm going to go to the bookshop and grope whichever student looks the most like Liz Taylor as Cleopatra.

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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 7:09:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		We doth discern his rude intent; that his jacksie is remarkedly admired by the round of female visage.

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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 7:11:18 AM   
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Ron, when did you get reincarnated, and what was it really like back in the Elizabethan days?

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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 7:15:35 AM   
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Bloody right. It's Valentine's Day, and not even so much as a hint of a humming for my dinger.

I like it when you use American slang. It makes you sound so very... human.

K.

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RE: Why do you think Shakespear was so spot on with eve... - 2/14/2012 7:18:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, I have been a fan of shakey for a long, long time.

My favorites include; all of Mercutio!!!!!

This little bit:

SNUG
Have you the lion's part written? pray you, if it
be, give it me, for I am slow of study.

QUINCE
You may do it extempore, for it is nothing but roaring

Which I ask of brattish pillow princesses who seek a True Master who can handle them....

This:
Marcus Antonius:
And Caesar's spirit, raging for revenge,
With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war,
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial.

A favorite:

Glendower:
I can call spirits from the vasty deep.

Hotspur:
Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them?


And a few others.



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