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"a true master" - 10/25/2004 8:03:55 PM

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The following was in a profile i read today. I think it is very well stated but would like others' opinions. He did give me permission to post this.

"This is my idea of being a true master...

A Man who displays sensitivity will be a Master who is sensitive to you.

A Man who displays humility will be a Master who will show you respect.

A Man who is not afraid to cry will be a Master who understands your tears.

A Man who is quiet will be a Master who will hear your quietest whisper,

A Man who knows fear will be a Master who will not leave you to face yours alone.

A Man who will listen to a child will be a Master who will always work to understand your words.

A Man who can stand alone will be a Master who will not crush you under His weight.

A Man who controls Himself with ease will be a Master with the ability to control you in the same way.

A Man who does not have to prove His point will be a Master with many worthwhile points to share.

A Man who never makes demands will be a Master who treasures anything you give.

A Man who doesn't run after you will be a Master you will never need to run away from.

A Man who is calm will be a Master who can weather your storms.

A Man who has walked the path to peace will be a Master able to guide you along that path.

A Man who does not shout will be a Master who will never deafen you.

A Man who knows Himself will be a Master who will have time to know you.

A Man with an open mind will be a Master who never stops learning.

A Man who never stops learning will be a Master who never stops growing.

A Man who always seeks to be the best He can be for you is the only Man truly worthy of being called Master."

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RE: "a true master" - 10/25/2004 8:29:30 PM

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Something about this list bother's me. Cannot put my finger on exactly what it is at the moment. When I realize what it is I'll let you know.

On the surface it sounds nice. There is something there though.

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RE: "a true master" - 10/25/2004 8:56:44 PM

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I'm with Gloria. First, it starts off with the term "true master", which just seems goofy to me. Then it all sounds ok . . . maybe too perfect though. Perhqps if he had added one more that says:

"A Man who is not afraid to admit he is flawed will be a Master you can trust and reveal your self too"

it might seem really genuine to me.

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RE: "a true master" - 10/25/2004 9:15:43 PM

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Something about it made me feel like I was forgetting something. After several minutes, I remembered. I'd seen a list like that on another user's profile a couple of months ago. That profile says:

"Do You fit the following...

True Master...

A Man who displays sensitivity will be a Master who is sensitive to you.

A Man who displays humility will be a Master who will show you respect.

A Man who is not afraid to cry will be a Master who understands your tears.

A Man who is quiet will be a Master who will hear your quietest whisper,

A Man who knows fear will be a Master who will not leave you to face yours alone.

A Man who will listen to a child will be a Master who will always work to understand your words.

A Man who can stand alone will be a Master who will not crush you under His weight.

A Man who controls Himself with ease will be a Master with the ability to control you in the same way.

A Man who does not have to prove His point will be a Master with many worthwhile points to share.

A Man who never makes demands will be a Master who treasures anything you give.

A Man who doesn't run after you will be a Master you will never need to run away from.

A Man who is calm will be a Master who can weather your storms.

A Man who has walked the path to peace will be a Master able to guide you along that path.

A Man who does not shout will be a Master who will never deafen you.

A Man who knows Himself will be a Master who will have time to know you.

A Man with an open mind will be a Master who never stops learning.

A Man who never stops learning will be a Master who never stops growing.

A Man who always seeks to be the best He can be for you is the only Man truly worthy of being called Master.

The author could not be located by me... if yuo know who wrote this, please email me, its wonderful!"

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RE: "a true master" - 10/25/2004 9:16:04 PM

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Yes, i agree, that was what was missing.

Thank you for adding it.

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RE: "a true master" - 10/25/2004 9:25:49 PM

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well hot dang........that almost sounds like the description this slave told her Master that He was like with her..... :) although that is what she looked for in a Master and dang she's glad she has Him cause without Him she's a mere shell of a slave :D

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RE: "a true master" - 10/25/2004 9:44:24 PM

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quote:

I'd seen a list like that on another user's profile a couple of months ago.

I guess they both got it from the same source then, but i still like it. However, can anyone really be that good? Sounds pretty ideal to me.

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RE: "a true master" - 10/26/2004 4:33:02 AM

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Did He actually say He was all these things?

Maybe He knows what a True Master is but is still working on it Himself -- no one is perfect and i don't think No Man is a perfect Master. We all are human and make mistakes...

i mean i can write a list of a "True Submissive" and i have a lot of the qualities *grins* but there are things i need to work on (Yes, even i am not perfect *LOL*)

Now if He thinks He is all these things I would have to wonder how honest He is with Himself and how Honest He is being with me…

But yes, it is nice *smiles* and if you find someone who is all these things and is tall, handsome and lives close to me e-mail me there ID please! i love Big arms also -- that’s a plus!

JMO

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RE: "a true master" - 10/26/2004 6:06:14 AM

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quote:

Maybe He knows what a True Master is but is still working on it Himself -- no one is perfect and i don't think No Man is a perfect Master. We all are human and make mistakes...

No one can be ever be greater than their vision..............

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RE: "a true master" - 10/26/2004 6:42:30 AM

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It's a fine list, and I agree with jenn, it sounds like someone's list of their aspirations. To become something, it can be useful first to model a set of behaviors. If you behave like it, you will become it in time. It just takes a while for you to believe what you are doing.

In my opinion, it falls apart right here:

quote:

A Man who always seeks to be the best He can be for you is the only Man truly worthy of being called Master.

A man should seek to be a good man in his own eyes, for the sake of being a good man. That is freedom. He ought to be what he is, or become what he aspires to be, on his own account, not for the sake of a slave, regardless of how highly he might value the slave. If one is talking about a dominant boyfriend/husband and submissive girlfriend/wife relationship, then this tenant might be fine, but this list tries to define "Master", so I assume that the context is owner and owned.

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RE: "a true master" - 10/26/2004 9:40:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leonidas

In my opinion, it falls apart right here:

quote:

A Man who always seeks to be the best He can be for you is the only Man truly worthy of being called Master.

I agree with Leonidas. And have modified my profile to read...

A Man who always seeks to be the best he can be, is the only Man truly worthy of being called Master.

Nobody can live up to this list 100% of the time. But it is what I strive for, and I do a pretty good job of it. As has been noted above, it's an ideal.

To answer a couple objections... The term "True Master" is used here to differentiate from players, fakes and wannabe's. Those who haven't yet achieved mastery of themselves shouldn't be trusted to master others. I found the original list on a website years ago, but like the other profile cited, I don't know the original author. Whoever they are, I am in their debt for the depth of their thought.

John Galt

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RE: "a true master" - 10/26/2004 11:53:32 AM

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It almost sounds like the poem IF. (by Rudyard Kipling, maybe? been so long since i was in school that i've forgotten 99% of what i learned)

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RE: "a true master" - 10/26/2004 12:13:12 PM

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quote:

I found the original list on a website years ago, but like the other profile cited, I don't know the original author. Whoever they are, I am in their debt for the depth of their thought.

It is very good *smiles*

Any chance of You moving to GA?

seems all the profiles i like are to far away!

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RE: "a true master" - 10/26/2004 1:27:18 PM

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I love this forum! I agree with subbJenn. I' ve read other lists that state what a Master or a D/s Master/Slave relationship should be before on other net webpages - but I liked this one and printed it out and saved it - (for myself, not my Dom - I am a bit of a packrat).
I just thought I might use it sometime (thanks for bringing it up).

As for comments:To me, for myself, it's a reminder to encourage and be hopeful in general of "what might be" (I operate on the "If you build it they will come, it will happen, it will work" theory in regard to aspirations between my aspiring Dom (my hubby, whose name I have deemed "Ernesto" (he calls me "SubSoooozie"). Every day is different, and I am learning so much on these boards.

And I I know many of these traits listed, depending on the context, are personality traits he exhibits already - and I am lucky, because I like them: He is #4 (quiet - fine with me, he does talk to me, but is not a big "small-talker" with some others), and he is #5 already know that he is not a coward. He does #6 welland does #7 at work a lot. For me to figure out how we do #8 together requires more thought. As for #9, I think this depends on how strongly one expects a Dom to "take the lead" (and where). Calm - he is so very calm. I really really appreciate that (big fan of calm). He has worked his own "road to peace" and faced his own hurdles and challenges (a divorce, and a few other major life hurdles - and I think he grrew a lot from them. He definitely has an open mind - very tolerant and willing to listen to others w/out judging (which isn't the same as having no opinion, but he really knows when to voice it, and I admire that. Sometimes he does voice it and isn't heard (at work perhpas,, on occasion, or w/his ex) and then it is frustrating, which it would be for anyone. He is not an "angry person" and pretty self-possessed, I think. I can apply parts of this list to him but I know he isn't perfect (and he knows I am not either). I liked it I think it just "struck me" and I needed it right now). - susannah

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RE: "a true master" - 10/26/2004 1:49:49 PM

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When seeking this existential "One" whom many talk about, it is good, I find, to reflect upon the idealised version first, and then from that perfect cloth cut a more human figure as experience allows. If, after all, you seek One who is to be everything to you, you had best be absolutely certian what everything means before you go searching.

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RE: "a true master" - 10/26/2004 2:57:59 PM

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It seems to me that you could be all those things on the list and still not be a good Master. Or you could be only some of the things on the list and be a good Master. Or if you were none of the things on the list, you could be a bad Master. I guess that is the problem with lists.

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RE: "a true master" - 10/26/2004 3:06:10 PM

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I know, I know....it's all relative! - susannah

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RE: "a true master" - 10/26/2004 3:08:53 PM

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That is so true (and I love your signature quote)! - susannah

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RE: "a true master" - 10/26/2004 5:31:06 PM

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quote:

Nobody can live up to this list 100% of the time. But it is what I strive for, and I do a pretty good job of it. As has been noted above, it's an ideal.

Welcome to the boards John. Thank you for letting me start this discussion.

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RE: "a true master" - 10/26/2004 5:35:28 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: susannah

That is so true (and I love your signature quote)! - susannah

Thank you (assuming you were addressing me, and my unflaggable ego demands that it must have been me to whom the compliment was addressed). The quote changes every few weeks as mood and whimsey dictates, but I find that Bohr is a gold mine of useful witicism, though I think I may move on to Nietzsche next.

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