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Burka or Burqa - 2/20/2012 5:59:06 AM

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I am developing ideas about the use of a Burka or Burqa.

Made from black leather and covering a semi naked body beneath with full iron or leather cuffs and chains beneath probably with plugs and harnesses etc.

I know the religious lot might get well upset but it is more about wearing the kink and extreme stuff whilst out in public yet not letting anyone see whats underneath.

Some dangers I recognise would be the religious lot getting bent out of shape etc. But I figure a burka worn in middle class suburbia would create pity and feeling is sorrow for the individual wearing it. Until of course they get close enough to realise it is made from leather.

Anyone done similar or tried this stuff out? Good or bad I am interested in ideas.

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/20/2012 8:25:43 AM

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I must be missing something here. What is the difference between what you propose and wearing cuffs and plugs under a nice poncho that will not attract attention? Is it the attention from strangers that you seek or the kink of wearing bondage stuff under clothing? If it's the kink of wearing bondage stuff in public, then skip the leather burka.

To answer one of your questions, no, you would not be the only person who has worn bondage gear under clothing in public. It's really rather common.

If it's the attention from strangers you seek then most anything that is out of the ordinary will do as in goth, hippie, etc type clothing.

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/20/2012 8:42:13 AM

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I'm thinking the religious piece is the focus, peppermint. There are folks who love that stuff (not me... of course not me... oh no.) Is that a crucifix in your pocket, padre, or are you happy to see me?

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/20/2012 10:58:26 AM

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He's says it's not about religion. However, he thinks making fun of a culture or religion might be fun. Of course, he never asked if those people at the mall or wherever want to be involved with his kink so he is doing it without their consent.

He will probably never have the money to have a custom leather burka made anyway. So it will all remain a fantasy. By the time he has the money he should have more maturity, more common sense, and more respect for others.

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/20/2012 11:32:34 AM

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Hey peppermint,
An interesting topic, eh?

For me, I'm not sure how this is disrespectful. People all over wear all kinds of things that others find offensive. Flags, religious iconography, Chinese characters, etc. Heck, when I walk down the streets of US suburbia, I am offended by seeing some fool's unnerpants. In Asia I'm blown away by the absolutely miniscule skirts the women wear. I honestly thought all the women were prostitutes here when I first arrived! They on the other hand are equally dismayed by the amount of cleavage that I show. I also wear what people would consider sacrilegious necklaces and earrings because I love that stuff... I love to enjoy religion, making it more everyday-mundane than holy. I see a lot of people wearing homophobic t-shirts or things with offensive team names (Redskins, anyone?)... I often think that what we choose to consider holy versus everyday is a part of personal identity. (I am not sure I'm really explaining this well, but it makes sense in my head).

I know the OP says it's not about religion, but the only thing mentioned twice is the religious "lot" which may be a clue as to the focus.

I'm not sure that a leather burka is exactly disrespectful. Heck, I *HAVE* a burka (they are hot - as in sweaty hot not sexy hot - to me anyway). It's just a long dress and a hat and a mask unless you ascribe some sort of sentiment to it. I imagine the weight of one made out of leather would be stifling frankly. So, in that way I'm with you about it being a fantasy. Certainly a lot of men (particularly ones who are around burkas all the time) would find this a pretty steamy idea I think.

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/20/2012 11:41:06 AM

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quote:

I am not sure I'm really explaining this well, but it makes sense in my head.

I think you explained yourself, perfectly, sunshine. And I think I agree with you on this one. It doesn't seem, at least to me, that the OP is interested in a leather burka for the sole sake of offending religious persons. He just recognizes that in spite of his intentions (to have a little kinky fun), religious persons on the forums might take offense to his fantasy, just because it involves a piece of religious clothing. I actually think burkas are a little sexy. I mean, in attempting to de-sex women, they kind of turn her goods into forbidden fruit, if you know what I mean? And with all the room under there, you can probably get away with much more drastic bondage than you could in a poncho or baggy pants.

I agree, a custom leather burka is probably crazy expensive, but the idea is not all that offensive. As long as precautions are taken to make sure that the public doesn't know what is going on, and thus do not have the OP's kink imposed on them...well, no harm and no foul.

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/20/2012 12:06:42 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: nastybstd

I am developing ideas about the use of a Burka or Burqa.

Made from black leather and covering a semi naked body beneath with full iron or leather cuffs and chains beneath probably with plugs and harnesses etc.

I know the religious lot might get well upset but it is more about wearing the kink and extreme stuff whilst out in public yet not letting anyone see whats underneath.

Some dangers I recognise would be the religious lot getting bent out of shape etc. But I figure a burka worn in middle class suburbia would create pity and feeling is sorrow for the individual wearing it. Until of course they get close enough to realise it is made from leather.

Anyone done similar or tried this stuff out? Good or bad I am interested in ideas.

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/20/2012 5:07:50 PM

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People dress as pregnant nuns for Hallowe'en. I think, as a society, we are past thinking dress up is offensive per se.

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/21/2012 1:11:38 AM

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Thanks for the replies.

Couple of points.

The Burka was actually going to be worn by a female sub. Apparently the burka adds an element of public humiliation not available whilst wearing other clothes.

Yes I accept bondage can and is worn under regular clothes. But in these instances you either hide it completely or show what it is so other will know you are into kink. I think the burka aspect means it keeps people in the dark as to what is underneath.
In short. If people see kink stuff they are disgusted with your pervery. If people see a burka they feel pity. Well in middle class areas anyway.

DaddySatyr. That is a funny picture!

The cheap jibes about money and being able to affor one is simply laughable. You just dont have a clue!

The reality is this idea was bought to me by a sub I play with on occasion. She has recognised the responce it gets from regular folk. Apparently it varies, pity from middle class women to hatred from the rather less tolerant amoung us. I suspect if I were to walk beside her whilst wearing this I would also receive some out of the ordinary looks etc.

I was merely asking if anyone had experienced wearing this type of thing?

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/21/2012 1:27:29 AM

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I've done Burqa and Catholic Nun play on private property with like minded people, without problems. I've even done haraam fun with some Muslim women on holiday. But misusing costumes in public, you'll have problems because they're symbolic costumes. They're like flags, both simple cloth, and markers of complex beliefs at the same time.

And sticking your dick into the religion of random passersby, in public, will eventually statistically result in you "sticking your dick in crazy", in public. Google reckons Bedfordshire has tension

It's like dressing your recently flogged and fucked adult woman as a latex catholic school girl, on a leash. In private it's a one thing. But on the pavement, outside a catholic school, in the middle of a bunch of nonce hating parents who have a range of protectiveness, it's what the plod call a "Sir, please fuck off home or I'll do you for a breach of the peace" thing

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/21/2012 2:12:48 AM

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Ref sexythought.

I think the whole point is the wearing of extreme kink underneath a covering which itself creates a vibe. Doing it in private might as well be doing it naked.
To sum wearing kink and a burka up. Being naughty in public without them knowing you are naughty with added bonus of the pity factor.

I wonder if responces would be different if the burka was a standard issue light blue or black?

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/21/2012 11:20:54 AM

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My analogy still stands. Muslim men (and in theory women) have an obligation to protect the honor of their women who are officially helpless little flowers (in practise less so). And they can get really funny about their virgin women marrying into other religions.

Using a vanilla Burqa instead of leather one, is like dressing your woman in an ordinary catholic school girls uniform rather than a latex one. If you try a public display of affection, wearing Haraam clothes, with a Woman who looks traditional Muslim, you risk some have-a-go hero telling you to leave their women alone or else. Or some busybody woman giving her a tongue lashing for being free with her favors.

If you want to pull it off, you'll have to do the equivalent of dressing like a catholic priest and dress muslim. And which point all your harassment from Muslims will now switch over to coming from BNP booty boys, because you've now picked a side in a religious dispute. And muslims will start asking you which flavor of muslim you are, i.e sunni/shia = catholic/protestant

It's not the cloth, it's the symbolism involved. A long, loose vanilla dress, steampunk crinoline, overcoat, motorcycle leathers, or even an actual gimp suit will get you less grief than sticking your dick, in someones religion, in public.
In private Muslims get up to the same kinky stuff the equally repressed Victorian British did, but also like Victorians, their public persona in a foreign land ranges from a laid back, alcohol drinking "going native" to an extra uptight "more British than the British".

And just to balance out the god given intolerance, here's the Top Gear UK team, getting chased out of Alabama

http://lifeinmotion.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/top-gear-in-america/

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/21/2012 1:04:50 PM

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My analogy still stands. Muslim men (and in theory women) have an obligation to protect the honor of their women who are officially helpless little flowers (in practise less so). And they can get really funny about their virgin women marrying into other religions.

Using a vanilla Burqa instead of leather one, is like dressing your woman in an ordinary catholic school girls uniform rather than a latex one. If you try a public display of affection, wearing Haraam clothes, with a Woman who looks traditional Muslim, you risk some have-a-go hero telling you to leave their women alone or else. Or some busybody woman giving her a tongue lashing for being free with her favors.

If you want to pull it off, you'll have to do the equivalent of dressing like a catholic priest and dress muslim. And which point all your harassment from Muslims will now switch over to coming from BNP booty boys, because you've now picked a side in a religious dispute. And muslims will start asking you which flavor of muslim you are, i.e sunni/shia = catholic/protestant

It's not the cloth, it's the symbolism involved. A long, loose vanilla dress, steampunk crinoline, overcoat, motorcycle leathers, or even an actual gimp suit will get you less grief than sticking your dick, in someones religion, in public.
In private Muslims get up to the same kinky stuff the equally repressed Victorian British did, but also like Victorians, their public persona in a foreign land ranges from a laid back, alcohol drinking "going native" to an extra uptight "more British than the British".

And just to balance out the god given intolerance, here's the Top Gear UK team, getting chased out of Alabama
http://lifeinmotion.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/top-gear-in-america/

Ok, I had understood the OP to mean just walking around in public with the burka on. If the OP means anything more than this - i.e., engaging in activities beyond simply the wearing of the burka that might be construed in a negative way, I think I would have to agree with the above. I would be wary of engaging in activity that people might construe as anti-Muslim, or even anti-woman or violent or sexual in some way that is not appropriate for a public space. I will give the same advice to people that I give about public play generally. If you mean by public play that you are literally out in a public area, particularly one that includes families and children, then you need to think carefully about what you are doing. Just as I would not engage in a lewd sexual act in a public space where I though families might be present, I think people in the course of their regular lives, have the expectation to not have BDSM, or religious based play, or whatever, thrust under their noses without their consent. (If this is public play in private space that is a different thing entirely.)

If all you are talking about is walking around, that is probably fine. But be cautious about doing anything that could be misconstrued. I'm not sure that the police will take too kindly to public acts that are lewd or offensive in some way if people call the police to complain. And then you will have to explain yourself more than you probably really want to. And if you think some of us are overreacting, perhaps you need to read this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/15/bound-naked-role-play_n_1278598.html

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/21/2012 4:06:06 PM

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Not sure where I have give the impression anything would be shown regarding affection or kink publicly.

The whole point is, the extreme kink is under cover, hidden from eyes.

The only interaction with the outside world was to know others feel pity for her. She finds that thought humiliating.

The leather burka might indeed be a step too far. The idea of being black leather was that it wouldnt stand out unless you were very close.

I think its still a goer at the moment.

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/22/2012 12:36:31 AM

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You're assuming pity will be the only reaction?

You think a black leather anything will blend in and not be noticed until it's very close?

It's like Blackface.

Do a couple of vanilla dry runs to try it and see, I suppose.

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/22/2012 2:38:29 AM

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Where did he say anything in his motive was about making fun of another religion? A lot of people have religion play as a fetish, and it's not about making fun of the religion.

And even if he was, so what, as long as he's not going around announcing I am dressing/ acting like this to make fun of your religion.

And personally and I am ok to be flamed for this, but I think way to many people cry what about the vanilla's consent to some pretty innocent stuff. Like wearing a Burka with fet gear under it. It's not really going to be noticeable probably, and other than the Burka being leather, they're not going to be like lifting up the berka and showing off the fet wear, so why should someone be concerned what Joe public consented to or not, when it's something that, Joe public isn't even ever likely gonna be aware of what's going on.

For example, lets say dressing professional gives me sexual jollies, and makes my engine rev and it was kept appropriate and i d id nothing but dress professional. , Why should I care if getting my kink on by dressing professionally in public, would bother the general public. or the general public doesn't consent.

Op, I would not feel sorry for someone wearing a burka or think anything of it, after an initial glance.

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He's says it's not about religion. However, he thinks making fun of a culture or religion might be fun. Of course, he never asked if those people at the mall or wherever want to be involved with his kink so he is doing it without their consent.

He will probably never have the money to have a custom leather burka made anyway. So it will all remain a fantasy. By the time he has the money he should have more maturity, more common sense, and more respect for others.

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be fun. Of course, he never asked if those people at the mall or wherever want to be involved with his kink so he is doing it without their consent.

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/23/2012 8:41:51 AM

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Where did he say anything in his motive was about making fun of another religion? A lot of people have religion play as a fetish, and it's not about making fun of the religion.

People that have religion play as a fetish aren't doing it because they want a reaction of derision or pity from the vanilla public.

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But I figure a burka worn in middle class suburbia would create pity and feeling is sorrow for the individual wearing it.

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ORIGINAL: nastybstd
Apparently the burka adds an element of public humiliation not available whilst wearing other clothes. <snip>

If people see a burka they feel pity. Well in middle class areas anyway.<snip>

The reality is this idea was bought to me by a sub I play with on occasion. She has recognised the responce it gets from regular folk. Apparently it varies, pity from middle class women to hatred from the rather less tolerant amoung us.

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/25/2012 10:52:01 AM

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I'm leery of public play in any form just because it isn'tconsensual. Attempting to elicit a response from others who are not knowing and active participants in your play just doesn't seem ethical to me.

It also is not safe simply because the non-consenting individuals are not aware that it is play, thus their reactions to the play are an unknown and uncontrollable factor. You could get anything from disdain to outright violence towards yourself or your sub as a result.

Its the worst sort of edge play. Maybe it is just the Dom in me talking here, but there should always be someone in control of a scene. You take your kink out into public and you lose that control. So for your owns safety and that of the one who has put her trust in you I would urge you to not do this with folks who are unaware.

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/25/2012 1:11:50 PM

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My concern would be that if you are together in public, if you were even just holding hands, and you do not look like an Arabic Muslim, there could be trouble, regardless of fetgear or bondagegear under the burqa. IF a Muslim woman was religious enough to choose to wear a burqa, she would not be with a man outside of her religion (let alone touching him).

To be seen with her could cause retaliation for her from another Muslim, even to the point of someone choosing to find her and kill her (as a form of honor killing for being perceived to disgrace herself and her family). Yes, even in middle class suburbia.

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RE: Burka or Burqa - 2/26/2012 6:33:52 AM

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The UK Middle class aren't that bad. Unless you've been over there though, you have little idea how repressive the native social order is over there.
First the sight of an immigrant burqa in suburbia will cause a drop in house prices.
Tea will be spat, monocles will drop out and the letters to the DailyMail newspaper will start.
The local feminists will lie in wait for her, asking her if she can drive? how much does he beat you? are you scared to report his rapes in case your family honor kills you?
Then the local muslims will greet their sister with a smile, and call out to her a variant of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As-Salamu_Alaykum , trying to gauge what type of Muslim she is. Which is like asking someone what kind of Christian are you, a terrorist one like Timothy McFay or a less practising one like Bill Clinton.

Being a Muslim in a Christian country, is like being into BDSM in a vanilla society. If you dress up, you will attract attention, some friendly, some unfriendly, some stupid, but mostly indifferent

So having a plan for a group of bored chavs with a brick, an alleyway and an erection or two is one thing. But what's the plan when friendly people knock on your door with tea and biscuits and the desire for conversation?

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