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Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 4/1/2004 6:42:31 AM

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Since this is the off-topic area, I am wondering if there are any fellow Buddhists out there who are in the lifestyle. If so, what is your practice and how do you combine your practice with D/s and/or BDSM if you do?

I see the BDSM lifestyle as a way of staying in the present moment. And as the Buddha taught, the present moment is truly all we have. I also see opportunties for developing wisdom and compassion by being in the lifestyle, which are also the main teachings of the Buddha.

I hope to read the comments of Buddhists and non-Buddhists who would like to share in this discussion.

ZM

RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 4/1/2004 6:53:00 AM

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ZenMaster:

i am not a Buddist, however, i was very interested in Buddism at one time.

i see a corelation between Buddism and the D/s lifestyle; in fact i wrote a poem about the Zen of submission, it's in my journal, next to my profile.

Not sure if this is true or not, because i've not yet experienced it myself, but perhaps "sub space" would be the equivalant of meditation?

i look forward to hearing others thoughts on the matter.

Peace,

~rain~

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 4/1/2004 7:00:10 AM

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quote:

i see a corelation between Buddism and the D/s lifestyle; in fact i wrote a poem about the Zen of submission, it's in my journal, next to my profile.

That's wonderful and I can't wait to read it. I certainly like the title. :-)

To me, it's a very strong correlation because when you are connected with your partner within the lifestyle, you can't be anywhere but in the moment if you are truly following the guidelines (meaning SSC) of BDSM.

It also develops compassion and wisdom for myself because I am able to learn so much from it, especially the discipline which increases my wisdowm and of course developing compassion for my partner's growth.

Thank you for your post.

ZM

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 4/1/2004 7:43:27 AM

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I am.

I'm just a, er, ah, um .... well, I'm a baddd Buddhist.

I simply never do ever chant on a regular basis. And my Gohonzon isn't set up. <shuffle>

But, I think I'm slowly gearing up to do that again. Sorta should. lol

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 4/1/2004 11:35:12 AM

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I am.

I'm just a, er, ah, um .... well, I'm a baddd Buddhist.

I simply never do ever chant on a regular basis. And my Gohonzon isn't set up. <shuffle>

But, I think I'm slowly gearing up to do that again. Sorta should. lol

~ShadeDiva

Don't feel alone. I'm the worse Buddhist I know. LOL

Pleased to meet you. :-)

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 4/1/2004 1:18:42 PM

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Since belonging to the collarme site 3 buddhists have contacted me. So,
since I am not one. I cannot comment for myself. Although I do know they exist.
Right here with us to.

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 4/1/2004 5:43:42 PM

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Not sure if this is true or not, because i've not yet experienced it myself, but perhaps "sub space" would be the equivalant of meditation?

i look forward to hearing others thoughts on the matter.

Peace,

~rain~

rain,

Good comparison here. I can't say that I have personal experience with 'sub space,' at least not in the first person. I have seen it manifest in many people, in many different ways and for many different reasons. I have also experienced periods of "altered states" similar to what I've seen in people who do hit 'sub space.'

I think this particular 'state' is a biochemical thing. Everyone hears about endorphins and most of us know that there are many ways to get them pumping. For some the trigger is humiliation, for others a slow, rhythmic flogging that gradually intensifies, still others get there simply by being of use. I've seen tops go there (and have gone there as a top) as well. These are things that produce one type of endorphin. There are many types of endorphins and they produce different kinds of 'states.'

I've seen people who hit that 'state' by the above mentioned methods and I've seen runners hit it. I've also seen many people create it by meditating, by chanting, by dancing, by drumming, by practicing different kinds of breathing, by doing yoga, tai-chi and other martial arts, tantra, and by working out at the gym.

There are a ton of ways to stimulate the production of seratonin, adrenaline, epinephrine, norepinephrine, dopamine, etc., and while the state for it's own sake is still a very valid experience I've generally found that the process taken to achieve said production is where the real treasures are. The 'state' is just a bit of experiential gravy.

I once walked hand-in-hand with my 10 year old son across hot coals (I still have some of the charcoal from that day - my son is now 24). We spent the day doing things to produce that 'state' and I'm sure that is the reason neither of us suffered even a change of skin tone for the coals. We spent the day in community with others building a fire that would take literally hours and hours to burn down, meditating, chanting, dancing, being with each other. The memory I will take to my grave, of going over those coals with my child and watching him literally dance on the coals with joy as he KNEW that fear was illusion and he could master his own destiny, was the real treasure for me. The endorphin state was an enjoyable experience but it pales to what we achieved in the creation of that state.

To respond to the original question - I don't really identify as a traditional buddhist, but I have studied a fair bit and Tibetan Buddhism (or more properly a new age variant of it) sings to me most.

Namaste'

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 4/1/2004 9:00:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: ZenMaster

Don't feel alone. I'm the worse Buddhist I know. LOL

Pleased to meet you. :-)

Nice to meet you too, lol.

And I think we could most likely tie for the worst buddhist thing.

Truth is though, although I don't chant regularly, if at all - I do continue to apply the basic principles and concepts in general throughout my life.

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 4/3/2004 10:37:51 PM

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I stumbled onto Buddhism while reading Musashi's "Book of Five Rings" and studying Japanese Swordmanship.(Kind of a weapons buff with a weakness for bullwhips,LOL..) I served a Master who led me to Meditation,which I find useful in daily life.

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 4/3/2004 11:04:17 PM

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ZenMaster;

Have you read "The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying" ?

If you haven't read it already, i highly recommend it; it is beautiful and helps me to stay focused. i keep it at work and refer to it often.

~rain~

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 4/4/2004 12:34:52 AM

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M.Zen-

I am most surely the poorest of buddhists here. I had the privilege of studying at the Zen Institute of New Rochelle, under Roshi Phillip Kapleau, from 1978-1980, and at the Diamond Gate in Kyoto in 1986. Sadly, today, I cannot say I have sat in the past three months.

I do, in what way I can, try to bring a sense of fullness to my daily job- it is not a perfect world, and there are no perfect boats, but some times, I manage to turn a screw perfectly.

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 4/4/2004 1:07:24 AM

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but some times, I manage to turn a screw perfectly.

I don't know why, but this part got me to giggling.

I must be in an odd mood. lol

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 4/4/2004 5:56:07 PM

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ZenMaster;

Have you read "The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying" ?

If you haven't read it already, i highly recommend it; it is beautiful and helps me to stay focused. i keep it at work and refer to it often.

~rain~

I have read it and enjoyed it thoroughly. I also recommend Awakening the Buddhist Heart by Lama Surya Das.

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 4/4/2004 5:58:19 PM

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M.Zen-

I am most surely the poorest of buddhists here. I had the privilege of studying at the Zen Institute of New Rochelle, under Roshi Phillip Kapleau, from 1978-1980, and at the Diamond Gate in Kyoto in 1986. Sadly, today, I cannot say I have sat in the past three months.

I do, in what way I can, try to bring a sense of fullness to my daily job- it is not a perfect world, and there are no perfect boats, but some times, I manage to turn a screw perfectly.

Stay Warm,
Lawrence

You were very fortunate to have studied under Roshi Philip Kapleau as I have heard nothing but good things about his contribution to Zen Buddhism.

I also like your mention of perfect screwing. :-)

Be well,
ZM

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 4/9/2004 3:58:23 PM

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I'm not Buddhist. Is this joke OK or offensive to Buddhists?

A Buddhist monk was in the city and getting hungry. He saw a hotdog vendor, gave him $20 and said, "Make me one with everything." (Cymbals crash)

After getting the hot dog he asked about the change. The vendor told him, "The change must come from within." (Trumpet: WAH-WAh-Wah-wah)

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 4/13/2004 8:19:01 AM

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ZM -

Quaker faith and practice - that's my way. Many parallels with Buddhism as noted by many cross-over groups and visits. I was in Sri Lanka a couple of months ago in fact, and noted to myself then: the meditative states of domme, sub and (Quakerish) 'being in the light' are all profound. I think they are different. At the moment, they seem to be different by having many subtle variations from each other. I suspect I'll see them as more unified as I get wiser.

Sorry of this seems mystic. Snatching 5 minutes from another heavy day to reply.

Miss you all, nadine

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 12/15/2006 11:19:09 AM

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I'm curious if any Buddhist in the lifestyle have found Buddha's teachings to be helpful in their BDSM activities and philo, and which ones, how so?

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 12/15/2006 12:08:37 PM

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My last Dom was a Buddhist, or claimed to be. He didn't use it to open himself up more to anything though, he used it as a reason to detach himself from situations and show no emotion. He had all the books, the shrine (prayer table), pretty much the whole she-bang.

While I have had an interest in it for a long time, the way he treated me in the name of Buddhism sort of turned me off from it.

I feel bad about that because I know there are wonderful ones out there that use the teachings for what they are meant. I now have a hard time opening up when someone wants to talk to me about it again.

Kasha

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 12/15/2006 12:29:04 PM

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I enjoy the study of religions although I do not associate with any one religion in particular - they are all beautiful and interesting to me.

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RE: Any Buddhists in the lifestyle? - 12/15/2006 12:33:16 PM

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Not Buddhist, but a Buddhist proverb a sub once quoted me I would like explained by a real Buddhist,
especially how of if applicable to the lifestyle, and also relative to life in general :

"Desire is the root of all suffering"

i thought it was fairly self-explainatory for a while, but the longer I ponder it, the less it seems so.
Thanks for any insight.
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