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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/12/2012 6:11:38 PM   
DrkJourney


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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/12/2012 6:16:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		My grandfather was in Europe during WW II. They didn't have a diagnosis of PTSD back then, so when my grandfather started having troubles he was diagnosed as being retarded and was sent back to his unit after a few days of R & R.


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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/12/2012 6:18:45 PM   
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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/12/2012 7:07:26 PM   
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Shit. It's actually a tribute to the US military that this never happened before (buncha teenagers sent halfway round the world, given weapons, and pushed into a foreign land where they're hated), but the ramifications will be horrible.


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You're right, of course. I meant to say it's the first time it's happened in Afghanistan. That said, it's happened in numerous other places.


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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/12/2012 8:49:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Isn't it pretty clear from the way the military treats its own injured soldiers and casualties that the militaries of the West have contempt for the lives and health of their own soldiers. I won't even begin to speculate where that leaves the fighters and civilians on the other side .....

Whatever militaries of the West are about it's very clear to me that they aren't about those values I consider to be paramount - freedom, democracy, justice, fairness, the right to pursue happiness, social justice human rights.

Militaries justify their existence by their role to protect and defend the country. Why is it then that all the fighting, all the dying, all the horrors occur thousands and thousands of kilometres, oceans and continents away from the area that the military is supposed to be defending?

What is being fought for? What is being 'defended'? Have the armies of the West been turned into the enforcement divisions of the giant corporations that seem to control so much of our lives? Expendable shock troops to secure the interests of the 1% whatever or where ever those interests may be?
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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/13/2012 1:51:42 AM   
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Bad plan then. He'll be tried in uniform, and probably executed in the the one they issue him after that.


Unlikely. The last report I saw on it said he'd received a traumatic brain injury in a previous attack, but was declared "fit for duty."

Funny....the NFL won't even let a quarterback back on the field if they "think" he has a concussion, but the military docs will declare a guy with a traumatic brain injury fit for duty.

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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/13/2012 6:04:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		This guy is a fucking criminal, not a soldier. They need to turn him over to the Afghan justice system.

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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/13/2012 6:06:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's even less likely than the lad getting a trial rather than a medical discharge, sadly.

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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/14/2012 6:16:44 PM   
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This guy is a fucking criminal, not a soldier. They need to turn him over to the Afghan justice system.



If in fact this person is suffering from some sort of ptsd would you still think it appropriate to turn him over to afghan justice system?

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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/14/2012 6:27:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think we can have our own trial and execution just fine.

Court martial can be done before lunch, two appeals at an hour each, and the President can sign the death warrant by fax. His unit could assemble and hang him tonight.

Easy Peasy....

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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/14/2012 9:08:50 PM   
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I think we can have our own trial and execution just fine.

Court martial can be done before lunch, two appeals at an hour each, and the President can sign the death warrant by fax. His unit could assemble and hang him tonight.

Easy Peasy....


I'm not really inclined to execute one of our own who we sent back to a combat zone with a traumatic brain injury, especially when there are "civilians" over there who would and do kill people over a book.

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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/14/2012 9:14:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

I think we can have our own trial and execution just fine.

Court martial can be done before lunch, two appeals at an hour each, and the President can sign the death warrant by fax. His unit could assemble and hang him tonight.

Easy Peasy....



No. He should get in line behind Hasan and Manning.

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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/14/2012 9:21:37 PM   
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I'm not really inclined to execute one of our own who we sent back to a combat zone with a traumatic brain injury, especially when there are "civilians" over there who would and do kill people over a book.



It doesn't matter, Darque. He went out on his own and slaughtered women and kids. If he's competent to stand trial, he needs to be facing the death penalty. The judges may agree with you, and give him life, but death should be on the table.

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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/14/2012 9:25:28 PM   
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I'm not really inclined to execute one of our own who we sent back to a combat zone with a traumatic brain injury, especially when there are "civilians" over there who would and do kill people over a book.



It doesn't matter, Darque. He went out on his own and slaughtered women and kids. If he's competent to stand trial, he needs to be facing the death penalty. The judges may agree with you, and give him life, but death should be on the table.


Well, since it just happened this past weekend and the media is already talking about his traumatic brain injury, I highly doubt he'll face death, if he's found competent at all.

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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/14/2012 9:33:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Darque, his injury is out because of a press release. It's damage control.

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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/14/2012 9:36:28 PM   
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Darque, his injury is out because of a press release. It's damage control.


An injury is an injury whether it's damage control or not. If the medical records back it up, the prosecution will have a hard time.

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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/14/2012 9:45:16 PM   
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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/14/2012 10:13:33 PM   
DarqueMirror


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He hit his head in an auto accident, and went back to work.



Yes, hitting one's head is one of the ways to get a traumatic brain injury.

And the defense attorney's translation of that is: "He received a terrible injury as a result of an auto accident and was cleared for duty, despite the uncertainty of the long term effects the traumatic brain injury would have on him."

As I said in my first post, it's telling that the NFL won't even allow a quarterback back on the field if they think he might have a concussion. But the military clears a guy diagnosed with a traumatic brain injury to return to a combat zone where he's given a weapon and surrounded by people who hate him and try to kill him just because he's American.

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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/14/2012 11:06:30 PM   
TheHeretic


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RE: U.S. Serviceman shoots Afghan civilians - 3/15/2012 12:58:44 AM   
DarqueMirror


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Then let his lawyers make the argument at his court martial.


I'd imagine they plan to. Did I indicate anywhere that wasn't the case? Am I not allowed to have/state a differing opinion or just not one that's different from yours?

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