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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/2/2012 4:33:28 PM   
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Looks like a few gashes to me.



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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/2/2012 4:44:50 PM   
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Doesnt look like it to me, maybe a little abrasion (rug burn) on the right parietal-occipital line (cops could have done that).  But that is the max of it.  I guess the lawyer has got some real clear pictures of the gashing and bleeding from having his head bounced up and down on the sidewalk, (yanno, where it would be caved in like a rotten cabbage) but is saving it as a national treasure. It could also be digital artifact from zooming an already poor quality video.

And if we cannot (as some suggest) believe the timestamp, we cant believe that the video hasnt been retouched.  Occams razor and whatnot. 

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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/2/2012 4:49:26 PM   
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You asked for pictures and there they are. I know he thought ahead...he had to make up an excuse to kill the boy in cold blood so he laid on the sidewalk and banged his head a few times against the concrete...not too hard...just the exact amount to fool the dumb assed cops...bwahh ha ha. Either that are the guy is a pussy and should have taken more of a beating before he defended himself.

It is weird though how everything he says seems to come true...must be the cops planting evidence I’ll bet.

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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/2/2012 5:32:02 PM   
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Yup, the only way there could have been that little damage after the kid slammed his head into the sidewalk repeatedly.

There is no proof there of any damage, or whether or not the cops did that taking him down.  

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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/2/2012 6:43:56 PM   
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Looks like a few gashes to me.



http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-video-shows-injury-back-head-161816389--abc-news-topstories.html

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I've looked at that vid numerous times. The only place where you can enhance anything to look like gashes is at that one point which lass less than 2 seconds. If you look at the rest of the raw vid, there are 5 instances where you have a good view of the same spot. In all of them, it's smooth as a baby's butt.

I'm guessing shadow that got enhanced.

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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/2/2012 6:49:51 PM   
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if you mean the crease in the back center of his forehad, put your fingers on the rear neck muscles both sides of your spine and continuing half way up the back of your skull apart like playing the saxaphone. turn your head, feel the way the muscles move when you do that, at most thats where the crease comes from, it aint a bloody gash by any stretch.   

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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/2/2012 7:31:39 PM   
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You asked for pictures and there they are. I know he thought ahead...he had to make up an excuse to kill the boy in cold blood so he laid on the sidewalk and banged his head a few times against the concrete...not too hard...just the exact amount to fool the dumb assed cops...bwahh ha ha. Either that are the guy is a pussy and should have taken more of a beating before he defended himself.

It is weird though how everything he says seems to come true...must be the cops planting evidence I’ll bet.

Butch


You know, slipping and falling while chasing after someone you have no legal authority to detain ALSO explains Zimmerman's injuries.

Of course, the thing which really makes Zimmerman out to be a liar is that these 'life threatening injuries' you're talking about were so trivial they didn't even send him to the ER for a head x-ray or stitches.

No ER visit. No stitches. No "Great Bodily Harm". No reason to kill Martin.

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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/2/2012 7:44:53 PM   
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You asked for pictures and there they are. I know he thought ahead...he had to make up an excuse to kill the boy in cold blood so he laid on the sidewalk and banged his head a few times against the concrete...not too hard...just the exact amount to fool the dumb assed cops...bwahh ha ha. Either that are the guy is a pussy and should have taken more of a beating before he defended himself.

It is weird though how everything he says seems to come true...must be the cops planting evidence I’ll bet.

Butch


You know, slipping and falling while chasing after someone you have no legal authority to detain ALSO explains Zimmerman's injuries.

Of course, the thing which really makes Zimmerman out to be a liar is that these 'life threatening injuries' you're talking about were so trivial they didn't even send him to the ER for a head x-ray or stitches.

No ER visit. No stitches. No "Great Bodily Harm". No reason to kill Martin.

Fargle. You're saying "No bodily harm, no self defense" that's untrue.

If I'm carrying and someone comes at me with a knife, gun or club or if he's just a huge mean SOB, I will blow his shit away BEFORE he damages my precious carcass and it's self defense.

My point is that A: the story doesn't wash and B: Anyone with a carry permit is taught to not let an assailant close with you and C: he had no damn business pursuing.

ETA, I would also fully expect to be charged with the death and have to deal with the court system.

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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/2/2012 7:51:09 PM   
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If I'm carrying and someone comes at me with a knife, gun or club or if he's just a huge mean SOB, I will blow his shit away BEFORE he damages my precious carcass and it's self defense.


You are correct. Trayvon Martin had the right of self-defense when Zimmerman, armed, chased him at night without legal authority and killed him.

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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/2/2012 8:27:27 PM   
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Trayvon Martin had the right of self-defense when Zimmerman, armed, chased him at night without legal authority and killed him.

I'm not sure I see your point. Do you mean that everything would be different if somebody had "chased him at night with legal authority and killed him," or that everything would be different if somebody had "chased him in the afternoon without legal authority and killed him"?

K.

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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/2/2012 8:43:00 PM   
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Trayvon Martin had the right of self-defense when Zimmerman, armed, chased him at night without legal authority and killed him.

I'm not sure I see your point. Do you mean that everything would be different if somebody had "chased him at night with legal authority and killed him," or that everything would be different if somebody had "chased him in the afternoon without legal authority and killed him"?

K.


Trayvon Martin had the right of self-defense

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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/2/2012 9:01:13 PM   
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Trayvon Martin had the right of self-defense

So what, precisely? Everybody has the right of self-defense in Florida. It doesn't matter who started it. Find another tune.

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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/3/2012 12:25:01 AM   
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If you listen to the report that goes with the new enhanced video, they also say that the initial police report includes a mention of blood on the back of his jacket and near his nose.

Whether these claims are true or not is unclear minus photo/video evidence but, I wonder how come no one has released the mug shots?

Ostensibly, if he had blood on the back of his head and near his nose, we'd see some of it?

I know someone that lives in that area of Florida and for a couple of years, she's been telling me how there's a website that posts all arrest photos from things as "simple" as DUI. It embarrasses the hell out of people who get popped and many are trying to get the website taken down but, it's there.

I understand he wasn't arrested but he was detained (hand cuffs are an absolute sign of being in CUSTODY) and I am quite sure that they took photos of him upon entering the police station (if for no other reason than to insulate themselves against false claims of abuse by the police).



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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/3/2012 1:02:13 AM   
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Zimmerman doesn't have to attack first. Martin's reasonable fear of being stalked at night is sufficient grounds for Martin to do anything necessary to ensure his safety.




Wasn't the legal definition of "stalking," nor was he justified in using "anything necessary" because someone was following him.

Really, fargle, I'm sure you know how to find Florida's Criminal Code to protect yourself from arrest for possession should you go there, but really, if you slow down on the weed, you might have a better grasp of what you read.


You know, when you attack ME, that shows you can't refute my argument. AND I NOTICE, for all the bullshit you talk, YOU NEVER BACK IT UP WITH CITATIONS FROM FL CPL!

So, start putting up, or start shutting up.


First of all, I don't disagree that Zimmerman should (and will) be charged in the death of Trayvon Martin.

However, regardless of your constant need to yell and scream and quote the Florida Criminal Code, it doesn't mean that you understand it.  I don't make a habit of explaining to old pot heads the realities of life, since they rarely are very in touch with reality.

I also don't need to sit down and do a bunch of legal research and provide citations to make such people happy.  Time will certainly show which one of us has made valid, reasonable points and which one of us has ranted and raved like a lunatic.

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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/3/2012 1:23:36 AM   
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If you listen to the report that goes with the new enhanced video, they also say that the initial police report includes a mention of blood on the back of his jacket and near his nose.

Whether these claims are true or not is unclear minus photo/video evidence but, I wonder how come no one has released the mug shots?

Ostensibly, if he had blood on the back of his head and near his nose, we'd see some of it?

I know someone that lives in that area of Florida and for a couple of years, she's been telling me how there's a website that posts all arrest photos from things as "simple" as DUI. It embarrasses the hell out of people who get popped and many are trying to get the website taken down but, it's there.

I understand he wasn't arrested but he was detained (hand cuffs are an absolute sign of being in CUSTODY) and I am quite sure that they took photos of him upon entering the police station (if for no other reason than to insulate themselves against false claims of abuse by the police).



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There are all kinds of ways to look at photos of criminals in Florida.  Yes, Zimmerman was obviously taken into custody, detained and questioned.  Part of the investigations should have included photographs of his injuries, just as proper procedure, having nothing to do with police protecting themselves against claims of abuse.

In a case like this, common sense alone would dictate that the police photograph the injuries to provide a complete picture for the DA who would, as a matter of course, be reviewing the record of the event.

What I don't understand is that since the police's position (at least initially) was that Zimmerman had acted in self defense, and therefore the police had done nothing wrong, someone would have "leaked" any such photos as they existed.  Likewise, Zimmerman himself would have taken photos of his injuries if he thought there might be any question after the fact that he had done something wrong.  It seems neither of these things happened (by what the media has presented so far).

The true sticking point remains that Zimmerman (through his attorney) claimed that his nose was broken, and the gash on his head would have needed stitches had he sought medical attention sooner.  The snap from the video does not show an injury to the back of his head that (within 30 minutes to 4 hours after the event, since we don't for certain know what time the video occurred) would have shown a significant injury.  Further, we have read in the media that he received NO medical attention prior to being brought in by police, and that fire department personnel (which are first responders, not paramedics) "released" Zimmerman.  If the latter is true, they would not have done that if Zimmerman's nose was broken, or the gash on the back of his head was serious enough to require stitches.  Also, as I mentioned before, regardless of the gash on the back of his head, someone who had their head "repeatedly smashed against the pavement" could have had a serious head injury (aka Natasha Richardson) that was not visible.  No first responder fire department personnel or paramedics would have released him.  They would have recommended that he go to the hospital and get a CT scan of his head to be sure there was no serious injury.

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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/3/2012 4:31:24 AM   
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Trayvon Martin had the right of self-defense when Zimmerman, armed, chased him at night without legal authority and killed him.

I'm not sure I see your point. Do you mean that everything would be different if somebody had "chased him at night with legal authority and killed him," or that everything would be different if somebody had "chased him in the afternoon without legal authority and killed him"?

K.



I'm stuck wondering what "legal authority" is necessary for anything we know Zimmerman did before the shooting.


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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/3/2012 4:45:01 AM   
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  I don't make a habit of explaining to old pot heads the realities of life, since they rarely are very in touch with reality.


We get it. Since you can't defend your argument, or counter mine, all you have left is personal attacks, in violation of the TOS.



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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/3/2012 4:47:37 AM   
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Trayvon Martin had the right of self-defense when Zimmerman, armed, chased him at night without legal authority and killed him.

I'm not sure I see your point. Do you mean that everything would be different if somebody had "chased him at night with legal authority and killed him," or that everything would be different if somebody had "chased him in the afternoon without legal authority and killed him"?

K.



I'm stuck wondering what "legal authority" is necessary for anything we know Zimmerman did before the shooting.



Well, why did Zimmerman chase after Trayvon Martin? To detain him for questioning by the Police.

You need legal authority to do that.

What happened when Zimmerman caught up to Martin, asked him to stop, and Trayvon Martin DID NOT OBEY HIS COMMAND?

Well, Zimmerman escalated.

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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/3/2012 6:32:04 AM   
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Well, why did Zimmerman chase after Trayvon Martin? To detain him for questioning by the Police.

You need legal authority to do that.

What happened when Zimmerman caught up to Martin, asked him to stop, and Trayvon Martin DID NOT OBEY HIS COMMAND?

Well, Zimmerman escalated.


And you need facts to support those daydreams.
Pity you don't have them

If you claim you do, please start said claim by proving your contention that Z meant to "detain" Trayvon.
Hell, prove he followed him.....

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RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy ... - 4/3/2012 6:49:08 AM   
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Well, that's a scenario that makes sense. "Wanna-be cop gets in over his head"

You'd have to buy into the CRAZY MARIJUANA SMOKING NEGROS storyline to believe that Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman first.

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