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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/2/2012 8:40:09 PM   
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Is the product an instant invention to cash in on tragedy, or an existing, on the shelf item suddenly getting a surge of free advertising, courtesy of an overwrought media, seeking anything they can find to fan the flames of the outrage du jour?

I'd be interested to know the source of this "news that the nra was selling such an item".

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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/2/2012 9:37:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, according to Kirata, it is not a new item at all. So, I would suppose it is something that is getting a rash of publicity due to an over-zealous media. However, even my son-in-law, who happens to have 3 hand guns and 6 hunting rifles, says the hoodie is a dumb thing for them to sell. And a woman I know who founded Hunt of a Lifetime, an organization that sends kids with life-threatening illnesses on hunting or fishing trips won't even take donations from the NRA because of stuff like the hoodie and the 'stand your ground' laws.


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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/3/2012 1:40:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		But here is the main problem.  Unless one is an undercover police officer, there should be no need to carry a concealed weapon.  I forget the name of the town, and know there are several throughout the country, but a town in Georgia has VERY relaxed gun laws, allowing basically anyone who is not mentally ill or a convicted criminal to carry a handgun.  However, it can NOT be concealed, but rather in a regular old hip holster (or I assume a shoulder strap as long as it isn't under clothing).

What exactly is the purpose of needing to carry a CONCEALED weapon?  I see no legitimate purpose.  This town in Georgia that I am speaking of also has an extremely low rate of crime.  I see nothing wrong with someone feeling a need to own or carry a gun.  If that is how you feel, you should have no reason to want to hide it.

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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/3/2012 4:40:31 AM   
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What exactly is the purpose of needing to carry a CONCEALED weapon?


Private property rights. It's your property. Do with it whatever the fuck you want. It's none of my business.

Look up "Vermont Carry", and then consider that they have one of the lowest crime rates in the country.

Trayvon Martin's not dead because George Zimmerman could legally carry a firearm.

Trayvon Martin is dead because George Zimmerman ILLEGALLY USED his firearm. Either by intent or negligence. Doesn't matter which.



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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/3/2012 5:24:03 AM   
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But here is the main problem.  Unless one is an undercover police officer, there should be no need to carry a concealed weapon.  I forget the name of the town, and know there are several throughout the country, but a town in Georgia has VERY relaxed gun laws, allowing basically anyone who is not mentally ill or a convicted criminal to carry a handgun.  However, it can NOT be concealed, but rather in a regular old hip holster (or I assume a shoulder strap as long as it isn't under clothing).
What exactly is the purpose of needing to carry a CONCEALED weapon?  I see no legitimate purpose.  This town in Georgia that I am speaking of also has an extremely low rate of crime.  I see nothing wrong with someone feeling a need to own or carry a gun.  If that is how you feel, you should have no reason to want to hide it.


If a thug is girding up to rob a bank, wouldn't the first people taken out be those that have guns? If he can see the gun, he knows who to shoot first.

Ohio is an "Open Carry" State, meaning that if you have a legal firearm, you can walk down the middle of the street with it visible. Got two shotguns? Strap 'em crossed behind your back and look the part of the badass. The cops can't stop you for it. I do have a fellow HS alum who is a police officer in Cleveland. He said, while it's legal to open carry, it's the stupidest thing you can do. You'll be the first one taken out. Concealed carry allows the question to pop up as to whether or not the thug is going to meet armed resistance.

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Private property rights. It's your property. Do with it whatever the fuck you want. It's none of my business.
Look up "Vermont Carry", and then consider that they have one of the lowest crime rates in the country.
Trayvon Martin's not dead because George Zimmerman could legally carry a firearm.
Trayvon Martin is dead because George Zimmerman ILLEGALLY USED his firearm. Either by intent or negligence. Doesn't matter which.


Good Lord. We are starting to agree more and more.

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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/3/2012 6:19:13 AM   
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What exactly is the purpose of needing to carry a CONCEALED weapon?


Private property rights. It's your property. Do with it whatever the fuck you want. It's none of my business.

Look up "Vermont Carry", and then consider that they have one of the lowest crime rates in the country.

Trayvon Martin's not dead because George Zimmerman could legally carry a firearm.

Trayvon Martin is dead because George Zimmerman ILLEGALLY USED his firearm. Either by intent or negligence. Doesn't matter which.




While this may have some truth in the particular case, the easy availability of handguns is a national pathology. You have to take a test to get the behind the wheel of a car (which hurts people accidently), but not to own a machine designed to injure or kill. It violates common-sense. Although Vermont is a low crime state (and a beautiful state) that has little to do with the prevelence of guns. It is strange that people are so fearfula nd cowardly they feel this need to carry a firearm. One of the least reported aspects of this story is the fact that people in gated communities actually have a seige mentality and fears of crime out of proportion to the reality (we can give some blame to the media on this as well).

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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/3/2012 6:46:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think you're extrapolating from one wanna-be cop getting in over his head when the 'suspect' he's 'pursuing' doesn't recognize his non-existent authority and disregards his unlawful commands, giving the wanna-be cop few options to ensure compliance.

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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/3/2012 6:55:56 AM   
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If Tray was white I think Zimmerman would have profiled differently.
Quote.
"He is Black, its always the same assholes."
Profiling.
I do that too when I am in the Ghetto's of Holland.

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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/3/2012 11:10:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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What exactly is the purpose of needing to carry a CONCEALED weapon?


Private property rights. It's your property. Do with it whatever the fuck you want. It's none of my business.

Look up "Vermont Carry", and then consider that they have one of the lowest crime rates in the country.

Trayvon Martin's not dead because George Zimmerman could legally carry a firearm.

Trayvon Martin is dead because George Zimmerman ILLEGALLY USED his firearm. Either by intent or negligence. Doesn't matter which.




While this may have some truth in the particular case, the easy availability of handguns is a national pathology. You have to take a test to get the behind the wheel of a car (which hurts people accidently), but not to own a machine designed to injure or kill. It violates common-sense. Although Vermont is a low crime state (and a beautiful state) that has little to do with the prevelence of guns. It is strange that people are so fearfula nd cowardly they feel this need to carry a firearm. One of the least reported aspects of this story is the fact that people in gated communities actually have a seige mentality and fears of crime out of proportion to the reality (we can give some blame to the media on this as well).



Fearful and cowardly ?? What planet are you from ? In many cases it's prudent. If one ever needs a handgun, there is no substitute. In most cases, just like the drivers license, you have to take a class and a test to get a concealed carry permit. If the availability of guns is a national pathology then why isn't it a state pathology in Vermont ? I'll tell ya what violates common sense, the notion that if it was difficult for a law abiding citizen to get a handgun, then it would be difficult for thugs, killers, rapists, bank robbers, drug dealers, gangs and all the rest of societies trash to to get them too.

You also state as a fact that people in gated communities have a siege mentality. That may be true with a few of them, I don't know, but to paint them all with a wide brush like that is total BS.

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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/3/2012 11:13:51 AM   
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But here is the main problem.  Unless one is an undercover police officer, there should be no need to carry a concealed weapon. 

That depends on where you are working and at what time of day.

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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/3/2012 11:37:58 AM   
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Well its debatable init?
If Tray was white I think Zimmerman would have profiled differently.
Quote.
"He is Black, its always the same assholes."
Profiling.
I do that too when I am in the Ghetto's of Holland.


If you listen to the unedited 911 tapes, you'll hear dispatch ask him if the suspect is white, hispanic or black.

http://phoebe53.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/zimmerman-911-call-transcript-trayvon-martin/

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-grio/46771333/#46771333

It's almost a full minute between "He looks black" and "These assholes. They always get away."



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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/3/2012 11:49:32 AM   
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While this may have some truth in the particular case, the easy availability of handguns is a national pathology. You have to take a test to get the behind the wheel of a car (which hurts people accidently), but not to own a machine designed to injure or kill. It violates common-sense. Although Vermont is a low crime state (and a beautiful state) that has little to do with the prevelence of guns. It is strange that people are so fearfula nd cowardly they feel this need to carry a firearm. One of the least reported aspects of this story is the fact that people in gated communities actually have a seige mentality and fears of crime out of proportion to the reality (we can give some blame to the media on this as well).

Pathology... fearful and cowardly... well, let's see.

Your post states (and I quote): "Although Vermont is a low crime state (and a beautiful state) that has little to do with the prevelence of guns." Precisely. International studies have shown that some countries with high rates of gun ownership have low rates of violent crime, while other countries with low rates of gun ownership have high rates of violent crime. There is no correlation; except, uniquely, in the United States, where there is impressive evidence that higher rates of gun ownership result in less crime.

The causes of crime are cultural and economic. If you want to talk about pathology and cowardice, allow me to inform you that there is nothing even remotely sane or courageous about depriving citizens of an effective means of self-defense against the depredations of violent criminals. If you gave a damn about violent crime, you'd be addressing its causes intead of trying to pass off your pathological fear of guns as "common sense" and demonzing everybody who disagrees with you as a sick coward.

K.

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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/3/2012 11:57:22 AM   
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However, even my son-in-law, who happens to have 3 hand guns and 6 hunting rifles, says the hoodie is a dumb thing for them to sell.



Wasn't aware they sold them. Now I've ordered one

Thanks for the heads up.



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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/3/2012 12:16:34 PM   
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I notice NBC is taking a bit of flak, now. It seems the Today show felt the story would be easier for their audience to understand clearly if they edited the tape of a 911 call to have Zimmerman say, "he looks suspicious, he looks black," without the 911 dispatcher asking for a description in between the statements.

I'm sure it was agonizing decision for the producers, and made only because of the time constraints of their broadcast schedule...


This. This is the Big Story. This is a fact. NBC edited the 911 call to make Zimmerman say something he never said. Fact. I love facts, don't you? Nothing in this thread is more important than this tidbit. This typifies the mainstream medias lack of concern for truth and frankly many of the people who follow their and MSNBCs lead and of course support the Most Reverend Al Sharpton and Love Child Jackson.

If that NBC nonesense and many of the posts here were'nt about a man's life they would be comical. Instead, they are simply more support for the theory that most of the negative discussion about Zimmerman is completely based on conjecture, fantasy or downright lies.

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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/3/2012 12:38:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I notice NBC is taking a bit of flak, now. It seems the Today show felt the story would be easier for their audience to understand clearly if they edited the tape of a 911 call to have Zimmerman say, "he looks suspicious, he looks black," without the 911 dispatcher asking for a description in between the statements.

I'm sure it was agonizing decision for the producers, and made only because of the time constraints of their broadcast schedule...


This. This is the Big Story. This is a fact. NBC edited the 911 call to make Zimmerman say something he never said. Fact. I love facts, don't you? Nothing in this thread is more important than this tidbit. This typifies the mainstream medias lack of concern for truth and frankly many of the people who follow their and MSNBCs lead and of course support the Most Reverend Al Sharpton and Love Child Jackson.

If that NBC nonesense and many of the posts here were'nt about a man's life they would be comical. Instead, they are simply more support for the theory that most of the negative discussion about Zimmerman is completely based on conjecture, fantasy or downright lies.

The big story is that a news outlet edited an audio tape? Maybe you missed the killing of a young man with no consequences for the killer?

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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/3/2012 1:46:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		And that the entire 9-1-1 tapes were on Youtube for like a day before NBC's show? (h/t Orlando Sentinel)

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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/3/2012 9:47:49 PM   
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Umm.. yeah.. these two quotes should pretty much speak for themselves...




And you ignoring statistical fact because it negates your ability to play the race card speaks for itself too.

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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/4/2012 4:10:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		And this is irrelevant. The statement which will be used at the sentencing phase is "These assholes always get away", which shows that Zimmerman WAS NOT GOING TO LET TRAYVON MARTIN GET AWAY.

And he sure stopped Trayvon Martin from getting away, didn't he?

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RE: "the exacerbation of and the exploitation of r... - 4/12/2012 7:28:56 AM   
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