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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:02:10 PM   
CollaredProperty


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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: CollaredProperty

Why is it that most Masters think that BDSM is about sex?

And I quote what one recently said to me:

"But having no profile.....baiting an entire board and walking away isn't gonna give you alotta outlets to give that pussy away"

First off I DO have a profile with pictures.

Second I DONT Bait, I ask real and to the point questions.

Third I am NOT here to give "pussy away"

Fourth Maybe I should walk away from Collarme.com, I am being treated like meat at a meat market instead of human, a human that has a needs just like everyone else here. I quess it is wrong for me to expect Men to be Gentlemen, but give me a break that comment above was just so wrong on so many levels.

slave susan




"Also i must be a stay at home slave with all expenses paid for, because i wish to be kept, bound, tight bondage, caged and treated like chattel. no objection to being a sex slave but only to those in my immediate household."
 
This is from your profile. What, exactly, do you expect considering what you're advertising?

Celeste


Thank you for your suggestions, I have updated and changed my profile.

slave susan

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:04:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne

La is correct.

I don't think the comment about "giving your pussy away" was meant as a reference to sex.  Some could have taken your original post there as baiting the board to get certain responses.  He in turn baited you for a response, which you gave him. 

If you just look at it as a learning experience and think about how to clearly make your point when you post, you'll be fine.  I am not saying the post to you was not a little over the top, but your original post could also have been taken the same way.

welcome to the insanity

K



Thank you, yes it was over the top, and I have made changes to My profile so that men like this don't get the wrong idea. I have learned a lesson on posting.

slave susan

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:06:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld

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ORIGINAL: CollaredProperty

Third I am NOT here to give "pussy away"

slave susan


Yarrrr!!!! It's plunder!!!!


Don't walk away. You just need to realize that the Gorean boards are in shambles ATM. As a free site they are contending with Role Players. If you really want to talk to some good Goreans mail IronBear, Malkinius, Nos (i can't remember all of it), Lady Neets, and just pick through the boards until you discern who actually holds the Gorean way with respect.
 
The rest of the site also has its share of people just looking to get laid. I would hate to toss out a percentage of just horny people looking for sex but it would be high. You are young and gorgeous and all kinds are going to contact you for sex and try to E-Dom you into it. If you find someone interesting just look at their forum posts and it will give you a fair assessment of who they really are.
 
Chin up luv, Loki thinks your great.  



Loki,

Chin is up, and I think You are great too!

slave susan

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:07:27 PM   
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Thank you for your suggestions, I have updated and changed my profile.

slave susan


I think that's wise and hopefully, it will generate responses which are not so hurtful or degrading although it hasn't seemed to help me any. ::chuckles::

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:08:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LordDominik

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ORIGINAL: CollaredProperty

And I quote what one recently said to me:

"But having no profile.....baiting an entire board and walking away isn't gonna give you alotta outlets to give that pussy away"


In all absolute honesty, I wouldn't even justify this person with a response.  I agree with you.  Anyone who thinks this lifestyle is about sex is sorely misguided.  This lifestyle is about power exchange, plain and simple.  The better majority of that exchange takes place outside of the sexual arena. 
 
Furthermore, to anyone that this may apply to, I wouldn't take a great deal of confidence in someone who isn't familiar with the English language.  "...alotta outlets to give that pussy away"?  Yeah, nothing turns me on more than someone who can't properly conjugate a verb, and thinks "alotta" is a word. 
 
Just my two cents,
~ LD


Just a point Dominik, what on earth makes you think that the person who made the comment: "...alotta outlets to give that pussy away"?  has English as a second language? After all that comment quoted is typical of many comments made by Americans whose only language is English. FYI, the person who made the original post in the Gorean Lifestyles Forum is not a Gorean master but one who is both conversent with English as at least one other European language and who is a Citixed of the US and a man if excelent education. Some people enjoy using idiomatiac language at time just as I often slip into Australian slang. It does not alter neither education nor inteligence. Perhaps you would be better suied to find out more about people before making shallow  judgements. Just the views of an aged Grizzley, you do as you will... 

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:08:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LordDominik

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ORIGINAL: CollaredProperty

And I quote what one recently said to me:

"But having no profile.....baiting an entire board and walking away isn't gonna give you alotta outlets to give that pussy away"


In all absolute honesty, I wouldn't even justify this person with a response.  I agree with you.  Anyone who thinks this lifestyle is about sex is sorely misguided.  This lifestyle is about power exchange, plain and simple.  The better majority of that exchange takes place outside of the sexual arena. 
 
Furthermore, to anyone that this may apply to, I wouldn't take a great deal of confidence in someone who isn't familiar with the English language.  "...alotta outlets to give that pussy away"?  Yeah, nothing turns me on more than someone who can't properly conjugate a verb, and thinks "alotta" is a word. 
 
Just my two cents,
~ LD


LD,

Finally someone who understands its about TPE for Me NOT SEX, don't get me wrong I enjoy sex but it is not the basis of My relationships.

slave susan

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:09:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sweetbbwsub31

slave susan,
 
Your user name alone should clue in anyone who pays a bit of attention. If I were a Dom I wouldn't even contact someone named "collaredproperty". It doesn't get much clearer than that.
 
I have found quite a few friends on collarme. However, you have to learn to ignore the freaks (and there are plenty of them).
 
I hope this helps,
sub tara


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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:11:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

um.... why wouldnt masters/doms want sex in their intimate BDSM relationships? If you said "All about sex" I could understand your question, but not about sex at all? Most people ARE sexual, BDSM has many forms of sexual expression built into it as a lifestyle (hence Bondage, Discipline, Sadomaschocism). This is not all that BDSM is, but many of us think of these things when pursuing relationships in this sphere,... I wonder what is wrong with "most dominants" wanting that?


I am not opposed to having sex, I just don't want that to be the basis of the relationship. I want it built on TPE first.

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:12:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CollaredProperty

Why is it that most Masters think that BDSM is about sex?

And I quote what one recently said to me:

"But having no profile.....baiting an entire board and walking away isn't gonna give you alotta outlets to give that pussy away"

First off I DO have a profile with pictures.

Second I DONT Bait, I ask real and to the point questions.

Third I am NOT here to give "pussy away"

Fourth Maybe I should walk away from Collarme.com, I am being treated like meat at a meat market instead of human, a human that has a needs just like everyone else here. I quess it is wrong for me to expect Men to be Gentlemen, but give me a break that comment above was just so wrong on so many levels.

slave susan




susan:

yes, there are alot, even most who are using this as a meat market and think that bdsm somehow gives them the business to open up a convesation by asking our bust measurements.  But I think...and I hope, that there might be few needles in this crazy haystack.  And when you have a profile with provacative nude photos, it will only invite more of the same attitude that you say you are not looking for.  Im not telling you how your profile should read, or what you should post, Im only suggesting that having those photos up is going to encourage some, or make some feel like they have the 'green light" to come at you in a sexual way right from the get-go. Bad enough so many of them cant think past their dicks to begin with, but why encourage it, if you're looking for something more substantial?


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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:14:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

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ORIGINAL: CollaredProperty

Why is it that most Masters think that BDSM is about sex?

And I quote what one recently said to me:

"But having no profile.....baiting an entire board and walking away isn't gonna give you alotta outlets to give that pussy away"

First off I DO have a profile with pictures.

Second I DONT Bait, I ask real and to the point questions.

Third I am NOT here to give "pussy away"

Fourth Maybe I should walk away from Collarme.com, I am being treated like meat at a meat market instead of human, a human that has a needs just like everyone else here. I quess it is wrong for me to expect Men to be Gentlemen, but give me a break that comment above was just so wrong on so many levels.

slave susan




The short reply susan is that for many it as about sex!

However the incident you quoted was one of the replies made to you by Ron after you went and bated the entire Gorean Lifestyle Forum. Seeing that most of us know and love Ron his response was pretty normal and I'll wager very tongue in cheek..



Iron Bear thank You, if that is Ron's "usual" way to speak to a lady, I will be sure to avoid Him and His posts.

slave susan

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:15:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: soulreaver67

I would be interested in knowing how many here understand the difference between being a "slave," and being a submissive.  susan, do you understand what a slave is?

SoulReaver
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Why yes I DO.

slave susan

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:17:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: feastie

Oh good lord, do not start the whole sub/slave thing again.  Everyone defines it differently.  No one is right, no one is wrong.  Her definition may not be the same as your definition.  Get over it.





I totally agree with you this topic is not about do I know what a slave vs sub is. No one is right and no one is wrong.

slave susan

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:20:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Suleiman

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

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ORIGINAL: CollaredProperty
Why is it that most Masters think that BDSM is about sex?


You don't even have the sense to define what sex is.  Are you defining it like Bill Clinton?  Are you defining it like Janet Hardy?  Are you defining it according the the Rocks and Shoals?



Speaking purely for myself, as I generally endeavor to do, it IS about sex for me, both dom and sub, but that dosen't mean that it has anything to do with coitus, penetration, or even orgasm. The thrill I get is only equatable in my experience with sexual satisfaction, sexual fulfillment. I can keep the little master firmly tucked away in my jeans, and still walk around with a happy satisfied glow that lasts for days after a good scene.

A lack of communication is frequently the undoing of people on the internet, especiallyu when dealing with the kinkier scenes. The fallacy of a monolithic BDSM culture that is somehow universal and uses an absolutely defined jargon had been the despair of a great many otherwise genuine and wonderful individuals, without all the confusion of having to find the rare prince among all those slimy, green HNGs sitting on their internet lilly pads.

But, yes, in the BIG BOOK OF MEANINGS trapped in my head, it is all about sex. I just have a very broad definition of sex, compared to some I've spoken to.


Hee Hee Brutally Honest And Funny!
slave susan

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:22:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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Thank you for your suggestions, I have updated and changed my profile.

slave susan


I think that's wise and hopefully, it will generate responses which are not so hurtful or degrading although it hasn't seemed to help me any. ::chuckles::

Celeste


Thank You
slave susan

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:24:19 PM   
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I'm going to answer your comment susan with a very basic response and since you stated in your OP in the Gorean Lifestyle forum I believe you will understand it as intended.

For me my lifestyle choice is all about living the Gorean Lifestyle and philosoiphies to the best of my abilities and using them to self improve toward the goal (which is of course unobtainable at the most perfect level but worthy of making the attempt) of becomming that which I should be. That I hold dear Honour, Integrety, Honesty, Loyalty and Duty is both part of that which I believe in and believe a Man to be and is part of what I am and brought up to be.. Sex is something enjoyable but is not an integral part of my Goreanness nor is owning  a slave. Both are just the perks of being what I am. being married to my Free Companion (Neets) just means that sex is available when we both chose to enjoy it. Should a kajira or kajirae fine her/themselves in my collar, sex may or may not become involved according to my choice but it again is and never will be the reason for their bondage. The reason for their bondage is bases in service which all Gorean slaves are, and because I choose to have a girl kneeling at my feet nothing more or less.....

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:29:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

I'm going to answer your comment susan with a very basic response and since you stated in your OP in the Gorean Lifestyle forum I believe you will understand it as intended.

For me my lifestyle choice is all about living the Gorean Lifestyle and philosoiphies to the best of my abilities and using them to self improve toward the goal (which is of course unobtainable at the most perfect level but worthy of making the attempt) of becomming that which I should be. That I hold dear Honour, Integrety, Honesty, Loyalty and Duty is both part of that which I believe in and believe a Man to be and is part of what I am and brought up to be.. Sex is something enjoyable but is not an integral part of my Goreanness nor is owning  a slave. Both are just the perks of being what I am. being married to my Free Companion (Neets) just means that sex is available when we both chose to enjoy it. Should a kajira or kajirae fine her/themselves in my collar, sex may or may not become involved according to my choice but it again is and never will be the reason for their bondage. The reason for their bondage is bases in service which all Gorean slaves are, and because I choose to have a girl kneeling at my feet nothing more or less.....


Master Iron Bear,

Thank You, Loki did mention that You were one of the good guys to speak with, looking forward to future posts.

slave susan

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:40:13 PM   
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Susan:
When I read IB's post saying it was mnottertail who made those remarks, I wandered over to Gor to read the thread myself. It was classic mnottertail, and I can speak with certainty of *my* mind he was being humorous and in no way treating you like a piece of meat. We all don't have the same sense of humor, but knowing Ron, he is the farthest thing from a HNG on this board.

My very first thread here, drew a * stinging* response from mnottertail. Instead of making it a public show of force, I privately e mailed him and opened a discussion. We never agreed on the subject, but we had a better understanding of each others position and since then have a mutual respect for each other. He came to understand me and I him. And during our correspondance on that particular topic, I came to see him differently than I did when I first read the response. After being here a while and seeing his sense of humor and his " i calls it as I sees it" style, I find him very funny and pretty insightful.  He often reminds me of the old AA saying " keep it simple".

That is my experience and how I handled it and I am not saying you should follow suit. Personally, I don't want to be at odds with anyone here and if I closed my mind off at the first interaction or posting I read by certain people, I would have a bad taste in my mouth. I also would have missed out on some nice friendships.MB are alot like life in general, sometimes we make snap judgements and later find out we were wrong.

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:45:17 PM   
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You sweet as you know are an absolute darling and one with whom I have enjoyed numerous conversations via the threads with.... Damme if the ones I like the most are on the other side of that blasted duck pond.... 

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:47:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

Susan:
When I read IB's post saying it was mnottertail who made those remarks, I wandered over to Gor to read the thread myself. It was classic mnottertail, and I can speak with certainty of *my* mind he was being humorous and in no way treating you like a piece of meat. We all don't have the same sense of humor, but knowing Ron, he is the farthest thing from a HNG on this board.

My very first thread here, drew a * stinging* response from mnottertail. Instead of making it a public show of force, I privately e mailed him and opened a discussion. We never agreed on the subject, but we had a better understanding of each others position and since then have a mutual respect for each other. He came to understand me and I him. And during our correspondance on that particular topic, I came to see him differently than I did when I first read the response. After being here a while and seeing his sense of humor and his " i calls it as I sees it" style, I find him very funny and pretty insightful.  He often reminds me of the old AA saying " keep it simple".

That is my experience and how I handled it and I am not saying you should follow suit. Personally, I don't want to be at odds with anyone here and if I closed my mind off at the first interaction or posting I read by certain people, I would have a bad taste in my mouth. I also would have missed out on some nice friendships.MB are alot like life in general, sometimes we make snap judgements and later find out we were wrong.

mbmbn


Thank You

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RE: A Honest Opinion Please - 6/5/2006 6:49:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

You sweet as you know are an absolute darling and one with whom I have enjoyed numerous conversations via the threads with.... Damme if the ones I like the most are on the other side of that blasted duck pond.... 


Iron Bear,

Hee Hee Duck Pond....Austrailia is a bit further huh?


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