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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 5:43:31 AM

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About a decade ago, our Republican (Republic?) friends stopped calling the Democratic Party by its long-standing name and began referring to the "Democrat Party." Does anyone know why?

To be perfectly honest, I didn't notice they did. But I am sure someone will be along to tell us why along with an explanation of how it proves everyone on the other side is evil.

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 5:53:16 AM

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Does it really matter? It is Coke and Pepsi, although hemlock or cyanide would be better analogy. Pick you poison but regardless of the name it is still going to kill you in the end.

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 6:19:59 AM

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I have that older bro that retired from the SS 8 years ago. Well when he was in highschool, it was the height of the British Invasion. He and 3 other local RI kids formed a band named "The Tories" and they were quite popullar. And my brother got suspended from part of his Jr. year for having hair that was about the length of Moe Howard in the Three Stooges and maybe half an inch shorter than Ringo star. Same school 8 years later, My best friend accidentally set fire to 2 feet of his own hair doing a bluestone solution experiment in sophmore chemistry

Yeah how times change - have to laugh at the outrage at men having long hair when it was normal only 60 or 70 years earlier. BTW for a moment I thought I had heard of your bro's band but after a qucik google it turns out it was a later group from the 90's.

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 9:07:25 AM

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"Democrat Party" is a political epithet used in the United States instead of "Democratic Party" when talking about the Democratic Party. The term has been used in negative or hostile fashion by conservative commentators and members of the Republican Party in party platforms, partisan speeches and press releases since 1940.

Multiple reasons are suggested for the use of the term. A 1984 New York Times article suggested Republicans began to use the term when Democrats used their own party name to imply "they are the only true adherents of democracy." Republicans "feared that 'Democratic' suggested Democrats had a monopoly on or are somehow the anointed custodians of the concept of democracy." New Yorker commentator Hendrik Hertzberg wrote, "There’s no great mystery about the motives behind this deliberate misnaming. 'Democrat Party' is a slur, or intended to be — a handy way to express contempt"...

On the February 26, 2009 edition of Hardball with Chris Matthews, Republican Representative Darrell Issa referred to "a Democrat Congress". The host, Chris Matthews, took exception, saying:

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Well, I think the Democratic Party calls itself the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party. Do we have to do this every night? Why do people talk like this? Is this just fighting words to get the name on?

Issa denied that he intended to use "fighting words". Matthews replied, "They call themselves the Democratic Party. Let’s just call people what they call themselves and stop the Mickey Mouse here — save that for the stump."
In March 2009, after Representative Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) repeatedly used the phrase "Democrat Party" when questioning U.S. Office of Management and Budget director Peter Orszag, Representative Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) said:

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I’d like to begin by saying to my colleague from Texas that there isn’t a single member on this side of the aisle that belongs to the “Democrat Party.” We belong to the Democratic Party. So the party you were referring to doesn’t even exist. And I would just appreciate the courtesy when you’re referring to our party, if you’re referring to the Democratic Party, to refer to it as such.

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 10:07:58 AM

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"Democrat Party" is a political epithet used in the United States instead of "Democratic Party" when talking about the Democratic Party. The term has been used in negative or hostile fashion by conservative commentators and members of the Republican Party in party platforms, partisan speeches and press releases since 1940.

So it's an old time honored tradition with republicans ... Well that makes sense, we all know how much tradition means to them.

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 10:09:00 AM

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What if we just call it the "Party of Jefferson"?

Sure, things have changed since then, but today's right certainly isn't the "Party of Lincoln" either, and that doesn't stop them.

With all the refrains about "well, the founding fathers......," I say "Party of Jefferson" it is.

Besides, I like to sleep with slave girls.

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 10:26:00 AM

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What if we just call it the "Party of Jefferson"?

The party which defaults to, 'more government,' being the answer to every problem?

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 10:47:54 AM

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What if we just call it the "Party of Jefferson"?

The party which defaults to, 'more government,' being the answer to every problem?

Yeah and they are tough on deficits too right?

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 10:56:44 AM

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Yeah and they are tough on deficits too right?

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I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 11:17:37 AM

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What if we just call it the "Party of Jefferson"?

The party which defaults to, 'more government,' being the answer to every problem?

Spoken like a member of the "Talking Points" party.

Money. When you cut revenue, it just magically appears!

Brought to you by the knee-jerk "government is too big" party that brought you the Department of Homeland Theater.

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 11:26:07 AM

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To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.
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Shall we skip the next few posts, before you say it was a joke to begin with, and leave, Muse?

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 11:30:47 AM

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"Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor."

You guessed it: Thomas Jefferson

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 11:33:23 AM

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"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies."

T.J. again

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 11:36:54 AM

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"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country."

Thomas Jefferson

Fun though plucking quotes is, I'm not sure it demonstrates much more than (a) Rich and I know how to use Google and (b) Jefferson was a complex guy not easily translatable to modern politics.

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 11:39:54 AM

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a joke

Ah yes. Change the subject when called to the carpet. The basics of the Party of Talking Points.

“I hope we shall crush… in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country."

“May (July 4) be to the world, what I believe it will be -- to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all -- the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of government. That form (of government) which we have substituted, restores the free right to the unbounded exercise of reason and freedom of opinion."

--Jefferson

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 11:52:00 AM

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I see Tim knows how to use Google too.

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 12:31:16 PM

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How's this for serendipity? I needed a break from the computer,. so I settled down with John Milton Cooper's Woodrow Wilson biography. Made it about a page when I hit a quote that seemed perfect for this thread. It think it may speak to folks on both sides of the aisle.

"We stand in the presence of an awakened nation, impatient of partisan make-believe."
--Woodrow Wilson on accepting the Democratic nomination for the presidency, August 7, 1912

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 12:39:58 PM

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"We stand in the presence of an awakened nation, impatient of partisan make-believe."
--Woodrow Wilson on accepting the Democratic nomination for the presidency, August 7, 1912

If you are part of a society that votes, then do so. There may be no candidates and no measures you want to vote for, but there are certain to be ones you want to vote against. In case of doubt, vote against. By this rule you will rarely go wrong. If this is too blind for your taste, consult some well-meaning fool (there is always one around) and ask his advice. Then vote the other way. This enables you to be a good citizen (if such is your wish) without spending the enormous amount of time on it that truly intelligent exercise of franchise requires.

--Woodrow Wilson Smith, 1978.

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 12:47:13 PM

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Interesting quote, Aylee. Thanks! I've never tried Heinlein. Does one need to be a sci-fi buff to enjoy him?

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RE: "The Democrat Party" - 5/13/2012 1:13:02 PM

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Where one party wants government to be smaller. They make it bigger somewhere else

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