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LadyPact -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/16/2012 5:18:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo

When the first one doesn't work ... the second is a sure fire loss! Tried the wait a week a couple times ... total failure.

Interestingly enough, what HAS worked ... is writing a couple months later (if she is still on) ... and writing as if you have never written before ...

For some reason ... this has been successful at times

Actually, the above is why I instituted My personal policy of blocking anyone who sent a first contact message that I wasn't interested in.  If it's been less than six months and the original email wasn't deleted (which I don't unless I'm reporting as spam) it will still show that you've written before.




delightedbyyou -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/16/2012 5:22:33 PM)

Thank you all for your very thoughtful responses. The person in question did NOT in fact state about any requirements for a photo. I was quite careful in reading and rereading her profile.




PeonForHer -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/16/2012 5:47:15 PM)

Just write and tell her that she's the spitting image of a particular Hollywood actress, but that you can't for the life of you remember the actress's name. Then watch *her* pester *you* till you 'remember'. No worries. [;)]




Baroana -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/16/2012 5:50:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: delightedbyyou

I recently found a profile for a Dominant Woman, who is less than two hours away and has a profile that reads like every thought I've ever had about this lifestyle. I have sent an email introducing myself and I went into some detail about what parts of her profile caught my attention. I feel that it was an honest, respectful approach. I ended by thanking her for reading my mail and asked her to please feel free to contact me if she had any questions or wished to see any pictures.

My question is, if I do not receive a response, would it be polite and acceptable to send a follow-up after a reasonable amount of time? While her profile did not say "No contact without pictures," I am concerned that perhaps I should have just included one.

It has not even been a few hours since I mailed, but I have never been SO enthralled or felt such a connection to another profile before. So I thought I would take this opportunity to ask here, if a follow up would be polite and if so, after how much time?

Thank you SO much for any help.
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There are many issues here.

The first issue is your possible overestimation of compatibility brought on by the supposed awesomeness of this woman. All you know is that she has shown the ability to verbalize your thoughts about this lifestyle. That's great, but by no means does it lead to the conclusion that she is "the one" for you. As you may know, kink compatibility is but one element of a match between two people. Thinking on the same wavelength is one more element, but it is still not the whole equation. Moreover, it could be that there is someone out there better for you, but that person just cannot write in a way that speaks to you as much.

It is also possible that your judgment about this woman is clouded by your sense of elation at finding someone who thinks similarly to you with regard to BDSM. Then again, maybe she truly is great for you, but she simply does not return your feelings (heaven knows that never happens in life). Maybe there was something in your profile that turned her off. Maybe she's not into your physical type, or maybe she thinks that you did not put enough care and attention into writing your profile. Perhaps your list of interests does not excite her. Bottom line is, she just may not be that into you.

The next issue is your introductory email. There are many things that could have gone wrong there, if in fact something did go wrong. Perhaps your way of saying things does not impress her in the same way that she impressed you. Maybe you came across as creepy, which is tremendously easy to do on a site where kinky people are trying to pick each other up. Maybe you made spelling and/or grammar errors that put her off. Maybe your message was too long and bored her. Maybe your message was too long, and she didn't have the time or the energy to read it in detail and respond (this does happen, which is why ten sentences is about the most you should put out there the first time). It is also possible that in an effort to be respectful, your message read as too sterile or businesslike (e.g. "please feel free to contact me if you have any questions").

As to the matter of whether you should expect a response or continue to wait for one, the brutal reality is that she simply does not owe you a return message. For reference you can refer to the dozens of prior threads on the topic of returning c-mail. Generally, if someone writes me a genuinely nice message, I will write something back. That is just me, though.

I would give it one week before taking further action. If she is planning to respond to you, she certainly should do so by then. After that point, you can reasonably assume that she is not going to respond. What to do then? This is a matter where being *slightly* persistent can pay off. If I was you, I would give it exactly One (1) more try.

DO NOT ask her why she did not respond to your previous message.

DO NOT imply that she was impolite or inconsiderate by failing to write back.

DO NOT make yourself sound desperate or stalkerish.

Your follow up message should be simple and brief. It should state something to the effect that you were very impressed by her profile, and you just want to make sure you sufficiently expressed your interest. State that you do not in any way feel entitled to a reply, and if you receive none you will absolutely not bother her again.




Lockit -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/16/2012 5:50:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: delightedbyyou

Thank you all for your very thoughtful responses. The person in question did NOT in fact state about any requirements for a photo. I was quite careful in reading and rereading her profile.


Yes, I am sorry for misreading what you posted. I was going to email you on that and forgot. That was pointed out to us very quickly by DarkSteven.




delightedbyyou -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/16/2012 6:18:52 PM)

Again, I really have to say that I am thankful that I received such a helpful range of thoughts and opinions. Again, I originated the post minutes after I sent my original email. I really am rather focused and detail oriented, but I was experiencing some nervousness/butterflies at the time and that's really the only time that's ever happened to me out of a gathousand read profiles. I intend to remain cheerful and optimistic. If this isn't the one, then I must be destined for something else, after all.

But again, and I do feel the need to repeat myself, thank you all for such thoughtful responses.




PeonForHer -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/16/2012 6:37:26 PM)

I think you're a good man, DBY. I also think you'll find what you're after eventually. [;)]




littlewonder -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/16/2012 7:16:15 PM)

I'm of the opinion that she got the email and if she didn't respond, she's not interested. Period. Imo you'll be wasting your time sending a second email.




NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/16/2012 9:27:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo
Interestingly enough, what HAS worked ... is writing a couple months later (if she is still on) ... and writing as if you have never written before ...

For some reason ... this has been successful at times

Now see, that wouldn't work with me. One, if it's less than six months it will show that the person has written me before. Two, if it's more than six months, I have a memory like an elephant and I'll still remember the last letter. lol

NBMG




littlewonder -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/16/2012 9:28:56 PM)

I always get guys who do that....disappear for months, then email me pretending they never have before until I happen to remind them of small details in their last emails lol.

For some reason, they never respond back....puzzling.




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/17/2012 12:56:17 AM)

I had one guy who did it repeatedly, on and off for about a year under different profiles (but always similar pictures.) Then he went away. And about a year and a half he messaged me on OKC, and I picked up on it because his writing style was...slightly weird, somehow. Nothing I could quantify, but a bit too flowery-and-not-flowery. So I flicked through his pictures, and - lo and behold! Same shot of him in lycra shorts.

I think they think we're stupid.




Ambyant -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/17/2012 1:52:06 PM)

Also, possible your message went straight to her filtered bulk mail -
perhaps something on your profile is what she's set to not even see in her inbox!
Always the best
Wikked~Lady




PrincessDonna11 -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/17/2012 2:16:01 PM)

My first thing is I would check to see when she was online last. people asume that other people have n lives other then this one. I started school and at times could only check my CM once a week MAYBE! Before I did it several times a day.




seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/17/2012 7:41:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit


quote:

ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo

When the first one doesn't work ... the second is a sure fire loss! Tried the wait a week a couple times ... total failure.

Interestingly enough, what HAS worked ... is writing a couple months later (if she is still on) ... and writing as if you have never written before ...

For some reason ...this has been successful at times




I assume a number of us just may thank you for that bit of advice! (Insert unfavorable... name calling here!) [:D][;)]



Shall i insert the bolded words for You? [:D]


But i swear .. it can, and has, worked for me!


My theory is ... as time passes, the number of emails a Lady gets ... diminish .... then she pays more attention to what she gets! Or the Lady has an interest in one or two .. and blows off everyone else until they don't pan out ....

then is more receptive to my brilliantly written, highly attractive, emails! [;)]



Opps, sorry .. guess You are now, going to get more mail! [:)]

So that is why You will call me the &$&$&$&$& ..... [:D]

Oh well, guess You should have answered the first one! [;)]














seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/17/2012 7:53:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NiceButMeanGirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo
Interestingly enough, what HAS worked ... is writing a couple months later (if she is still on) ... and writing as if you have never written before ...

For some reason ... this has been successful at times

Now see, that wouldn't work with me. One, if it's less than six months it will show that the person has written me before. Two, if it's more than six months, I have a memory like an elephant and I'll still remember the last letter. lol

NBMG



Didn't say it worked all the time.

Before they made prior emails viewable in the list (circa 2009 -10) my results on this were close to 30 percent successful.

That is a HIGH rate for a male ...

But since they added the ability to see prior emails, and took away the browsing feature I used to READ profiles (circa 2012) ...

No point in using CM for dating any longer ..

Truthfully, I pay $$$ on alt, and the Ladies approach me ... LOL ... that works now ...













ElanSubdued -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/19/2012 4:47:35 PM)

delightedbyyou,

I've got good tasting medicine for you and some that may not go down as well.  First, let's deal with the "good" stuff.

Your opening post is the right way to ask a question on this forum and to get serious replies.  I am very impressed.  You explain yourself well and thoughtfully; use (within reason) proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation; and speak in a way that is sincere.  We get new subs posting frequently and their questions are often little more than poorly disguised attempts to extract fodder for a given kink.  You've separated yourself nicely from this crowd and I must say it is a pleasure to read your OP and your responses.

About your question, I've had mixed results.  Generally, when I write to someone, if they don't reply in a reasonable time frame (say one to two weeks), I don't write again.  However, in circumstances where someone has made an especially good impression, sometimes I'll send a polite follow-up after not receiving a reply.  In my entire time of being on here (which is quite a few years), the follow-up approach has worked maybe twice.  Most of the time the follow-up is also ignored or gets a nasty reply, which I then proceed to ignore, never contacting the person again.

One hard lesson I learned (on here and on other sites) is that a fantastically written profile may entice you to write, but it doesn't mean the author is equally fantastic.  I've been shocked at how many times I received rude replies or inappropriate replies.  The point is... anyone can write anything and we usually all write to make ourselves look our best.  Until you start actually  interacting with someone, you cannot sample their social skills, communication style, dominance style, and personal style.  The bottom line is the profile means nothing, even if its super fabulicious!  You must validate, by interacting, whether a given person's style works for you.  This transition occurs when moving from an introduction letter to conversations, and when moving from conversations to real life interactions.  All bets are off until you have sampled.

Here's the bad medicine I mentioned in my first paragraph.  I was impressed enough with your OP that I read your profile.  There are some blunders in your text that I'd consider changing or removing.  Blunders as follows:

"A little chat is fine, a discreet encounter, or even the possibility of something more long term is possible."

I think you need to better define what you're looking for.  For example, someone searching for a long-term relationship is likely to be turned off by the inclusion of "a discreet encounter".  These two goals are incongruent with one another.

"It just so happens that I have a natural desire to behave in certain ways that can be quite attractive to a dominant woman."

You've homogenized and marginalized your audience, and by doing so you've insulted that audience.  There is no such thing as "behaving in certain ways that are attractive to dominant women".  Every domme is a unique person with her own preferences and life experiences.  I'd consider discussing your personality, skills, and personal attributes that make you desirable as a friend and potential submissive.  Leave out any notion of what a domme should like.  A domme will decide if she likes what you have to say (in your introduction letter and profile) and reply or not reply accordingly.

Your third paragraph... DELETE IT.  It's generic kink with no personality.  Use this space to share a more balanced view of yourself.

Add an attractive vanilla picture of yourself doing something you love:  hiking, volunteering, laughing at a joke, etc.

I think your OP is a great introduction on this forum, but your profile may not be a satisfactory backup to the letter you sent.  It's possible the domme you wrote to simply wasn't impressed by your profile.  It's clear you can write and express yourself.  Use these skills to make your profile stand out from the pack.  The less you say about kink and the more you show yourself as a well-balanced person who would be good to know, the better.




ElanSubdued -> RE: Is a follow up email appropriate. (5/20/2012 7:28:16 AM)

Grumble.  Grumble.  ~!%*^$(*#!!!!! Collar Me web site! (OCD moment.  This damn site won't let me edit my stuff to correct it.)

"...even if *it's* super fabulicious!"




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