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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/15/2012 10:54:34 AM

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When I had my hysterectomy, the doctor left my left ovary intact so I did not have to do HRT. The right one was the culprit having ovarian cysts bursting all of the time. Mom had her left ovary left in place as well and a few years ago did go through menopause (at least the hot flashes). Now she has to deal with her breasts developing...and I thought I had too many bras...LOL!

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/15/2012 5:38:19 PM

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I do realize that for many a hysterectomy they feel is taking away their womanhood.

Etymologically it is. The word woman in womanhood is a contraction of womb-man. Remove the womb, and 'womanhood' changes into 'manhood'.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/15/2012 7:12:20 PM

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That doesn't make it the womb a sex organ.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/15/2012 7:16:06 PM

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HRT is never a "requirement," it is a choice that women make. In my opinion, often a foolish choice, if made directly after a hysterectomy before they know how they will react and for how long. I went through some pretty nasty menopause, but HRT was not in the plan at any time, and its existence is not simply for hysterectomy patients or menopause patients, but both.

I think it is horrible that as a society, we have taught so many women that without their womb, they are less of a woman. It really bothers me every time I hear about a woman who is severely suffering, but refuse the treatment by hysterectomy because it makes them less of a woman. I do understand when it is someone who is young and hoping to have a family, but when it is a woman who is done with having children, really it makes little sense.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/15/2012 7:53:39 PM

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Just wanted to thank you all again for the input.

I'm moving my portion of this discussion into a new venue.. my doctors office.

Thanks again, all.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/15/2012 8:16:51 PM

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I had a complete hysterectomy for endo, fibroids, and a hemorraghic cyst in my pelvic wall. I briefly considered other alternatives, ruled them out, and insisted it be done by laparoscopy as the least invasive way. I knew that any time you remove connective tissue, muscle and ligaments the area will be weakened, but somehow I thought I'd dodge that bullet since I asked them to leave my cervix, was active, muscular, fit, a slave to kegels and would have no slice and dice laparotic incisions through my belly/pelvic muscles. The cyst had to be excised the old-fashioned way through vaginal muscle and tissue. Cripes on a cross, THAT was an ordeal much more traumatic than the hysterectomy itself.

Surgically slammed into menopause, then fast forward 4 years. Despite still being active, muscular, fit and a slave to kegels I now deal with thinned, fragile tissues, painful internal scar tissue, a 'demanding bladder' and altered sexual response (orgasms contract with a weird hiccuped disconnect where my uterus used to be...not painful but definitely strange).

Some of these symptoms would inevitably still have happened if I'd entered menopause naturally but stuff like the scar tissue and weakened pelvic area wouldn't have been an issue. Did the surgery cure the heavy bleeding and severe pain? Of course, but it might have eventually run its course through natural menopause and I wouldn't have an altered kitty I can't sit on that'll never be the same. Basically, I traded one type of misery for another.

Also, to those who say removing ovaries creates one less thing to get cancer: not always true. My gyn knows of two local cases where ovarian cancer was detected in the area the organs had been. Rare, but it happens.

My point is: cutting and pasting alters you. Not just bad things are removed. The older you are, the harder it is for your body to recover from the assault and there will always be a void where something used to be. You may decide it's the least of the evils, but think VERY carefully before electing surgery for an issue that might resolve on its own.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/15/2012 8:36:11 PM

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MDA,

I totally agree that everyone should think long and hard, and examine all options before making a decision. Your situation is not necessarily the norm though. My mom had a hysterectomy without those issues, and I have friends who didn't have them as well.

As for the "demanding" bladder? Well, simply carrying, not even "giving birth" (he was a c-section) to my 9lb 14oz son totally screwed up my bladder, and I had surgery to correct that a few years ago after about 15 years of not being able to run, cough, vomit, jump, laugh, sneeze, etc. without peeing my pants. Oh and I have never had a hysterectomy, and the doctors confirmed it was the size and way my son was positioned that did the damage, so it wasn't the c-section either.

All surgeries carry risk, and each individual has to decide what is the best decision for them. What I was saying and still say is that to not make a decision like a hysterectomy because you are concerned about losing your "womanhood" is NOT the reason to make the decision. Making, or not making the decision because of what you sadly have experienced is totally understandable, even if not anything I have ever heard the many friends I know with hysterectomies complain about.

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RE: Endometriosis: Endovan Miracle cure?? - 6/15/2012 8:47:53 PM

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What I was saying and still say is that to not make a decision like a hysterectomy because you are concerned about losing your "womanhood" is NOT the reason to make the decision.

I agree. Do we think a man is less of a man because he's had his prostate or testicle(s) removed due to medical reasons? Some might, but not I. We're all getting older; stuff happens to the carcass. Our souls are still beautiful and young (at least that's what I keep telling myself!