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Need Help: Research Paper on Non-U.S. Health Care - 6/24/2012 9:29:58 AM   
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I'm doing a research paper for school on Non-U.S. health care so I could use some help from all of you across the pond with a little feed back on the following. If any prefer you can cmail your responses to me too. Thank you!

1. What if any are your out-of-pocket costs?
2. Are you or have you ever been denied service or coverage?
3. How long are your wait times for service?
4. On a scale of 1-10 how would you rank the quality of care?
5. Would you prefer to have a health care system similar to the U.S.?

DISCLAIMER: If you're from the U.S. don't speculate or spout shit you know nothing about.
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RE: Need Help: Research Paper on Non-U.S. Health Care - 6/24/2012 9:53:32 AM   
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1.Here in Ontario, This is what is NOT covered by tax paid health insurance
http://cnmag.ca/current-issue/74-issue-30/742-ohip-whats-not-covered.
Many employers offer supplemental (private) insurance for many of those items. the costs vary. People on benefits get prescriptions and emergency dental and bi yearly glasses paid for. or mostly covered.
2 Nope not in 20 odd years
3 Wait times can vary, depending on the service. Last year I had problems and went to the doc, from there I had three/four ultrasounds, 2 MRIs , a colonoscopy, endoscopy, and surgery the time was just over six months(mostly due to scheduling) but here is the average wait time site that is run by the Gov
http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/programs/waittimes/
4 I'd give it a 8
5 Not in this lifetime

I realise now you wanted UK/Europe answers, but sending it anyway:)
I only have family in the UK , but they are happier with the NHS compared to what the US has.
Both systems(UK and Canada) have problems but Im happier with, than without.

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RE: Need Help: Research Paper on Non-U.S. Health Care - 6/24/2012 3:46:26 PM   
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Answers for the German system


1. What if any are your out-of-pocket costs?

Well, first of all there is the cost of the mandatory insurance:
cost is shared between employee and employer
the employee pays 8,2% of his income, capped at a max. of 315 Euro/month
the employer pays 7,3% of the employees income

covered with this are:
the employee
his/her spouse if he/she has no income of their own/ income below 400 Euro per month
all children beneath the age of 18
children between the age of 18 and 25 if they have no significant income of their own and are still involved in some kind of schooling

There is a mandate to buy this form of insurance if your income is less than 46000 Euro per year. Above this threshold you can either choose to stay in this insurance or decide to buy private insurance.



Routine healthcare:

-10 Euro for the first office visit of each quarter (might be waived if the patient takes part in a preventive healthcare project),

-medication and things like filter for oxigen masks, incontinence pads, syringes, bandages, tape ... 0-10 Euro copay (10% of price, 5 Euro min. 10 Euro max. with a good deal of the less expensive medications free of copay),

-10 Euro per day of a hospital stay (28 days max.)

-Rehabilitation in a specialized facility 10 Euro per day (42 days max. prior hospital stays count against the max. copay needed)

-household help: 10% of cost min. 5, max. 10 Euro

-transportation cost: 10% of cost min. 5, max. 10 Euro


Copays are capped at 1% (if a family member is diagnosed with a chronic condition) or 2 percent of the annual income after deductions for family members (15% deduction for spouses, 7000 Euro per child).
If you recive social security, combined copays are capped at 90 Euro annually

There is no copay whatsoever for children


"Specials" like acupuncture, chiropractic, ... are often not covered, but relatively cheap additional coverage can be bought.


Dental health:

- preventive dental care is covered with two visits per year

-no copay for fillings, tooth extraction, root channels, cleaning once per year

- if you need tooth replacement your copay will vary between 35%-50%. If you choose some higher quality option like implants you pay the difference.

-additional insurance to cover the copays is available


Orthodontic care

-depending upon the diagnosis (cosmetic vs. medical necessity) children are completely covered. There is a 20% copay which the insurance pays back after the successful completion of the therapy.

-diagnostic criteria for adults are stricter

-additional insurance is available


Glasses

-adults pay completely (some exceptions for massive sight reductions)

-children only pay for the frames, the glasses are covered

-additional insurance is available



2. Are you or have you ever been denied service or coverage?

-Never!




3. How long are your wait times for service?

depends:

-acute illness that will be treated by a primary care physician (flu, gastrointestinal virus, ...) immediately

-chronic illness treated by a primary care practitioner (high blood pressure, diabetes ...) 0-5 days for check-ups, acute problems immediately

-specialists for not acutely dangerous conditions and check-ups: immediately-1 month (mostly within a week or two), there might be some outliers that take longer, mostly for "exotics" and never for acutely dangerous conditions

-acute conditions that require specialised care: immediately, normally in a hospital




4. On a scale of 1-10 how would you rank the quality of care?

As I believe that no 10 should be given, as improvement is always possible, I would rate the overall quality of care in Germany 8-9.




5. Would you prefer to have a health care system similar to the U.S.?

Are you kidding me?

While the German system is by no means perfect, I do feel that it does threat us well. Nobody has to choose between medication and eating, and an accident will not ruin a families finances.

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RE: Need Help: Research Paper on Non-U.S. Health Care - 6/24/2012 3:52:17 PM   
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RE: Need Help: Research Paper on Non-U.S. Health Care - 6/24/2012 4:42:37 PM   
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"DISCLAIMER: If you're from the U.S. don't speculate or spout shit you know nothing about."

I'm posting from the US but was born, and lived in, the UK for several decades, if you feel that means I'm "spouting shit", feel free to disregard what follows...
A little attitude adjustment might get you more constructive responses

1. What if any are your out-of-pocket costs?

The UK health service is funded by a deduction from income, similar to income tax, but called "National Insurance". Currently running around 11 or 12%, I beleive
This also funds your state retirement benefit, and inability to pay does not bar you from receiving any medical services
Prescription costs are usually a fairly small flat fee - currently GBP7.65 - unless you have a chronic illness, are pregnant or nursing, or retired, in whch case they're free

2. Are you or have you ever been denied service or coverage?

In 40 years of childhood injuries, parenthood and chronic illness, no. There is no "test" before treatment, nobody checks your insurance or your ability to pay, and there' s no bill afterwards.

3. How long are your wait times for service?

It depends on the type of service.. emergencies are always handled as fast as they can get you to an ER (Ambulance services are free too)
"Routine" illnesses, wellness checks and screenings are handled by your family doctor, wait time will depend on how soon you can make an appointment - usually no more than a few days, but most Dr's offices run an informal triage system which gets children and potentially serious issues to the front of the line. Speciallst services are usually by referral and may take longer if the escpilist is particular popular... or you my be referred to a local hospital for specialist care
"Electives" like nose jobs and plastic surgery go to the back of the queue unless there is a pressing need.
(it's worth noting that fee-paying nonemergency care is also optionally available in the UK, and many companies will include it in a benefits package. If you don't want to wait for your tummy tuck, you can pay to have it done privately, right away.


4. On a scale of 1-10 how would you rank the quality of care?

Eight. No system is perfect

5. Would you prefer to have a health care system similar to the U.S.?

Having had extensive experience as a customer of both, I'd take the UK system any day

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RE: Need Help: Research Paper on Non-U.S. Health Care - 6/24/2012 5:32:49 PM   
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I'm from Australia and our healthcare system is basically a socialised health system with the option of also purchasing private health insurance to access extra cover (usually with less waiting lists, slightly nicer hospitals). Medicare is the basis of our healthcare system. Medicare is funded through tax. Currently Australian healthcare is state-funded.

1. What if any are your out-of-pocket costs?
Prescriptions are almost all subsidised by the pharmaceutical benefits scheme, meaning most common scripts will only cost around $30. For low income earners, they are given a healthcare card which means their scripts cost $5.80.
If you need to be referred to a specialist (eg. surgeon, psychiatrist, etc), you usually need to pay. The Australian Medical Association (AMA) recommends what they should charge for their service/specialty but it's up to their discretion if you pay extra. You receive the base amount back as a refund from Medicare.
Some primary care doctors (GPs) will charge above the recommended rate but for the most part you can find one who "bulk bills" which means they charge Medicare directly the base fee.
Public hospitals are free for Australian residents & citizens.

2. Are you or have you ever been denied service or coverage?
Never.

3. How long are your wait times for service?
Depends on what specialist you wish to see and whether you live in a metropolitan, regional, rural or remote area. Like many places, Australia is suffering from a doctor shortage for our population. Many new doctors are migrating from countries like South Africa, India and China to meet the needs.
To see a primary care doctor, it could be 1 day - 2 weeks.
To see a specialist it could be 1 day to 12 months wait, depending on what specialty.
Waiting lists for surgery also depend on the type of surgery and location. Basic endoscopy at a public hospital may only have a 4 week wait, but orthopaedic joint replacement might have a 12 month wait. Wait lists are categorised based on patient's current condition and how urgently they need the surgery.
Emergency surgery is just that, emergency and can usually be done within 48 hours.
If you elect to have private health insurance, waiting times at private hospitals are much less. However, you must pay monthly premiums which are costed based on your age, gender, health history, etc.

4. On a scale of 1-10 how would you rank the quality of care?
I think it would be around a 7. Better funding for public hospitals, more beds to shorten waiting lists would improve it.

5. Would you prefer to have a health care system similar to the U.S.?
Not really. I'm moving to the US in 10 days and although I'm a healthy person I do worry.


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RE: Need Help: Research Paper on Non-U.S. Health Care - 6/24/2012 6:46:09 PM   
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Thanks to all who have responded so far. Good info and very consistent.

pgashlie - thanks your response was welcome as you had first hand knowledge and experience with the UK system.

kitkat - sorry to hear you are moving here to the US....you are quite correct to worry about health care here. We may have good doctors and facilities but unless you can afford it, it doesn't mean shit how good it is.


Please keep the replies coming....thanks again!!


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RE: Need Help: Research Paper on Non-U.S. Health Care - 6/24/2012 11:38:24 PM   
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Just going to add a couple of things about the UK system - prescriptions are also free for low wage earners, unemployed and if you are in full time education.

Dentistry is different and does usually cost money, albeit nowhere near as much as private. There was a recent news story about dentists refusing complex dental treatments on the nhs and saying they had to be done privately. They got a lot of criticism over it.

I've never personally been refused treatment though there can be long waiting lists (I joined a waiting list for counselling last October and am finally getting an appointment in just over a weeks time). For a general doctor's appointment I can usually get one relatively quickly (same day), and a hospital appointment tends to happen in 4 to 6 weeks in my experience.

Am I happy with the NHS system? Overall yes, I'm with the better with than without crowd, I have enough to worry about without adding more paperwork to my life too lol.

Rating - 7 out of 10

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RE: Need Help: Research Paper on Non-U.S. Health Care - 6/25/2012 6:32:12 AM   
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Can you use information about the VA system?

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RE: Need Help: Research Paper on Non-U.S. Health Care - 6/25/2012 7:16:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Can you use information about the VA system?


Sorry, no

The purpose of the paper is to compare and contrast the US health care system with foreign universal health care systems.

Seriously, so far, I can't understand why the citizens of the US don't demand congress to get off their ass and push it thru. There are nearly 3/4 of a million people that go medically bankrupt each year in the US. That's just insane!!

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RE: Need Help: Research Paper on Non-U.S. Health Care - 6/25/2012 7:25:05 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

1.Here in Ontario, This is what is NOT covered by tax paid health insurance
http://cnmag.ca/current-issue/74-issue-30/742-ohip-whats-not-covered
Many employers offer supplemental (private) insurance for many of those items. the costs vary. People on benefits get prescriptions and emergency dental and bi yearly glasses paid for. or mostly covered.
2 Nope not in 20 odd years
3 Wait times can vary, depending on the service. Last year I had problems and went to the doc, from there I had three/four ultrasounds, 2 MRIs , a colonoscopy, endoscopy, and surgery the time was just over six months(mostly due to scheduling) but here is the average wait time site that is run by the Gov
http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/programs/waittimes/
4 I'd give it a 8
5 Not in this lifetime

I realise now you wanted UK/Europe answers, but sending it anyway:)
I only have family in the UK , but they are happier with the NHS compared to what the US has.
Both systems(UK and Canada) have problems but Im happier with, than without.

quote:

http://cnmag.ca/current-issue/74-issue-30/742-ohip-whats-not-covered.


Lucy is very cool. I did a slight edit of your first link; the period for your sentence got tangled in and clicking the link brought up a 404. It's fixed above. Hope ye don't mind.

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RE: Need Help: Research Paper on Non-U.S. Health Care - 6/25/2012 8:12:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR

quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Can you use information about the VA system?


Sorry, no

The purpose of the paper is to compare and contrast the US health care system with foreign universal health care systems.

Seriously, so far, I can't understand why the citizens of the US don't demand congress to get off their ass and push it thru. There are nearly 3/4 of a million people that go medically bankrupt each year in the US. That's just insane!!



Just don't get me started. I used to have retirement savings, but I got health insurance instead!

Coverage DOES vary from province to province in Canada, you might want to look into that.

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RE: Need Help: Research Paper on Non-U.S. Health Care - 6/25/2012 2:08:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RemoteUser


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

1.Here in Ontario, This is what is NOT covered by tax paid health insurance
http://cnmag.ca/current-issue/74-issue-30/742-ohip-whats-not-covered
Many employers offer supplemental (private) insurance for many of those items. the costs vary. People on benefits get prescriptions and emergency dental and bi yearly glasses paid for. or mostly covered.
2 Nope not in 20 odd years
3 Wait times can vary, depending on the service. Last year I had problems and went to the doc, from there I had three/four ultrasounds, 2 MRIs , a colonoscopy, endoscopy, and surgery the time was just over six months(mostly due to scheduling) but here is the average wait time site that is run by the Gov
http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/programs/waittimes/
4 I'd give it a 8
5 Not in this lifetime

I realise now you wanted UK/Europe answers, but sending it anyway:)
I only have family in the UK , but they are happier with the NHS compared to what the US has.
Both systems(UK and Canada) have problems but Im happier with, than without.

quote:

http://cnmag.ca/current-issue/74-issue-30/742-ohip-whats-not-covered.


Lucy is very cool. I did a slight edit of your first link; the period for your sentence got tangled in and clicking the link brought up a 404. It's fixed above. Hope ye don't mind.


Thank you for the edit:) I dont mind at all
Lady Hib, it most certainly does vary with every province, and with services and wait times depending on the area too, even within a province, urban areas are far better than remote ones, we do have a shortage of family doctors, , the cities suffer with lack of beds and staffing issues. Too much management and not enough frontline staff,
I consider myself extremely lucky to have been able to schedule my yearly check up, mammogram, chest xray, and ultrasound in one day today and Im happy its over. Im also blessed I dont have a serious condition that relies on problematic therapy.
While I have worked for various aspects of healthcare in the UK and Canada, my personal experience is all I can offer, others do have problems and I cant deny those.

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