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And anecdotal blogs about two people who chose to work part time jobs with no benefits might tug at your heart strings

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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And anecdotal blogs about two people who chose to work part time jobs with no benefits might tug at your heart strings

I gave you statistics first [8|]

Here's the full report, which includes the methodology:

http://familiesusa2.org/assets/pdfs/Dying-for-Coverage.pdf

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

and that problem is solved (as well as a whole host of others) with single-payer,  national healthcare (insofar as it can be solved). 

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

better job than the insurance industry has done with insurance.  better job than you wiping your ass, better job than anyone has done to date, even with the teabaggers and neo-cons borrowing and spending and dragging it down.

Better job than cops do.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
At no point in time is the cause of death lack of insurance. It is not possible for someone to die because they lacked insurance.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
What is the definition of "prematurely?" And, who says it wasn't "their time" to die anyway? Is there some age that we are supposed to get to and if we don't, we die prematurely?

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

What I'd like to know is, what do middle class republicans do if they develop a life threatening pre-existing condition? Do they switch parties and beg Democratic sympathy or do they lay on their deathbeds shouting "Give me liberty or give me death!"


I don't hear citizens of England complaining that they have no freedom. I often wish the US hadn't won against England all those years ago. We'd have both freedom and health care.

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

I don't mean to rain on your parade here... (well, yeah I do) But your source claims that in the state of Indiana

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Working-Age People without Health Insurance Die Sooner
Families USA estimates that nearly nine working-age Hoosiers die each week due
to lack of health insurance (approximately 460 people in 2006).
Between 2000 and 2006, the estimated number of adults between the ages of 25
and 64 in Indiana who died because they did not have health insurance was nearly
3,100. Across the United States, in 2006, twice as many people died from lack of health
insurance as died from homicide.

And, The uninsured pay more for medical care.
Uninsured patients are unable to negotiate the discounts on hospital and doctor
charges that insurance companies do. As a result, uninsured patients are often
charged more than 2.5 times what insured patients are charged for hospital
services.

So that was six years ago... OK I can accept that, but when your source omits this...

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The Healthy Indiana Plan (HIP) is an affordable health insurance program for uninsured adult Hoosiers, created by Governor Daniels and the Indiana General Assembly in 2007. The program is sponsored by the State and only requires minimal monthly contributions from the participant. HIP is for uninsured Hoosiers between the ages of 19-64. It offers full health benefits including hospital services, mental health care, physician services, prescriptions and diagnostic exams.

http://www.in.gov/fssa/hip/index.htm

OMG, is that Mitch Daniels listed as the governor who started this program?

And they most certainly did not contact the St Vincent Medical Group, because I happen to know that ST Vincent offers up to 100% discount on medical bills for the poor and uninsured. https://www.stvincent.org/St-Vincent-Indianapolis/Medical-Services/Cancer-Care/You-Are-Not-Alone/Financial-Assistance.aspx

So I guess what I'm saying is, your source information is shit Lucy, at least as far as Indiana goes, I wonder what other states have programs like the Healthy Indiana Plan, hmm?

Well, it appears that Ohio also has a program for poverty stricken families, so does Kentucky, as does Michigan... But alas, Illinois doesn't that I can find.

One question, which holder of public office comes from Illinois? And which party has the majority in Illinois?
Oh one more question if I may, which state had it's last two governors end up in the federal penitentiary?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
How many of these programs have waiting lists? 2008, the Catholic Charities of Pittsburgh had over 800 people on a waiting list just for dental.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Advocacy group: 26,000 die prematurely without health insurance
A national health care consumer advocacy group estimates that three Americans die every hour as a result of not having health insurance.

What is the definition of "prematurely?"

And, who says it wasn't "their time" to die anyway? Is there some age that we are supposed to get to and if we don't, we die prematurely?

You can cite as many groups, writings, etc. you want. At no point in time is the cause of death lack of insurance. It is not possible for someone to die because they lacked insurance.

This is just another piece of rhetoric used to mobilize without actually stating the facts clearly. Period.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
How many of these programs have waiting lists? 2008, the Catholic Charities of Pittsburgh had over 800 people on a waiting list just for dental.

It looks like there's 52,000 waiting on the ruling on the ACA. The federal government limited the state to 34000 childless adults, but because of the ACA lawsuit, they've only approved 17000. So I'd say it was 52000 minus the 17000 yet approved so, it looks to be 18000 Childless people on the list... It appears that women, and kids get first approval for the program.
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/25508014/detail.html

Don't forget, the HIP also offers low cost insurance plans for those not approved for state medicaid. There are no limits, or wait times for that plan.

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

What I'd like to know is, what do middle class republicans do if they develop a life threatening pre-existing condition? Do they switch parties and beg Democratic sympathy or do they lay on their deathbeds shouting "Give me liberty or give me death!"


I don't hear citizens of England complaining that they have no freedom. I often wish the US hadn't won against England all those years ago. We'd have both freedom and health care.

Or we'd all be speaking German... Just sayin'

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It is not possible for someone to die because they lacked insurance.

You don't think people put off going to the doctor because they can't afford it and when they finally do it's too late for treatment?
http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/20/families-usa-says-26000-die-prematurely-without-health-insurance/?hpt=hp_bn12
...they often don't get preventative care and forgo or delay screenings and necessary medical care.
The report further states that in the past 2 years, uninsured women older than 50 were half as likely as insured women to get mammograms. Low-income uninsured adults were 5 times less likely to get screened for colon cancer in the past 5 years compared to insured adults. Cancer patients without insurance are five times more likely to delay or even skip treatment because of the cost.
In addition, uninsured adults are more often diagnosed with advanced stage disease and they are 25% more likely to die prematurely than those with private insurance....