perverseangelic
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well, i didn't reply to the last one, so i'll take this one on.
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If it were true that a woman was abused and assaulted every 6 seconds as the media suggests our shelters and refuge centers would be on overload capacity which of course is not the case and that is just if there were 10 % who actually reported the crime.
abuse or assault isn't always the kind that puts someone in a shelter. abuse can be a supervisor threatening to fire a woman if she will not sleep with him/her. it can be a boyfriend slapping around his girlfriend. it can be a partner forcing sex on an unwilling woman. it can be someone being verbally harrassed about the size of her breasts. those -are- all asault and abuse based on gender.
note: the same thigns happen to men. as a feminist i find it important to be aware of men's issues too. abuse DOES happen to men, and the men who are abused aren't weak nor do they deserve it, just as the women who are abused.
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The notion that husbands of the 50`s and 60`s were happily oppressing their wives until the feminsts came along in the 70`s is utter nonsense.
you should read The Feminine Mystique. she did the research, and reports it much better than i could.
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If you ask the younger women of today you will see that they are rejecting the hateful nonsense of these againg feminists.
which younger women are you talking to? i think i qualify, here, and so do my fellow university students. i can say with complete assurance i have yet to meet a "younger woman" who has these ideas. and i know LOTS of feminists and non-feminists, even some feminist-haters.
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Did women not go to work when they wanted to back then? Don`t be fooled, life for women is only more pleasant at work and at home today because of the progress in science and technology, it had nothing to do with feminism.
women might not have gone to work because they wanted to, but they also were not given the -choice- If a woman -had- wanted to go to work, and yes, this does happen, before the women's movement, she would not have been able to. or had she been able to work, it would have been as a nurse or secretary or at another woman's job. no, not all women want to work. but now ALL women have the option to work or not to work.
yes, science and technology HAVE made everyone's lives better, i don't think anyone's agruging with you. but that has nothing to do with anything you've said.
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Let us take a look, the streets are less safe for women now than they were 50 years ago. There is more violence against women today.
there's more violence toward EVERYONE. the streets are less safe in general. more violence is not spesifically woman-targeted. also, women are now out in the streets more. they are in places where they are exposed to possible assault. i'm willing to bet you'll say this is a bad thing, but i think that it's a woman's right to be wherever she wishes to be, as long as she is aware of the risks.
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Women are just as overworked now as they ever were. they are less likely to hold on to their marriages. They are less able to afford not to have to work if they are married with children.
yes, women are just as overworked, but they get to chose their kind of overwork. raise kids, keep house vs. have a career and no kids vs have a career and kids vs keep house have no kids vs whatever else they want. i see this as progress.
divorce is rising. why the heck is that the fault of a woman? since when is divorce because a woman "can't hold her man"? i think that's simply faulty thinking.
as for the last bit, i think that's just untrue. sure, it's difficult to stay home and raise your children on one person's income. but people do it all the time. both fathers and mothers stop working in order to be home during their children's formative years. the cost of living has gone up, yes, but this hasn't stopped families from leaving a meember at home with young children. i'm not going to beleive this one unless you can cite me some numbers.
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And new health issues which never existed back then seem to be spouting up for them.
so what? you're going to tell me -this- is feminisms fault? that new diseases have evolved? that we are exposed to more carcinogens and breast cancer rates have gone up. how do you justify that?
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The men of the 50`s and 60`s were brought up to respect women and the message was always being fed through the media the schools and the churches. Today a woman does not get that respect of being the first to get on the lifeboat if the ship is sinking, it`s everybody for themselves. And that`s with every facet of everyday life.
yes, it is, and i say good. women are capable and should be allowed to take care of themselves, for heaven's sake. men were taught to respect women? they were also taught to think of women as flighty, unable to focus, and not capable of thinking for themselves. that's not a kind of respect i value, thanks.
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Deep rooted oppresive behavior expressed by feminists have always had their target to demonise men. Men are caring fathers, men are teachers,
i actually agree with you here. i hate the tendancy of SOME MEMBERS of the womens' movement to demonize men. that's a step backward in my mind. i think we're supposed to be working for equality, not trying to show how evil men can be.
be aware, though, this -isn't- the whole women's movement. it is the veiw of some members.
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men are the courageous ones who will probably save you if no one else will, cause wheter it be the horror of the 9/11 trade center or even someone drowning in a lake, a man will always be the first one to jump in to rescue you.
~sigh~ that's YOUR opinion. and YOUR experience. women are courageous. i promise there were women firefighters and rescue workers at world trade center. there are women lifegaurds, and women heros who risk their lives.
there's no way to oppose this point, though, becasue that is your opinion. if i cite you an example, you'll cite ten more. i'll say that my not being able to find more women rescue people is an example of society as a whole teaching women they cannot be in such places and activly discouraging them, and you'll say that it's because women aren't naturally made to do such work. so. i'm going to leave it at that.
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