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A Place - 10/31/2004 10:02:07 PM   
RiotGirl


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i think an island, or better a country should be created. A compound out in the middle of an exisiting country? Somwhere (over the rainbow), a place were W/we could have O/our own tribe and to live as W/we would live. With O/our own rules, regulations, way of life, ect ect ect. They did it with religion back a few hundred years. Took off to find a place to practice freely.

i think that those of us in the lifestyle should band together and take off to a place where W/we can practice freely.

i wonder, if W/we were able to find a place like this.... what would it be like? If the lifestyle surrounded every day and everything W/we did and everyone W/we met was either Master or slave.

(i know there is alot of fiction portraying it and it went on a few hundred years ago in O/our civilization........ but what would it be like today/real life?)
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RE: A Place - 10/31/2004 10:24:21 PM   
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It would probably be a lot like what we have now. People will be people.

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RE: A Place - 11/1/2004 10:06:41 AM   
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Funny you would compare it with religion, because the folks who went to find their own place were escaping intolerance by other religious folks. BDSM is just the same, with all sorts of "religious" sects under the umbrella, and therefore the same intolerance. But this is probably just a more verbose way of saying the same thing as Estring.

So it sounds like such a place would just be cliquish and boring to me. I'd feel more free by keeping what I do private instead of moving into such a potentially judgemental environment.

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RE: A Place - 11/1/2004 10:17:50 AM   
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People in the lifestyle are more accepting then others but still as you can see in forum we do not all agree on everything. We all still have different desires and ways to do things.

i have to agree with Estring people will be people (no matter how kinky they are)

with people all being so different ( and that is what makes the world go round) there will never be a perfect place on earth.

*grins* JMO
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RE: A Place - 11/4/2004 1:22:21 PM   
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Honestly while i wouldnt mind living closer to a few other into what i like i would not like a community at all. to many diffrent views on how dom and subs should behave. Dont get me worng i have my fantasys of where iw ould like to live but it would never work.

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Utopia is not A Place - 11/4/2004 1:56:05 PM   
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Ah, the old platonic republic rears up from its dusty grave once more. You have the same problem with this "lifestyle island" that you would have with the Republic. Plato suggested that the learned - this is to say philosophers - should be in charge of government. Aside from the fact that ivory tower idealists rarely get anything of value done (an idea that would be shocking to the ancient greeks, who left all matters of a mundane sort to their slaves so that they might be free to fight and learn and play under the mediterranean sun), there was the simple question of how you deal with conflicting philosophies. Plato suggested, in his idealistic zeal, that each school be treated with equal reverence, as each had its own merits, whose strengths could come together through debate and forum, to create a powerful consensus. In theory this means that each philosopher-leader has the same degree of power and luxury, but how can that be, when hedonists and stoics rest under the same roof?

In an idealized scenario, why not have multiple states bound together as a single political entity? You can buy an offshore oil rig for fairly cheap once the well is tapped out, and several people have done so and declaired themselves independant nations. You can build up artificial reefs with some forms of landfill (I understand Japan has been doing this to build an airport. I don't know if it's true or not, however). You can set up a bunch of inter-connected areas as lifestyle ghettoes. Have a comitee of dominants making policy, balanced by a "slaves guild" labor party to watch out for the little guy (life must really suck when your submissives are on strike). You can even set up a tourist island for the folks who want to come and party, but aren't looking for a 24/7 tpe at the moment. We'd be a major tourist attraction - sin cities always are. Of course, we'd have to be seriously strict about the SSC rule, or face some hefty political and economic sanctions, but on the plus side, with the extra income, we could set up a fairly impressive health care policy (which would be nessesary for the general protection of the community, since some folks just can't say no, and some tops really enjoy sharing their property)

Hey - if jose cuervo tequila can declair themselves a nation and demand a seat in the UN, why not us? Perverts of the world, unite!

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RE: Utopia is not A Place - 11/4/2004 2:34:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Suleiman
In theory this means that each philosopher-leader has the same degree of power and luxury, but how can that be, when hedonists and stoics rest under the same roof?

On the other hand, it seems doubtful that one would find many stoics abandoning their native land for Pervertia. What I find more worrisome is the possibility that with so many Dom/mes around, you'd end up with some awfully long ballots. It might be more pleasing to take away their clothes, give them all whips, put them into an arena and let them work it out amongst themselves.

I do think that having a small country which is to perverts what Amsterdam is to pot smokers would be wonderful. Seems like a much more efficient way of supporting a government than being one of those little islands that sells postage stamps and boat registrations. Well, I guess a few x-rated stamps might be fun.

Too bad that Ricardo Montalban and Hervé Villechaize aren't an option.

< Message edited by NoCalOwner -- 11/4/2004 3:00:09 PM >


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