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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 1:07:37 PM

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I don't see how someone who's unmedicated with a mental illness could do something so elaborate and well planned. The schizophrenics I've looked after have a hard enough time attending to personal hygiene and eating... there's no way they could do this.

When my brother has a psychotic break he doesn't lose the ability to take care of himself but rather his thought process breaks from reality. I'm not going to speculate on his ability to plan.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 1:59:33 PM

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I don't see how someone who's unmedicated with a mental illness could do something so elaborate and well planned. The schizophrenics I've looked after have a hard enough time attending to personal hygiene and eating... there's no way they could do this.

Quite.

There may be more to this than what is seen on the surface.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 2:01:53 PM

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I don't see how someone who's unmedicated with a mental illness could do something so elaborate and well planned. The schizophrenics I've looked after have a hard enough time attending to personal hygiene and eating... there's no way they could do this.

Quite.

There may be more to this than what is seen on the surface.

Meaning what, my dear?

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 2:02:59 PM

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Presumably that this idiot lost it and killed a lot of people because he has no foreskin, given who's talking.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 2:05:37 PM

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his mom noticed & wasnt surprised at all when the police told her.

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I'm about to ask a really stupid question,especially in light of high school shootings in our recent history,but just how does an individual get this screwed up in 24 short years ?
Booby trapped apartment,bullet proof vest ,tear gas mask,pails of ammunition,multiple firearms......this wasn't a spontaneous act,this appears to be a considered planned action to murder as many innocents as possible
So I repeat my question....just how does a person get this fucked up?
And how does it go unnoticed by anyone else?
My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.....my concerns are for all of us,we seem to inhabit an increasingly violent society and seem to lack the political will to do anything at all the inhibit the access to the instruments of violence.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 2:10:07 PM

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Firstly; I feel worst for the victims, obviously. They went to a freaking movie theater and had no idea that this would be the outcome.

The unaccountable horror that they have faced will scar all of them - in some way - forever.

Next, I feel awful for the people who were there who didn't get hit. While they're lucky in avoiding a shower of hot lead, they too will be scarred for life if by nothing else than some level of "survivors' guilt".

The mother/parents of the dirtbag perpetrator also has my sympathy this is almost a parents' worst nightmare and I cannnot fathom having to deal with something like this.

Lastly, I don't know (yet) whether or not to feel sorry for the shooter. He may have been mentally ill or he may have been like so many "thrill-seekers" that we've read or heard about in recent years.

If he is the former, I have some sympathy but only a modicum. If he is the latter; may he suffer for the rest of his days (which I hope will be short) for the horror he has perpetrated on innocent lives.

Peace and comfort,

Michael

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stand by for the gun control lobby to jump on this horrible tragedy and use it to their optimum advantage, also.

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And here is where I believe it makes a perfect argument and deterrent for others being armed, trained to shoot, carrying, and stopping the perpetrator before he got so far. With him being the only one armed, it's akin to shooting at fish in a fishbowl. Only equal or greater force could have stopped this.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 2:21:45 PM

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Isn't Colarado a concealed carry state?
Nothing was stopping anybody, if so.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 2:41:46 PM

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Edited.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 2:43:36 PM

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P.S.;

stand by for the gun control lobby to jump on this horrible tragedy and use it to their optimum advantage, also.

MPC

And here is where I believe it makes a perfect argument and deterrent for others being armed, trained to shoot, carrying, and stopping the perpetrator before he got so far. With him being the only one armed, it's akin to shooting at fish in a fishbowl. Only equal or greater force could have stopped this.

I have to admit that I am almost of two minds on this issue. I am going to start another thread to discuss it (stay tuned).

Peace and comfort,

Michael

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 2:53:43 PM

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Yes, the 3 month old baby shot at point blank range should've had a gun too.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 3:26:31 PM

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Yes, the 3 month old baby shot at point blank range should've had a gun too.

Good point. Even unborn babies should be packing weapons. How we get them into the relevant wombs does admittedly present a bit of a problem, but I reckon we have the technology, goddamnit.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 3:30:16 PM

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Yes, all fetuses should get Glocks! And night vision sights, for dark theatres, alleyways, and walk-in freezers.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 4:20:18 PM

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Yes, all fetuses should get Glocks! And night vision sights, for dark theatres, alleyways, and walk-in freezers.

I bet you any foetus that one of Charlton Heston's tadpoles had sired would have had all that, *plus* a tiny, tiny little Kevlar (TM) suit. *And* he'd have had a nano-Humvee waiting and powered-up, all ready at the slightest whiff of trouble from any "punk".

Charlton Heston's foetus wouldn't have pussyfooted.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 4:31:01 PM

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So true. But who would have carried such a prize?

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 4:47:26 PM

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There may be more to this than what is seen on the surface.

Meaning what, my dear?

Since you ask.

The young man appears to be a high IQ person, and I mean very high: 190+, I would guess. If so, he likely is a sociopath and he may have been recruited by a group of similar people, and asked to prove himself by performing this attack as a rite of passage. The political aim of this attack then may have been to divert the attention from other political issues and/or to force law through congress that prohibits citizens to own weapons or particular kinds of (heavy) weapons.

Attacks similar to this one and performed with the same purpose of forcing the citizens to disarm, have occurred throughout the years in various countries, such as for example Australia, England and Belgium.

The historical record shows that when a government disarms its citizens, this is often followed by a genocide on (some part of) the (disarmed) population.

I think you can google all of the above.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 4:56:25 PM

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Seriously Rule?

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 5:23:47 PM

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The historical record shows that when a government disarms its citizens, this is often followed by a genocide on (some part of) the (disarmed) population.

I think you can google all of the above.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's diarrhoea, isn't it, Rule? It's precisely the opposite of what happened here in the UK.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 5:36:47 PM

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From Wikipedia:

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The Dunblane school massacre occurred at Dunblane Primary School in the Scottish town of Dunblane on 13 March 1996. The gunman, 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton, entered the school armed with four handguns, shooting and killing sixteen children and one adult before committing suicide.
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the 1987 Hungerford massacre and the 2010 Cumbria shootings, it remains one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in the history of the United Kingdom.
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Public debate subsequent to these events centred on gun-control laws, including media-driven public petitions calling for a ban on private ownership of handguns and an official enquiry, the Cullen Report. In response to this debate, the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 and the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 were enacted, which effectively made private ownership of handguns illegal in the United Kingdom.

Curiously, in all three of the above cases the gunman committed suicide. Of course one can speculate about that as well: did they have devices implanted in their skull that prompted them to go on their killing sprees?

Most people suffer from a lack of paranoia and will ignore such possibilities. But I don't.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 5:41:38 PM

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That our current social infrastructural here in the US cannot come close to caring for the severely mentally ill *is* a political issue, IMO.

There is no social infrastructure that can reliably detect that any given person is about to flip, or prevent them from flipping. (Or, if there was one, it would be Orwellian beyond imagination.)

Since people can, and will, flip, the only defense that the society has against them is to reduce their ability to cause harm. Gun control is the #1 way of achieving this. If this guy did not have access to a variety of guns, a shitload of ammunition, and a smoke grenade, he would not have been nearly as effective, and we would perhaps be hearing about a couple of people dead and less than 10 injured. That would have hardly made the news. More likely, it would not have happened at all, since gun control eliminates gun culture, and such murderous ways of flipping are extremely rare outside of a gun culture.

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RE: 12 killed, 50 wounded at screening of Batman movie - 7/20/2012 5:42:08 PM

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Most people suffer from a lack of paranoia and will ignore such possibilities. But I don't.

That's because you're a fruitcake, Rule.

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